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Rigged SCL Match

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 SCL 5 match between Me and Flame vs Juan. ( Coup D-Etat vs Hemp Growers Association 2015-01-25 03:30 2015-01-24 19:30 0 - 0 S715431 ) I say Juan because I am Juandering how the match was a draw. Our squad was set and we were in the event ready to set our vehicles in the spawn circle when the event suddenly ended. Juan was in the event, I was in the event, and as soon as Flame joined, the event closed saying there was a truce negotiated. Our team did not negotiate anything, we were there to fight. The event closed 30 seconds later. After getting back to the main lobby, I looked for Juan to ask how the event truced, but he was no longer on. We, from what I can tell, earned one point for the match. We were in the event to fight, we did not truce and should have received 3 points for a forfeit win. If someone could enlighten me to how this happened, I would appreciate it. Otherwise, this stinks of corruption. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 4:06 am Last edited Jan 25, 2015, 4:08 am by *The X Man*

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 I figured you saw everything i typed in the chat, and were ignoring me. I said in event chat: I apologize, but I can't do this right now. I have family stuff I need to deal with. Is there a way we can end this quick without me surrendering? Then I paused to allow for time for a response. After not getting any, I selected surrender, which gave me option to truce or pay bounty, etc just like any other PVP event. I paid the bounty and left. The solution was simple and i didn't have time to sit around wait to talk about it any longer. my gang activity log shows this quite clearly, and Sam's detailed log of the event will show i said what i claimed to. S715431 2015-01-25 03:33:28 Paid $136201 to Hot Trax This is only my second time trying out SCL, I figured you would know more about how it works then I do, you're a marshal who's done SCL for years. I am learning that the scoring system doesn't seem to work very well. I've pointed this out in a few threads already this season, I don't think it's viewed as a big issue with this few of players. I haven't be able to make many events this season, my teammates never want to contribute, and most the time i end up without enough gangers of the prerequisite skill limitations. My latest hire was 144 gunnery, he doesn't qualify for DIV V. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 7:17 am Last edited Jan 25, 2015, 7:27 am by Grimm Sykes

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 That explains a good portion of the issue. We were in team chat mode and that doesn't show any of your chat, hence, what seemed as ignoring. There also would have been the option to PM me or Flame directly since we were both in the lobby 20 minutes before the match was to start. That would have given us enough time to reschedule. The part that bothers me is if you surrendered, we would have won by forfeit and should have received 3 points instead of 1. I have no problem with you not being able to do the event. I know personally how family things take priority over DW. My issue, knowing what happened, is getting shorted on points. I don't expect anything to be done to adjust scores either. I would hope that this scoring issue can be resolved for future matches. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 7:42 am

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 At least you got a point at all. I had a match my first season (I forget who it was against but it was an Alley member and I felt some trickery had occurred but it hadn't) and the opponent never showed up for the match and I did. He got 3 points and I got zero. never did sort out what caused that and Sam didn't reply to PMs to fix or reset it. Not that it mattered since I did quite poorly that season. I won every match in which a glitch/bug didn't hamstring the event. Which is to say 1/3 of the events... ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 8:21 am

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 re-read what i typed, i stated that i paid a bounty, not surrender. See the part about the amount paid? as for chatting before the event, i had forgotten about it and was in the other room. I excused myself for a few minutes when i heard the head announcing a event was starting, and realised what it was. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 9:38 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Interesting situation. Should you be able to pay a bounty and call it a draw when you walk away? I agree with X, that this should not be possible. Pay the bounty and keep your cars, sure (well, maybe. Thats for further debate with the amounts), but you should still lose IMO. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 10:38 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *Bastille* said: Interesting situation. Should you be able to pay a bounty and call it a draw when you walk away? I agree with X, that this should not be possible. Pay the bounty and keep your cars, sure (well, maybe. Thats for further debate with the amounts), but you should still lose IMO. In a PVP intercept, this is exactly how it plays out. But in any league play, this action would be considered a forfeit. Paying a bounty is the same thing as surrendering, just a different way to say I quit. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 10:56 am

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 it was my understanding that you get 1 point for having cars in the squad, 1 point for showing up, and 1 point for winning. By my calculations, my SCL points went up only 2 points, 1 for showing and 1 for being ready, i didn't get a third point. So I didn't get any points for the forfeit/truce/bounty, or whatever word you want to use. If I did something I wasn't supposed to do, I can't tell, the game allowed me to do it. Therefore that's HOW THE GAME WORKS.  Blaming Juan for everything isn't going to get the points system for SCL changed. Is it written someplace that it works differently then it currently is? Please post that link. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 4:35 pm Last edited Jan 25, 2015, 4:38 pm by Grimm Sykes

