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Fame gains from pvp battles

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I'm reducing the amount of camp fame that will be gained from pvp battles. First, to clarify how you get camp fame from pvp battles: it comes mostly from internal hits on vehicles with skilled gangers in (whether there are character injuries or not isn't relevant). A resigned car will still yield fame when hit (it would be exploitable otherwise.. resign half your cars at the start). A car with no characters in (or with only low skill characters in) will yield very little. Unconscious characters yield very little even if high skill. The existing calculations for fame gain in these situations were made in a different time - when pvp battles were very rare, and when a camp having high fame didn't directly impact its enemies. In addition, hex tiles now give your camp strategy points, so to leave the fame gain calcs unchanged would be too much. Finally, the numbers are simply too high: left as-is, a single combat where a skilled ganger or two took a number of internal hits would give enough fame gain to effectively win the whole war (since the camp would get such a fame boost that they'd field massive CR for the next few weeks). I'll continue to monitor the calculations, of course, and adjust later if necessary. What I'm trying to achieve is a balance between "hex" victories and "damage" victories -- both of which should be considered partial victory conditions. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 9:59 am Last edited Jun 17, 2020, 10:14 am by *sam*

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 so the trick would be to field a bunch of small cars with only 1 weapon each and put new recruits in. This way the opponent would never gain much fame from taking these cars out. Am I understanding this correctly? ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 11:18 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Grimm Sykes said: so the trick would be to field a bunch of small cars with only 1 weapon each and put new recruits in. This way the opponent would never gain much fame from taking these cars out. Am I understanding this correctly? That would work, yes. The opponent would, however, win every battle and claim every tile. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 1:35 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 So vault going to lose fame for probably a crap ton of fame they got for killing one buccy? (and no blue text : good to know). ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 2:08 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *sam* said: Grimm Sykes said: so the trick would be to field a bunch of small cars with only 1 weapon each and put new recruits in. This way the opponent would never gain much fame from taking these cars out. Am I understanding this correctly? That would work, yes. The opponent would, however, win every battle and claim every tile. Well we are going to find out about that. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 2:26 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Joel Autobaun said: So vault going to lose fame for probably a crap ton of fame they got for killing one buccy? (and no blue text : good to know). Can you give me the event ID? I'll check it. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 2:38 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: So vault going to lose fame for probably a crap ton of fame they got for killing one buccy? (and no blue text : good to know). Can you give me the event ID? I'll check it. I think it was s1035382. The camp`s fame dropped by 74 due to the combat between CDLS and The Red Menace. In addition, its production boosts dropped by 74% That fame drop exceeded embassy's loss as well which just floors me.  One buccy lost no blue text. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 2:49 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Yep that seems wildly out of whack. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 5:11 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Joel Autobaun said: *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: So vault going to lose fame for probably a crap ton of fame they got for killing one buccy? (and no blue text : good to know). Can you give me the event ID? I'll check it. I think it was s1035382. The camp`s fame dropped by 74 due to the combat between CDLS and The Red Menace. In addition, its production boosts dropped by 74% That fame drop exceeded embassy's loss as well which just floors me.  One buccy lost no blue text. Fame isn't gained from blue text, it's from internal damage. The way it works is, you gain a lot more from causing damage than the amount the enemy loses. So in the case of the recent Embassy battle, they managed to claw back a lot of what they would have lost, through the internals they managed to score in response. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 5:26 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: So vault going to lose fame for probably a crap ton of fame they got for killing one buccy? (and no blue text : good to know). Can you give me the event ID? I'll check it. I think it was s1035382. The camp`s fame dropped by 74 due to the combat between CDLS and The Red Menace. In addition, its production boosts dropped by 74% That fame drop exceeded embassy's loss as well which just floors me.  One buccy lost no blue text. Fame isn't gained from blue text, it's from internal damage. The way it works is, you gain a lot more from causing damage than the amount the enemy loses. So in the case of the recent Embassy battle, they managed to claw back a lot of what they would have lost, through the internals they managed to score in response. I get that (now). They barely scored internals comparatively. Mostly i am guessing the vault got some very good bonuses for wreaking a buccy and its engine. Since kingdom of longo lost 85% of its bonus...i wonder if vault should. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 8:54 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Joel Autobaun said: Since kingdom of longo lost 85% of its bonus...i wonder if vault should. Yeah, that's fair enough. It's no where near the same magnitude of course (we're talking 17x as much in the Embassy battle). ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 8:59 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: Since kingdom of longo lost 85% of its bonus...i wonder if vault should. Yeah, that's fair enough. It's no where near the same magnitude of course (we're talking 17x as much in the Embassy battle). to be fair we have won every battle we have competed in. We should be rolling in fame. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 9:03 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *goat starer* said: *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: Since kingdom of longo lost 85% of its bonus...i wonder if vault should. Yeah, that's fair enough. It's no where near the same magnitude of course (we're talking 17x as much in the Embassy battle). to be fair we have won every battle we have competed in. We should be rolling in fame. You should have exactly how much fame the system(new one now) should give. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 9:08 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *goat starer* said: *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: Since kingdom of longo lost 85% of its bonus...i wonder if vault should. Yeah, that's fair enough. It's no where near the same magnitude of course (we're talking 17x as much in the Embassy battle). to be fair we have won every battle we have competed in. We should be rolling in fame. By the power invested in me, as Head of the Church of Longo, I do give you(and your allies) the ability to hire 8 new gangers...unless you have already filled them since the battle The Red Menace Vs Camp David Strategic Ops Event ID    S1032487 ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 9:12 pm Last edited Jun 17, 2020, 9:13 pm by *Longo*

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Longo* said: *goat starer* said: *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: Since kingdom of longo lost 85% of its bonus...i wonder if vault should. Yeah, that's fair enough. It's no where near the same magnitude of course (we're talking 17x as much in the Embassy battle). to be fair we have won every battle we have competed in. We should be rolling in fame. By the power invested in me, as Head of the Church of Longo, I do give you(and your allies) the ability to hire 8 new gangers...unless you have already filled them since the battle The Red Menace Vs Camp David Strategic Ops Event ID    S1032487 ah yes... one of the many we won. You Americans have never really understood war with communists :-) ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 9:17 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Quote: ah yes... one of the many we won. You Americans have never really understood war with communists :-) Unfortunately they will over the next few years. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 17, 2020, 9:33 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Not sure if this is already implemented...but scouting from camp is yielding really pathetic... umm PVE camp fame gains. like 1 fame lol ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 18, 2020, 3:24 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,215 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: Not sure if this is already implemented...but scouting from camp is yielding really pathetic... umm PVE camp fame gains.  like 1 fame lol This has never really given out any decent gains. Scouting towards camp is where the bigger gains can be earned. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jun 18, 2020, 6:26 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *The X Man* said: Joel Autobaun said: Not sure if this is already implemented...but scouting from camp is yielding really pathetic... umm PVE camp fame gains.  like 1 fame lol This has never really given out any decent gains. Scouting towards camp is where the bigger gains can be earned. No X, there is an issue. I scouted twice towards camp And got 2 and 1 ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jun 18, 2020, 7:06 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,215 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 I just tested it as well. Scouted towards camp S1040633, 14 reds and only 6 points of fame. That is not good considering 2 days ago, S1040028 with 17 reds and got 31 fame. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jun 18, 2020, 7:28 am

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