Should every item/chassis be allowed in DW:Tactical? (26 Votes)
Yes	65.38% - 17 votes
No	34.62% - 9 votes

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Should every item/chassis be allowed in DW:Tactical?

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 There are some permutations of this, but the poll question is the crux of the issue. ......................... vet wv community Posted Mar 29, 2009, 6:56 pm

*Lugal* Luna Sea Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 2,246 Joined: Jan 27, 2008 I'm torn on this issue, as there are pros and cons either way. Right now I'm leaning towards including all, but I'm not sure that's best. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Mar 29, 2009, 7:09 pm

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Lugal said: I'm torn on this issue, as there are pros and cons either way. As am I. I voted to make all items available, because even a compromise where the event builder has to have the item in order to use it in the event falls in the 'all items available' category. To be clear, I don't care for that specific compromise because it puts some of the usability of DW:T into DW, and I think that limits its effectivity in bringing in players who don't want to play DW. ......................... vet wv community Posted Mar 29, 2009, 7:17 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 i voted no but maybe we could use what we already have in our weapon or car stocks. you want to use a 5lv8 laser moray in bl you need to own one in bl to use it in tactical. kinda like unlocking weapons and cars for dw tactical by finding and owning one ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Mar 29, 2009, 7:50 pm

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 darthspanky said: i voted no but maybe we could use what we already have in our weapon or car stocks. you want to use a 5lv8 laser moray in bl you need to own one in bl to use it in tactical. kinda like unlocking weapons and cars for dw tactical by finding and owning one So, in point of fact, you do want all items to be available, you just want some limits on how they are made available. Personally, I don't think using any portion of Tactical should require playing the gang-management/role playing aspects of DW, but that's just me. ......................... vet wv community Posted Mar 29, 2009, 8:00 pm

hallen Riotous Assembly Autodueller Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Aug 16, 2007 I voted yes, though I am a little bit torn on it too. Though I was left wondering as to who exactly can play DW:T? If non subscribers can, then I am wondering exactly how that helps the game grow - in terms of investment for Sam and growth of the player base......though I am sure there would be a certain amount of wow thats really cool - now I want to get that car to drive in the wild. Though it could work the other way too, oh damn its too hard to think about. ......................... vet combat1 wv gateautumn Posted Mar 29, 2009, 8:02 pm

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 *hallen* said: Though I was left wondering as to who exactly can play DW:T? My understanding is that anybody who registers can play. ......................... vet wv community Posted Mar 29, 2009, 8:13 pm

4saken The 4saken Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,282 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 i don't see any problem with having all engines and chassis available. no one is ever going to go "i can use a buzzer chassis in DW:T so therefore i don't want one in the campaign game". and certainly being able to go a little faster but only with a car in the tactical is no big player thrill. at the same time, i don't want to see it become a laser/rgm fest either. but i really don't think that's likely to happen. people use such things in the campaign game for different reasons. having everything available allows us to do things like "assault on the mortar lorry" that we never would get to do in-game. we can be the pirates! yarr! / on an somewhat unrelated note: i would also like to see experimental weapons and chassis available as well. and items! w00t! we need to try some items! // also i think only subscribers should be able to create DW:T games. ......................... vet combatL1 wv1,0,0 Posted Mar 30, 2009, 8:11 am

*JD_Basher* Gearjammers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,728 Joined: Feb 11, 2007 DW/Tactical should NOT have the 'rare' items included IMO. This different 'theatre' should be "whetting the appetite" for a prospective Subscriber/player. These are PERFECT venues to show new players the game nuances AND also allows Veteran players the PvP aspect the community has been asking for, ie: Level battlefields. Let them see that the rare weapons are available to use but not in this version of Darkwind. Have a short prompt saying that the weapons they selected is not available for use in (Darkwind:Tactical). Or just have the weapons 'greyed-out' and not accessible. Just some thoughts. JD ------------ edit: Just one more thought..... IF the Player MAKING the 'Tactical' event has some of the rare weapons or chassis, he can 'share' the use of the weapons and cars in his own garage for THAT single event. They can build enemy and ally cars with the 'rare' stores he has gained in other encounters. JD ......................... vet marshal wv cont Posted Mar 30, 2009, 9:06 am Last edited Mar 30, 2009, 9:23 am by JD_Basher

