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Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Joel Autobaun said: Logan Kurtiss said: I have also already written up my scoldingly negative review on Steam of this game and most of my negativity is the lack of expectation that anything will ever get fixed and the trolls. Oh yea?  Well then nothing to lose... You are weak.  This game is not for you.  You are the classic old bitter gamer who cannot have FUN, who is constantly in search of a new game to WORK on and never PLAY. You can never go backwards...never suffer a loss and you think you are so smart you can take on the hardest part of the game inside a month of starting and have the right to bitch when it blows up in your face. You do sound like Juan, you sound like you want the solo scouting in BL even easier so you can make endless millions to some meaningless end.  Its about having fun, Sam usually refunds crap you lost because of a bug he hasn't fixed yet.  The rest you eat and roleplay the loss.  YES PLAY the game super nerd. For the 4th time, I was NOT scouting, and just cause I am already leaving does not make your trolling any less of an offense than if I was staying and once again, you hurt your rep not with me, but with other people already playing here that read this forum... You are another Troll, congratz. And I don't care if I sound like someone else. Nor do I expect anything to be easier... I expect the way the game plays to be fair and debugged and it is neither, but again, all stuff I've already said that you clearly couldn't be bothered to read. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:59 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 goat starer said: Logan Kurtiss said: Ragnak said: Well if one was to go by the response of those on this board then I do believe Logan you have proven your point of trolls. Some of the responses have been out of line but the norm for those who have posted. Darkwind is like every other game and game forum where you will always see the like. Overall, I would hope that the maturity level was a bit higher here, and my experience is that it used to be that way, however this thread seems to going in the opposite direction. Darkwind is both challenging and punishing. I expect that in a game which is an open sandbox and thus allows a player to roam wherever. I can start a new squad wherever I can get a guy to and start scouting on the fly. This blurs the line between a challenge versus a punishment and it is up to the player to know the difference. The player has the responsibility in this game to manage their risks. Does the game identify and prepare you for how the danger levels increase as you go South? No, it doesn't and this should be seriously looked at as an area to improve upon. That said, in the end, a player should be asking themselves if they are prepared for the endeavors they are taking on. Should this be the end of your time in Darkwind then I feel the community will suffer a loss. In the times I have been on and read the comments in the client, you have always tried to be friendly and useful to all players. You have tried to help the game when you could and that is what all of us should be trying to do. Rags Sorry, but I am so gone... done playing.. Done spending a dime here... And the reactions on this thread are the kick in the ass that has helped me out the door.. You can thank your community members for helping seal the fate that I will no longer be playing. I have also already written up my scoldingly negative review on Steam of this game and most of my negativity is the lack of expectation that anything will ever get fixed and the trolls. bless you... you join a game... immediately start running around trying to play the most difficult bits with inadequate gangers, inadequate experience and inadequate patience. This is clearly not the game for you. and ragnak.. If you cant spot a rather unpleasant troll when you see one you should refrain from comment. This is a thread started by someone with nothing constructive or positive to say... who reacted with nothing positive to the first comments and frankly earned the 'Juan' label JS gave him. The game will be much the richer for losing another kid with no ida of how turn based games work and no patience to play the game at the level he is at. Yea but he doesnt let up...cant wait to find his steam review, hes so effin done. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 12:59 am

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Joel Autobaun said: Logan Kurtiss said: Crazy AL said: Well, hopefully you keep an eye out on this post whether you actually post or not because I believe I'll be able to offer you some constructive criticism like you attempted to do for DW. I am older than you and my gaming history is much like yours. I have been playing games on the internet since they were text based MUDs all the way up through every popular MMO and highly rated single player game that I've been able to get my hands on and have the time to play so I hope (if you're still checking this post) that you at least respect my opinion like I've respected yours. The fact that you were scouting in BL is extremely suspect to me like it was to others reading this post. I am willing to acknowledge you have a high degree of gaming expertise, but I am not willing to admit you have gangers of any skill, nor a scout that has any business being in the southern triangle unless you're running single vehicle cargo runs with a fast car. As you can see to the left, I've been playing this game for a little while and I've played and STILL play Car Wars with my weekly gaming buddies. *I* still find BL challenging with a my best scout who has a 250+ scouting skill. That you would even try BL scouting with the skill level of your gangers was your first mistake. Most of what you described that went wrong that wasn't bug related sounds like a lousy skilled scout. Many, if not all will agree with me concerning BL and it's unfortunate that your prior gaming experience was actually somewhat of a detriment to your experience here in DW. I appreciate the fact that you posted your grievances rather than leaving without saying anything. Hopefully your comments will contribute to a better overall experience here for the players who stay. 1st.. I was not scouting in the badlands.. I was traveling in an unarmed ride from GW to BL. Second, I still play MU*s sometimes as they have a level of RP and detail you can't find anyplace else (yet). Wow... u are complaining about it being too hard travelling in an unarmed ride.  You are getting some major blow back on your steam review.  You have earned and enemy for life there. I'm not playing here, so I don't care if you wanna be my enemy, and I didn't complain about it being hard.. I complain at it being brutally unfair and punishing... and travelling in an unarmed ride is exactly what veterans suggested every time traveling gets mentioned because unarmed ride is lighter, faster, and has a lower CR so should attract less opposition, and my issue is not how many I faced but that there was NO way to avoid being blown to snot. I know, it's the scouting skill.. .All about the scouting skill... It shouldn't be... As stated in the video link I gave that you clearly didn't watch because you don't get what or where my complaints are, if a game is inconsistant in it's rules or poses situations on a player that there is nothing they can do to deal with, no way to get out of and hurts them, that is punishing, not challenging.... I want a challenge... I don't want to be abused. And as far as never going back? You have NO F-ing clue what you are talking about because I regularly go back and play good games... I still dust off the original X-Com at times and it's BRUTALLY challenging but not punishing... I have games that date back to before the PC that I still have machines to play them on. I do go back and play good games all the time, so your flames once again go unfounded and are libelous. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:04 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 it might be! You might have done it all when you were asleep. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:04 am

