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Not everyone loves you

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I'm just dealing with the exploit whereby you can buy favour with all factions so that they all love you, meaning you can truce your way through all encounters. My previous suggestion (not implemented) wasn't a good one. The root problem is that it's possible for all factions to love you, so that's what I'm now changing. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 11:06 am

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Oct 29, 2015, 11:24 am

Tallus Fatalis Foedi Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 *Bigspenner* said: Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. Until you look at how ISIS sells its oil in Syria/Iraq. That said, there is also the issue that there are not enough combat-active Mercs and Civilians, so the best bet is to be friends with the bad guys, and figure at least the Civvie encounters are at gates, so you can take all the cars. ......................... vet wv ped2 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 1:47 pm Last edited Oct 29, 2015, 1:51 pm by Tallus

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 If a town has a bounty on someone, they should see bounty hunters. not just town militia blocking their return. I've always felt this needed fixed, Bounty Hunters should do their jobs. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 2:42 pm Last edited Oct 29, 2015, 2:43 pm by Grimm Sykes

Racing Robbie The White Ashes Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: Jul 3, 2012 Agreed - Bounty Hunters should work a bit like slavers, tough encounters but only when you have a bounty on your head Sam - will this change work so that if you are a member of one faction there will always be factions that dislike because of your membership? And how will it work if you are a Renegade? Thanks ......................... vet wv northernsummer e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 slay2013 pvp3 ww pvp1 semiprocombat0,1,0 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 3:01 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Tallus said: *Bigspenner* said: Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. Until you look at how ISIS sells its oil in Syria/Iraq. but they dont sell ther oil to the hare krishnas, americans, kurds or me. was that supposed to illustrate some point?  ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 4:48 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,212 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Grimm Sykes said: If a town has a bounty on someone, they should see bounty hunters. not just town militia blocking their return. I've always felt this needed fixed, Bounty Hunters should do their jobs. Good point, this should be looked into further. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 4:48 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Grimm Sykes said: If a town has a bounty on someone, they should see bounty hunters. not just town militia blocking their return. I've always felt this needed fixed, Bounty Hunters should do their jobs. and they should be open for PVP in that town. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 4:49 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,212 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Racing Robbie said: Agreed - Bounty Hunters should work a bit like slavers, tough encounters but only when you have a bounty on your head Sam - will this change work so that if you are a member of one faction there will always be factions that dislike because of your membership? And how will it work if you are a Renegade? Thanks All of your "in-game" actions will affect your faction reps regardless of your alignment. You continue to attack traders, Civs and Merchants will start to hate you while muties will start to like you. Change and reverse your targeted attacks, the reps will flow back like a teeter totter. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 4:55 pm Last edited Oct 29, 2015, 4:59 pm by *The X Man*

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Racing Robbie said: Agreed - Bounty Hunters should work a bit like slavers, tough encounters but only when you have a bounty on your head Sam - will this change work so that if you are a member of one faction there will always be factions that dislike because of your membership? And how will it work if you are a Renegade? Thanks This change is not specifically related to faction membership at all, it's only related to faction reputations. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 5:11 pm

Tallus Fatalis Foedi Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Do these changes nerf Mind Control as well? goat starer said: Tallus said: *Bigspenner* said: Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. Until you look at how ISIS sells its oil in Syria/Iraq. but they dont sell ther oil to the hare krishnas, americans, kurds or me. was that supposed to illustrate some point?  Well, Syria and Northern Iraq are getting about as close as you can manage to a Darkwind world.  But commerce still begets strange bedfellows. Actually, sounds like they do sell it to some Kurds, and their rival militias: the trick is that they figure anything downstream that they own will get bombed by precision munitions, but the pumps and wells are bad targets.  Therefore they basically maintain a neutral zone around the area where they sell their crude, and they sell to all comers, whether they like them or not. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/6c269c4e-5ace-11e4-b449-00144feab7de.html#axzz3pytQDJt5 And, in turn, the Israelis are buying most of their oil from Northern Iraq's Kurds to ensure they get hard currency....  Interesting question how much of that oil came originally from ISIS controlled fields. *The X Man* said: All of your "in-game" actions will affect your faction reps regardless of your alignment. You continue to attack traders, Civs and Merchants will start to hate you while muties will start to like you. Change and reverse your targeted attacks, the reps will flow back like a teeter totter. But we're talking about a 9-sided teeter totter... Part of the point to rep balancing was that you could slowly increase rep by 'tweeking' things around the circle -- the issue being that, if you were willing to spend the time, you could reliably increase rep across the board with a fairly simple distribution of attacks.  (and you could buy back the Civs and Merchants favor by delivering the goods.) I have to say, given the ISIS example above, I have a hard time understanding why people are so exercised about this kind of rep balancing -- it seems 'realistic' and not at all unheard of historically..  But who am I to appeal to reality?   ......................... vet wv ped2 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 5:58 pm Last edited Oct 29, 2015, 6:32 pm by Tallus