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 I voted " yes " souly because i would like to create scenarios where all vehicles and weapons are available, if it is considered none new user friendly couldnt a way of restricting usage for non subscribers be implemented just as in owning vehicles ( subscribe now try out that buzzer, then go in the wilds and try and capture one for your gang etc ) I dont think it should relate to main DW in anyway, including using players own garages ( how would we share templates that way ) that would still only allow the older vets with the rare and virtually unobtainable weapons / chassis to Invest In DW:T ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Mar 30, 2009, 9:57 am Last edited Mar 30, 2009, 10:00 am by *Grograt*

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Like most people I have been somewhat at odds with myself with which way to vote, but upon reflection I have voted yes and here's why. I don't think being able to use a particular item in DWT will render said item less valuable/sought after in DW. I don't really see how a full DWT would diminish the fun of finding and capturing a rare vehicle/weapon in DW (well not for me anyway). Because of these points I don't feel that already being an owner of said rarity will be diminished either. I think a full DWT offers the best possible background for those wishing to create scenarios and even possibly re-enactments of 'famous' wilderness encounters. I also think it will offer a great taster for the main game too. With all that said, I would think it is however appropriate for access to DWT to be restricted for non-subs, after all most non-sub players are new players and the massive choices available could very well act as a put off as much as a teaser. To what level it would be restricted I must admit to being unsure - perhaps have some set 'training/taster' scenarios that they can access and that is all. My apologies for the long post. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 30, 2009, 6:29 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: With all that said, I would think it is however appropriate for access to DWT to be restricted for non-subs, after all most non-sub players are new players and the massive choices available could very well act as a put off as much as a teaser. To what level it would be restricted I must admit to being unsure - perhaps have some set 'training/taster' scenarios that they can access and that is all. My apologies for the long post. I haven't yet considered exactly how much of DW:T should be available to non-subscribers. At the moment they can do anything that subscribers can. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Mar 30, 2009, 6:51 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Even though I've not tried DW:T yet, I voted Yes just now. And I disagree with having the "real" garage affect T in ANY way. That defeats the whole purpose... I also agree with the discussion of limiting non-sub usage, but I'm not sure exactly how yet. Perhaps have subscribers be able to setup the event, much like non-subs can't setup a scout? Or have a limited set of events that can be slightly modified by non-subs? JL ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Mar 30, 2009, 8:07 pm

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 It's an editor, a sandbox, and it's for fun! It doesn't affect balance. Keep the e-peen measuring to the real game. At least let people toy around with stuff in a Builder! We can do some really cool stuff and really interesting scenarios with full access! I vote yes! ......................... vet Posted Mar 31, 2009, 12:51 am

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 Marrkos said: Personally, I don't think using any portion of Tactical should require playing the gang-management/role playing aspects of DW, but that's just me. I'm in 100% agreement. ......................... vet Posted Mar 31, 2009, 12:55 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Looks like strong agreement... I'll leave the vote active for another few days before a final decision however. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Mar 31, 2009, 8:20 am

Flaming savage Mirrored Pain Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,788 Joined: Jan 21, 2007 I tihnk everything vechile and weps should be allowed to give new players a chance to learn what weps go with what chassias. ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp2 combatL1 Posted Mar 31, 2009, 4:32 pm

lordbam Nephilim Rising Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,410 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Jansan said: It's an editor, a sandbox, and it's for fun! It doesn't affect balance. Keep the e-peen measuring to the real game. At least let people toy around with stuff in a Builder! We can do some really cool stuff and really interesting scenarios with full access! I vote yes!  Agreed nothing is more fun then building an uber rare firetruck and trying it out..... It might even motivate you to pursue your dream and loot one.... ......................... vet wv zom0,3,0 Posted Mar 31, 2009, 5:01 pm

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 lordbam said: Jansan said: It's an editor, a sandbox, and it's for fun! It doesn't affect balance. Keep the e-peen measuring to the real game. At least let people toy around with stuff in a Builder! We can do some really cool stuff and really interesting scenarios with full access! I vote yes!  Agreed nothing is more fun then building an uber rare firetruck and trying it out..... It might even motivate you to pursue your dream and loot one.... Exactly. That's like the dictionary definition of a win-win situation. ......................... vet Posted Mar 31, 2009, 7:13 pm

*Diablo Vash* Initial Drift Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 548 Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Yes. Why limit it, it's just a fun little custom tool for players to explorer other parts of the game. It would be like limiting the Custom Event feature to only having basic cars and limited tracks. From what i see it's a great little feature to let players set up little battles to test themself or let them make exciting battles for other players to enjoy. As long as gangs cannot profit from this i see no problem with letting the feature give the person every possible option. ......................... vet raceL1 marshal wv Posted Apr 3, 2009, 1:02 pm

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