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Grimm Sykes said: JS said: Logan Kurtiss said: goat starer said: You have clearly been playing another game old bean. I don't know what the lobby is like in your time zone but it is civil and helpful when I am on. Having played the game for 7 years I see no game breaking bugs. This game is the best car wars reimagining around and most of the older players are hardcore Car wars players who found the game through jimmys site and stayed. The game has a steep learning curve but becomes if anything rather easy. That said it is a game that requires patience, creativity, teamwork, tactics, role play and a tough hide to get the most out of it. If that isn't you... And lots of people find it isnt, then it's not the game for you. You list  several trait requirements that just support my claim that this is punishing... and I've experienced more than one game breaking bug, as well as events that stack the odds so against me that only pure luck will save anything, and the enemy are already in firing range when it starts. Yeah, I know.. The veteran answer to this is, "Well, you got ambushed" but that's BS... That's the game trying to create no-win situations and I don't believe in nor do I enjoy playing no win situations... and it's not a high learning curve.. It's actually kinda easy... It's that there is no apparent difficulty curve that fits new players so the answer again, often given by veterans is to tell new players that for months, they should just train their gangers, stick to in town events and only go out when their hand is being held by a veteran, which is NOT what I am looking for in a game. And teamwork?.. If I can't play a game solo and I must depend on others to get anything done, I am also not interested. Finally, I been flamed repeatedly.. I mention a bug in the lobby within my first few days and everyone there assumes I'm a moron and starts telling me how to do exactly what I am telling them does not work and is bugged, claiming left and right that it's not a problem becasuse they are not experiencing, so I message Sam Directly with no response or aknowledgement, so eventually I just posted it to the forum with a video to demonstrate the bug and low and behold Sam finds the problem really quick once it's actually shown that I am not out of F-ing mind and found a REAL bug. That's a lobby full of fanboy trolls, and what's worse, one of them I will not name even asked me to make a video to prove one of my points and then accused me of trying to pad my viewer count when I created just such a video on twitch for them to see and they refused to watch it.... There is nothing supportive, or friendly about all that... And what's more, the person, again unnamed that has demanding I need their help and they want to help noobs is one of the biggest jerks I've run into. There are a few cool people I've met... Most are not, and it only takes a couple trolls in a chatroom not being kept in check by moderators or marshals as they call them on here to make a whole chatroom very UNINVITING. Hello Juan. Do you ever tire of this? Can't be me, I never asked anyone to make a video, and no one requested I watch one. Nope.. Not you and I thought I was pretty clear that two people I was referencing but not naming were two different people, but since you had to show up, and voice your objection to that being you, I will finger you as the pirate that doesn't believe in copyright laws and told me point blank you steal almost every game you play. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:06 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 1:07 am by Logan Kurtiss