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 I just did the calculations, anyone can score a minimum of 14 points per season, just by showing up and trucing every match. I really don't see how this is any different then avoiding a camp defense by trucing it. I'll say what I been told over and over. if you don't like it, don't play. A better suggestion would be; If you don't like it, make a better strategy to deal with it. I'm American, I've become quite good at surviving in a broken system. Often, by accident. You're suggestion that if someone shows up and doesn't play, that's cheating. I find it a bit offensive for you to throw such a asinine accusation out there. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 4:46 pm Last edited Jan 25, 2015, 4:55 pm by Grimm Sykes

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Pretty sure you should only get 1 point for truceing out. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 7:29 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 So post a bug report and cross your fingers. I didn't do anything to make it give me extra points. If you think it did, then it's a bug, not my problem, not my fault. Squirrel who run up woman's leg not find nuts, your barking up the wrong tree. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 8:09 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: Pretty sure you should only get 1 point for truceing out. That is how it should be. It is the same as a loss. What does not make sense is if this makes us the "winning team", we should have received 3 points, not 1. But then again Juan, why join a league that requires participation and you show up for the battle just to pay a bounty?? Throwing out the "Prior Family Commitment" card is acceptable, but you had more than enough time to contact our team before the match to try and reschedule. Also, stop riding the fence post on "How The Game Works". It gets old after while. DW is a lot more fun when you play it the way is was meant to be. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 10:51 pm

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 I dont believe it makes sense in this scenario to think of you as the "winning" team. The battle never took place so really neither side won or loss. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 25, 2015, 11:29 pm

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 *The X Man* said: Throwing out the "Prior Family Commitment" card is acceptable, but you had more than enough time to contact our team before the match to try and reschedule. don't put words in my mouth, especially not when what i said is on the same page. I never said i had a prior commitment. A family dispute over a sum of $1600 is hardly a prior commitment. Grimm Sykes said: I have family stuff I need to deal with. I also stated that i've had a problem cause my teammates won't show up to help. Really man, this is the sort of disrespect i been talking about. Saying i am saying things that I am not, when anyone who can read can see the difference, and the thing of showing you really aren't reading, your just bitching and tossing out replies, that in this case, don't really seem to apply much. Also the disrepect of people saying that twist words, make false accusations, go off half ####ed, throwing a fit if i don't get my way, etc... all of which happened in this thread, but not by me... ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 25, 2015, 11:30 pm Last edited Jan 25, 2015, 11:33 pm by Grimm Sykes

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 blah blah blah. Yeah PM sam to fix it. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 28, 2015, 12:08 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 For SCL truce and bounty shouldn't be an option. No need to get in a hissy-fit if it's not going to affect ranking. Just saying ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Jan 29, 2015, 4:54 am

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 it should just be the same as surrender. ahhh, miss scl, dammit. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Jan 29, 2015, 5:14 am

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 if you and I agree not to fight, that's a draw, a truce, no one surrenders. I really don't see how so many people are getting the two things confused. If it's a option, then I'm allowed to use it. Are you all trying to tell me that in all the years this game has been here, I'm the first person to pay a bounty to get out of a SCL match? here's an analogy... X-Man always uses a crosswalk to get across the street. I jay-walk and get across the street faster. He starts whining about how I must have cheated since I crossed the street sooner then he did. Perfect analogy, cause one's just as silly as the other to complain about. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 30, 2015, 3:04 pm Last edited Jan 30, 2015, 3:05 pm by Grimm Sykes

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Grimm Sykes said: if you and I agree not to fight, that's a draw, a truce, no one surrenders. I really don't see how so many people are getting the two things confused. If it's a option, then I'm allowed to use it. Are you all trying to tell me that in all the years this game has been here, I'm the first person to pay a bounty to get out of a SCL match? here's an analogy... X-Man always uses a crosswalk to get across the street. I jay-walk and get across the street faster. He starts whining about how I must have cheated since I crossed the street sooner then he did. Perfect analogy, cause one's just as silly as the other to complain about. This is the part why I made the rigged comment. Neither Flame or myself agreed to a bounty. Flame was the team lead. He didn't have any chance to agree to any bounty in the event because the event closed as soon as he entered. So a forced bounty is not a truce, its a surrender and a loss. The event is done, I am past this because it is what it is and it won't get adjusted, nor do I expect it to. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jan 30, 2015, 9:11 pm Last edited Jan 30, 2015, 9:11 pm by *The X Man*

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 comon man your a marshal at least ask sam to fix this busted fkin truce code(which was always bull####) ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 31, 2015, 12:14 am

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