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 And yet.. Even if all that rubbish were true they ARE ALL STILL SHOOTING One another... Which was always the point.... That relationships of convenience do not equate to mythical pirate codes, friendships or honour among thieves. In the DW world that neutral space is Texan.. Step outside and you will be fair game. But it is also nonsense and media babble... Equating selling to middle men who then sell on to those places with selling to them directly. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 9:46 pm Last edited Oct 29, 2015, 9:53 pm by goat starer

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,212 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Tallus said: *The X Man* said: All of your "in-game" actions will affect your faction reps regardless of your alignment. You continue to attack traders, Civs and Merchants will start to hate you while muties will start to like you. Change and reverse your targeted attacks, the reps will flow back like a teeter totter. But we're talking about a 9-sided teeter totter... Part of the point to rep balancing was that you could slowly increase rep by 'tweeking' things around the circle -- the issue being that, if you were willing to spend the time, you could reliably increase rep across the board with a fairly simple distribution of attacks.  (and you could buy back the Civs and Merchants favor by delivering the goods.) I have to say, given the ISIS example above, I have a hard time understanding why people are so exercised about this kind of rep balancing -- it seems 'realistic' and not at all unheard of historically..  But who am I to appeal to reality? Tallus, If someone put a hit on your Gang Leader and killed him, you would be at a point of seeking revenging and annihilating their gang. If that same gang hauled a few packages to another town for you or ambushed a different gang, who you do not like, and raided their shipment.... that is supposed to make you start liking them??? A Big No. You are still gonna want to shoot their gang leader in the head the next time your gangs paths cross. You need to be held accountable for your in-game actions. If you red out a gang, expect retaliation. If you want safe travel, you should never fire a weapon at anyone so the NPCs know you are not a threat and maybe they let you go by without incident. Good luck on that lasting for more than one travel. Remember, DW is not Candyland where all the gumdrops like all the sweet tarts and hang out over at the gingerbread man's house. Eventually someone is not going to like you because you helped the jellybeans and you're gonna get poked in the eye with a couple pixie stix. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Oct 29, 2015, 10:48 pm Last edited Oct 29, 2015, 10:49 pm by *The X Man*

Tallus Fatalis Foedi Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Per Machiavelli, it's ok to be hated, as long as you're feared. Which actually gets to one of my issues with the game -- at some point bloody encounters should breed discretion rather than a vengeful death-wish. And, of course, relatedly, successful pirates (e.g. Blackbeard) tended to be good businessmen and fairly casualty averse. ......................... vet wv ped2 Posted Oct 30, 2015, 12:01 am Last edited Oct 30, 2015, 12:02 am by Tallus

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Tallus said: Per Machiavelli, it's ok to be hated, as long as you're feared. Which actually gets to one of my issues with the game -- at some point bloody encounters should breed discretion rather than a vengeful death-wish. And, of course, relatedly, successful pirates (e.g. Blackbeard) tended to be good businessmen and fairly casualty averse. And for every one of those there should be a rampaging bunch of suicide bombers who really don't care. or a bunch of revolutionaries who will throw themselves at your tanks bare handed... Whether bloody retribution breeds further attacks or caution depends on the motivations of the enemy... Their ideology and beliefs... What they have to lose etc You seem to be picking random one off examples to support a rather unclear point without looking at the breadth of human society and conflict. Oh... And Teach fought to his death in his final battle and showed fairly scant regard for his crew... When cornered he announced he would give no quarte and expected none and then fired a broadside into the two navy sloops that had cornered him.... He marooned several of his crew... Stripped his comrades ships... Attacked well armed merchantmen in his sloops... Continued his piracy after being pardoned. Not very casualty averse. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 30, 2015, 12:31 am Last edited Oct 30, 2015, 12:49 am by goat starer

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 Tallus said: *Bigspenner* said: Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. Until you look at how ISIS sells its oil in Syria/Iraq. That said, there is also the issue that there are not enough combat-active Mercs and Civilians, so the best bet is to be friends with the bad guys, and figure at least the Civvie encounters are at gates, so you can take all the cars. This is the mosy idioitic simlificatiin I have ever seen what a load of tripe. even if it had real world validity in that that Iisis has in someway made peace with every faction imaginable which is boollll shooock, that is irellevent to the game world we are discussing and that sam is trying to create. Basically complete boo lokks by someone who has no real job or life is my guess. and infutiture talk aboutbthe game world not yor stupid half baked biews of what a terrorist organisation do without any real idea how u=it really works you halfwit. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Oct 30, 2015, 1:26 am