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Logan Kurtiss said: Joel Autobaun said: Logan Kurtiss said: Crazy AL said: Well, hopefully you keep an eye out on this post whether you actually post or not because I believe I'll be able to offer you some constructive criticism like you attempted to do for DW. I am older than you and my gaming history is much like yours. I have been playing games on the internet since they were text based MUDs all the way up through every popular MMO and highly rated single player game that I've been able to get my hands on and have the time to play so I hope (if you're still checking this post) that you at least respect my opinion like I've respected yours. The fact that you were scouting in BL is extremely suspect to me like it was to others reading this post. I am willing to acknowledge you have a high degree of gaming expertise, but I am not willing to admit you have gangers of any skill, nor a scout that has any business being in the southern triangle unless you're running single vehicle cargo runs with a fast car. As you can see to the left, I've been playing this game for a little while and I've played and STILL play Car Wars with my weekly gaming buddies. *I* still find BL challenging with a my best scout who has a 250+ scouting skill. That you would even try BL scouting with the skill level of your gangers was your first mistake. Most of what you described that went wrong that wasn't bug related sounds like a lousy skilled scout. Many, if not all will agree with me concerning BL and it's unfortunate that your prior gaming experience was actually somewhat of a detriment to your experience here in DW. I appreciate the fact that you posted your grievances rather than leaving without saying anything. Hopefully your comments will contribute to a better overall experience here for the players who stay. 1st.. I was not scouting in the badlands.. I was traveling in an unarmed ride from GW to BL. Second, I still play MU*s sometimes as they have a level of RP and detail you can't find anyplace else (yet). Wow... u are complaining about it being too hard travelling in an unarmed ride.  You are getting some major blow back on your steam review.  You have earned and enemy for life there. I'm not playing here, so I don't care if you wanna be my enemy, and I didn't complain about it being hard.. I complain at it being brutally unfair and punishing... and travelling in an unarmed ride is exactly what veterans suggested every time traveling gets mentioned because unarmed ride is lighter, faster, and has a lower CR so should attract less opposition, and my issue is not how many I faced but that there was NO way to avoid being blown to snot. I know, it's the scouting skill.. .All about the scouting skill... It shouldn't be... As stated in the video link I gave that you clearly didn't watch because you don't get what or where my complaints are, if a game is inconsistant in it's rules or poses situations on a player that there is nothing they can do to deal with, no way to get out of and hurts them, that is punishing, not challenging.... I want a challenge... I don't want to be abused. And as far as never going back? You have NO F-ing clue what you are talking about because I regularly go back and play good games... I still dust off the original X-Com at times and it's BRUTALLY challenging but not punishing... I have games that date back to before the PC that I still have machines to play them on. I do go back and play good games all the time, so your flames once again go unfounded and are libelous. its NOT all about the scouting skill. Its about a combination of the scouting skill, map, vehicle, enemy fame etc... and you maxed out loads of those factors by choosing to drive around in an unarmed car without a scout in the south. When vets tell you to do that they tell you to do it in the north... not start taxi runs to firelight. That said.. most vets will survive in a 0 scout unarmed car because they know how to use tricks, tactics and terrain to beat even close ambushes. If i do that and fail (and it happens) i think... GOOD.. the game can still beat me if i dont show it respect. That is a good game... a challenging game... and please... did you just pull the "ooh a naughty troll libelled me!" line? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:08 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 1:11 am by goat starer

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 goat starer said: its NOT all about the scouting skill. Its about a combination of the scouting skill, map, vehicle, enemy fame etc... and you maxed out loads of those factors by choosing to drive around in an unarmed car without a scout in the south. When vets tell you to do that they tell you to do it in the north... not start taxi runs to firelight. That said.. most vets will survive in a 0 scout unarmed car because they know how to use tricks, tactics and terrain to beat even close ambushes. If i do that and fail (and it happens) i think... GOOD.. the game can still beat me if i dont show it respect. That is a good game... a challenging game... Okay, smarty pants, why don't you tell me what I could done HERE: S672470? And after I already proved my ability to get out of between a rock and a hardplace here: S672501. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:11 am

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 The game should be providing clues and info on when a noob can branch out and what to expect. The game does fail in this regard. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:11 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Just gtfoutta here ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:14 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Logan Kurtiss said: goat starer said: its NOT all about the scouting skill. Its about a combination of the scouting skill, map, vehicle, enemy fame etc... and you maxed out loads of those factors by choosing to drive around in an unarmed car without a scout in the south. When vets tell you to do that they tell you to do it in the north... not start taxi runs to firelight. That said.. most vets will survive in a 0 scout unarmed car because they know how to use tricks, tactics and terrain to beat even close ambushes. If i do that and fail (and it happens) i think... GOOD.. the game can still beat me if i dont show it respect. That is a good game... a challenging game... Okay, smarty pants, why don't you tell me what I could done HERE: S672470? And after I already proved my ability to get out of between a rock and a hardplace here: S672501. when you turned left you should have continued right round the large hill rather than jinking right and heading into the broken ground... you should than have made it to the edge of the canyon... slowed to 20mph.... dropped off and run away... DADA! oh you didnt. did you get these the wring way round? driving off cliffs at 70mph with an exposed engine aint exactly clever is it. your drivig is completely erratic... ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:14 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 1:18 am by goat starer

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Ragnak said: The game should be providing clues and info on when a noob can branch out and what to expect. The game does fail in this regard. I don't even mind the lack of clues... What I cannot tolerate in a game, ever, is a no win situation.. That's always my rage quit moment, is when a game poses me with a situation that is suddenly way out of the scope of everything else I've faced and gives me zero chance of getting out of it... I been killed in no win situations, most of them caused by bugs repeatedly in this game. Yesterday was the last straw. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:15 am

