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Get rid of maxed-out skills!, a really unneeded feature

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: I think it should be a case of a gradual slowing in training.  Long before reaching the "training at a trickle... say .00000000001 per encounter" stage, an observant gang owner would notice that this guy was taking one or two encounters to gain a point in scouting, then 2 or 3 encounters, then 4 or 5 encounters, then 6 to 10 encounters, etc. This is already the case, maybe no-one is observant then,  Quote: I'm not sure how complex that would be, but maybe it would help people in Zoth's situation to have the gang leader have a general idea of how good a ganger can be at something. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he misjudges someone... Judgment could change over time... That's a really nice idea. Also: I have already decided to use Hero Points to help training. Marrkos/Zothen: applying this proposed change to existing characters would be easy, yes. I'd be generating new data for each character anyway (i.e. multiple cap values) so making them properly generated rather than all the same as the current cap value would be easy. I'll try to get to this stuff in the next few days. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 11:29 am Last edited Jun 11, 2009, 11:35 am by *sam*

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 wow my 99* skilled scout with one eye could still have a chance then, i still use her on a regular basis for BL runs , seems like i may have to be more of a hero ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Jun 11, 2009, 11:42 am Last edited Jun 11, 2009, 11:43 am by *Grograt*

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,023 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 just another nerf or will my leader whose maxed at 254 with multiple skills over 220 and 100 be busted down lower? god i hope not already takes 7 scouts to get 1 point and no its not right imo if thats gunna happen might as well just tell me to leave. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 11:56 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 yes darth, I saw this as an opportunity to nerf the top players again. You have cleverly caught me out and realised that my whole intention in spending 30 hours a week over a 4 year period in developing the game is to beat down the high achievers. I don't care about good gameplay or balance or long-term challenge, I just want to nerf! ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 12:01 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,023 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 how did it go from remove caps to get to ok now well change it for everyone making it possibly lower yeah if you spend all the time to get a gang high skilled youd bitch too now they coulda maxed at 254 now lets stop at 80 lol thanks great patch i think doc has right idea ill try to stay out of forums have fun nerfing people ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 12:08 pm

wounded Blackwater CarPark Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 159 Joined: May 9, 2009 But some skills will inevitably be capped higher than they would have been. There'll still be great talents to be found you just have to change they way you look for them. If this is combined with some feedback about the things a character is supposed to be talented in, this could be a great addition to the game! ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 11, 2009, 12:18 pm

Jester The Panthers Racer Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 123 Joined: Jun 14, 2008 darthspanky said: how did it go from remove caps to get to ok now well change it for everyone making it possibly lower yeah if you spend all the time to get a gang high skilled youd bitch too now they coulda maxed at 254 now lets stop at 80 lol thanks great patch i think doc has right idea ill try to stay out of forums have fun nerfing people Hey Darth Don't take this the wrong way, but is the "." key broken on your keyboard?  The lack of it's use makes it very difficult to read what you have to say. ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 11, 2009, 12:44 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: how did it go from remove caps to get to ok now well change it for everyone making it possibly lower yeah Removing caps is a non-runner. Not a good idea; it's clear that most others here agree with that too. What I could do though is give each player the option of having their current characters keep their current cap for each skill, rather than applying the new system to them. Yours can be unaffected by the change then darth, if that's your preference. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:03 pm Last edited Jun 11, 2009, 1:10 pm by *sam*

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,665 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Sorry Sam, I just think this is a bad idea. Im also disappointed to see it implemented rather than discussed in the Rules Council. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:30 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Why is it a bad idea to have different skill caps on each skill? The reason I don't think the RC needs to discuss it is because the average cap will remain as it currently is, and only 'top talent' will still be capable of very high caps. There won't be a sudden flood of uber-characters, if that's your concern. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:33 pm Last edited Jun 11, 2009, 1:35 pm by *sam*

wounded Blackwater CarPark Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 159 Joined: May 9, 2009 Are you planning to group the talents? E.g. Talented driver will also be a talented trucker, talented gunner will be talented with heavy guns as well? ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:43 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,665 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *sam* said: Why is it a bad idea to have different skill caps on each skill? The reason I don't think the RC needs to discuss it is because the average cap will remain as it currently is, and only 'top talent' will still be capable of very high caps. There won't be a sudden flood of uber-characters, if that's your concern. I guess it just wasnt explained well enough, therefore my dissent. How will it affect my current guys? My leader is currently at 334 lg guns unmaxed, does this mean that the scout skill that I have been slowly but surely working up on him will no longer potentially be high capped? ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:52 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,605 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Longo - he told Darth it can affect the current guys or not - your choice. Unless I'm reading it wrong, it won't decrease the cap on anyone, but I could be mistaken, but again - you have the option to pass on this for your current char's. As for the RC - I'm on it and I'm a firm believer in Sam being the developer and he is not required to run anything by the RC. It is a good place to get feedback, summarize feedback, etc., but it's not up to us to make the rules or the changes, only Sam. JL ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:06 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Are you planning to group the talents? Yes Quote: How will it affect my current guys? Not at all, if that's your preference. As I said to darth: What I could do though is give each player the option of having their current characters keep their current cap for each skill, rather than applying the new system to them. Each player would have this choice. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:06 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,665 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying Sam. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:12 pm

Dr Mathias Wasteland Extravaganza Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors + IP Posts: 1,418 Joined: Oct 9, 2007 I actually kind of like having the same cap level across skills, when I have a guy cap at 121 for example, I know I can switch his training to something else when he hits 100. Am I reading this right- if a guy caps at 79 for example, his next skill cap could be above or below that? So you could spend time training in a new skill, only to discover that it caps at 95? ......................... vet combat1 ped1 wv cont Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:23 pm

*Toecutter* Toecutters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 945 Joined: Oct 31, 2006 *jimmylogan* said: As for the RC - I'm on it and I'm a firm believer in Sam being the developer and he is not required to run anything by the RC. It is a good place to get feedback, summarize feedback, etc., but it's not up to us to make the rules or the changes, only Sam. I think that puts it rather nicely.... ......................... marshal vet race1 elmsautumn wv Posted Jun 11, 2009, 2:54 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Unless I'm reading it wrong, it won't decrease the cap on anyone, It could, yes. Any existing characters that this is run on could have caps increased or decreased (although not too far, their baseline 'ability for excellence' will still be an over-riding factor). ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 3:26 pm Last edited Jun 11, 2009, 3:26 pm by *sam*

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,605 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 If a current char is maxed (lets say 74 in mech, as I have one) then the change COULD change his max to 84, letting him train more, or drop it to 69. If the latter, would his CURRENT skill drop too? ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 4:05 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: If the latter, would his CURRENT skill drop too? Oh maaaan, no. I'd be lynched.  ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 11, 2009, 4:15 pm

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