RotaryJunkie Foul Play Sunday Driver Morgan Faction Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: Aug 31, 2014 Very... Interesting results from this. Woke up exceedingly late (8:45pm EST or so), heard about it, checked reps, showed Hated by Civs, scorned by raiders/reds, still high on mutant/slaver reps, think was around disliked with merchants. 5-10 minutes later without any in game action whatsoever, I went up to neutral with merchants, disliked by Civs, mutant/slaver rep dropped, reds/raider rep improved. So I have literally no idea how it's going to shake out now. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 30, 2015, 1:48 am

Tallus Fatalis Foedi Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 *Bigspenner* said: Tallus said: *Bigspenner* said: Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. Until you look at how ISIS sells its oil in Syria/Iraq. That said, there is also the issue that there are not enough combat-active Mercs and Civilians, so the best bet is to be friends with the bad guys, and figure at least the Civvie encounters are at gates, so you can take all the cars. This is the mosy idioitic simlificatiin I have ever seen what a load of tripe. even if it had real world validity in that that Iisis has in someway made peace with every faction imaginable which is boollll shooock, that is irellevent to the game world we are discussing and that sam is trying to create. Basically complete boo lokks by someone who has no real job or life is my guess. and infutiture talk aboutbthe game world not yor stupid half baked biews of what a terrorist organisation do without any real idea how u=it really works you halfwit. <3.  Delighted. The point is not that ISIS is well liked -- hardly - but rather that its enemies seem to be in a position where the have to buy its oil, whether they like it or not.  The more pertinent point to this discussion may be that the liked/hated probably shouldn't be the main variable determining whether there is a truce. ......................... vet wv ped2 Posted Oct 30, 2015, 2:20 am Last edited Oct 30, 2015, 2:35 am by Tallus

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 *Bigspenner* said: Tallus said: *Bigspenner* said: Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. Until you look at how ISIS sells its oil in Syria/Iraq. That said, there is also the issue that there are not enough combat-active Mercs and Civilians, so the best bet is to be friends with the bad guys, and figure at least the Civvie encounters are at gates, so you can take all the cars. This is the mosy idioitic simlificatiin I have ever seen what a load of tripe. even if it had real world validity in that that Iisis has in someway made peace with every faction imaginable which is boollll shooock, that is irellevent to the game world we are discussing and that sam is trying to create. Basically complete boo lokks by someone who has no real job or life is my guess. and infutiture talk aboutbthe game world not yor stupid half baked biews of what a terrorist organisation do without any real idea how u=it really works you halfwit.   Name calling how official sounding  i ask you as an equal retract your personal attacks on fellow players Mr *Spenner*  thank you and have a good day    *Boon* ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Oct 30, 2015, 6:13 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Tallus said: *Bigspenner* said: Tallus said: *Bigspenner* said: Smashing, it does seem an odd thing to happen. Until you look at how ISIS sells its oil in Syria/Iraq. That said, there is also the issue that there are not enough combat-active Mercs and Civilians, so the best bet is to be friends with the bad guys, and figure at least the Civvie encounters are at gates, so you can take all the cars. This is the mosy idioitic simlificatiin I have ever seen what a load of tripe. even if it had real world validity in that that Iisis has in someway made peace with every faction imaginable which is boollll shooock, that is irellevent to the game world we are discussing and that sam is trying to create. Basically complete boo lokks by someone who has no real job or life is my guess. and infutiture talk aboutbthe game world not yor stupid half baked biews of what a terrorist organisation do without any real idea how u=it really works you halfwit. <3.  Delighted. The point is not that ISIS is well liked -- hardly - but rather that its enemies seem to be in a position where the have to buy its oil, whether they like it or not.  The more pertinent point to this discussion may be that the liked/hated probably shouldn't be the main variable determining whether there is a truce. But... As already pointed out.. Even if this were true (which it isn't) all those people still shoot isis at the first opportunity. So they hardly have good faction relations... And in the context of the whole point of this discussion they would, given the opportunity, kill them and steal from them rather than pay them and all have a nice cup of tea. Halfwit sounds a little generous. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 30, 2015, 8:02 am Last edited Oct 30, 2015, 8:03 am by goat starer

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