Logan Kurtiss Crash Clowns Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 goat starer said: Logan Kurtiss said: goat starer said: its NOT all about the scouting skill. Its about a combination of the scouting skill, map, vehicle, enemy fame etc... and you maxed out loads of those factors by choosing to drive around in an unarmed car without a scout in the south. When vets tell you to do that they tell you to do it in the north... not start taxi runs to firelight. That said.. most vets will survive in a 0 scout unarmed car because they know how to use tricks, tactics and terrain to beat even close ambushes. If i do that and fail (and it happens) i think... GOOD.. the game can still beat me if i dont show it respect. That is a good game... a challenging game... Okay, smarty pants, why don't you tell me what I could done HERE: S672470? And after I already proved my ability to get out of between a rock and a hardplace here: S672501. when you turned left you should have continued right round the large hill rather than jinking right and heading into the broken ground... you should than have made it to the edge of the canyon... slowed to 20mph.... dropped off and run away... DADA! im actualy amazed you lost that one. I have no idea what map you are talking about cause I didn't see any canyons on that map... The map I saw canyons on is the one I got away and I did EXACTLY what you suggest.... And that car that shot me was going to shoot me no matter where I went and I didn't start to straighten out till he was already hitting me... and my hope was to make it over the hill and put that between me and him, whereas if I'd stayed right, he would just come around the hill behind me and kept shooting me, for more turns that he would have if I'd made it 1 more turn and gotten over that hill. ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:17 am

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Can't believe I took the time to insert a reasonable reply into this mess. Mindless rage is okay, but if the personal attacks continue this thread will be locked. Because, you know, decency. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:18 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 1:18 am by *JeeTeeOh*

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 Good thing you hadnt faced the slavers from an SS scout then.... ......................... vet wv Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:18 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Logan Kurtiss said: goat starer said: Logan Kurtiss said: goat starer said: its NOT all about the scouting skill. Its about a combination of the scouting skill, map, vehicle, enemy fame etc... and you maxed out loads of those factors by choosing to drive around in an unarmed car without a scout in the south. When vets tell you to do that they tell you to do it in the north... not start taxi runs to firelight. That said.. most vets will survive in a 0 scout unarmed car because they know how to use tricks, tactics and terrain to beat even close ambushes. If i do that and fail (and it happens) i think... GOOD.. the game can still beat me if i dont show it respect. That is a good game... a challenging game... Okay, smarty pants, why don't you tell me what I could done HERE: S672470? And after I already proved my ability to get out of between a rock and a hardplace here: S672501. when you turned left you should have continued right round the large hill rather than jinking right and heading into the broken ground... you should than have made it to the edge of the canyon... slowed to 20mph.... dropped off and run away... DADA! im actualy amazed you lost that one. I have no idea what map you are talking about cause I didn't see any canyons on that map... The map I saw canyons on is the one I got away and I did EXACTLY what you suggest.... And that car that shot me was going to shoot me no matter where I went and I didn't start to straighten out till he was already hitting me... and my hope was to make it over the hill and put that between me and him, whereas if I'd stayed right, he would just come around the hill behind me and kept shooting me, for more turns that he would have if I'd made it 1 more turn and gotten over that hill. you put the numbers the wrong way round old bean... on the other one... straight over into the dried up river bed... and you are away. you lost loads of speed turining exposing your side to the voyager... voys will outrun.. you needed to put a terrain feature in the way. neighet of these were anything like the most challenging ambushes you can expect. If these seemed hard this is definitely the wrong game. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:22 am

Grimm Sykes Sand xbzyas Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Banned Posts: 1,372 Joined: Mar 14, 2010 Logan Kurtiss said: If the person I am complaining to actually listens, they would find most of my complaints are constructive criticism and not flaming or trolling... Careful, I've found that a lot of people here can't follow a subject if it has more then 2 sentences. Also try to keep it less then 5 words per sentence and less then 9 letters per word, or else they get confused and think your saying the exact opposite of what you are. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp4 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:22 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 omg the TEARS.... this game is harder than that dos game XCOM....waaaaaaa Xcom - Hide behind stuff and shoot shoot shoot until u get missile launcher... game ends quickly thereafter. (Its called the RGM in our game) ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:24 am Last edited Oct 3, 2014, 1:24 am by Joel Autobaun

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 or what about going left under the bridge? that looks like a pretty safe bet as well. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:24 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 and best of all i would suggest that the very last thing you should have done was turn your 6 point damaged side armour to be the side the enemy behind would hit... that was foolish. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:26 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 This u logan? Synthorange Tan Teck Weng ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Oct 3, 2014, 1:26 am

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