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Weapons changes

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Following recent player suggestions, I'm proposing to make the following changes. I just wanted to make sure most of you agreed, first: MML - increase magazine to 15 shots CR - reduce bulk to 35 HCR - reduce bulk to 70 RGM - increase damage, also increase magazine size to 3 ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 30, 2008, 2:26 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I will also be re-rigging the boxvan's collision mesh, ASAP, to see if that improves its problems. As you probably noticed, I have made it more common with various NPC configs being added, in order to take advantage of its awesome new textures. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 30, 2008, 2:29 pm

Parduz BroadRausters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: Feb 5, 2008 Nice! Thanks also to look at the Boxed, Sam. ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 2:36 pm Last edited Jun 30, 2008, 2:47 pm by Parduz

Black Mamba Mambas Maniacs Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 23, 2006 Those changes look great Sam! Thanks ......................... vet deathrce1 ped1 paintball wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 2:44 pm

Valiance The Vanguards Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Storytellers Posts: 1,171 Joined: Jan 15, 2008 Those look awesome changes, Sam, and really useful. I would like to petition for the RGM to increase to a clip of 4 or 5 (I'm thinking of it as being the car equivalent of the crossbow), but would be happy to see the damage levels first. Could you also confirm, once and for all, that the RGM uses Heavy Weapons skill (this is especially important because sniper skill would be so useful with it, and that's not a specialism available for Heavy Weapons Specialists) ......................... vet combat1 wv ped1 northernsummer Posted Jun 30, 2008, 2:57 pm

Dr Mathias Wasteland Extravaganza Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors + IP Posts: 1,418 Joined: Oct 9, 2007 I think those changes are good, I'd go on the conservative side, as you have done, to start with. ......................... vet combat1 ped1 wv cont Posted Jun 30, 2008, 3:38 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Could you also confirm, once and for all, that the RGM uses Heavy Weapons skill Yes, those sorts of details are available here: Weapon Types ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 30, 2008, 4:45 pm

*Fourhand* The Flying Hellfish Autodueller Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 366 Joined: Jan 1, 2008 Valiance said: Those look awesome changes, Sam, and really useful. I would like to petition for the RGM to increase to a clip of 4 or 5 (I'm thinking of it as being the car equivalent of the crossbow), but would be happy to see the damage levels first. Could you also confirm, once and for all, that the RGM uses Heavy Weapons skill (this is especially important because sniper skill would be so useful with it, and that's not a specialism available for Heavy Weapons Specialists) 3 Should be fine on the RGM. Let's see how destructive it is now and how the usage of it changes since the modification before we go changing it some more. ......................... vet marshal raceL1 wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 5:40 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 I concur Sam. JL ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Jun 30, 2008, 5:48 pm

Crix Makin Knights Of Cydonia Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: May 22, 2008 *sam* said: Following recent player suggestions, I'm proposing to make the following changes. I just wanted to make sure most of you agreed, first: MML - increase magazine to 15 shots CR - reduce bulk to 35 HCR - reduce bulk to 70 RGM - increase damage, also increase magazine size to 3 MML - yes. CR - yes. HCR - never used one, but probably yes. RGM - no idea. ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 6:05 pm

Valiance The Vanguards Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Storytellers Posts: 1,171 Joined: Jan 15, 2008 I have one further petition to make, which is around the utility of mounted spikes/rams. I have no issue with having to replace them after every ram - this seems fair for the cheapness etc. However, in my experience, they are usually shot to pieces before you get close enough to ram. I wonder it it is possible to make these 2 pieces of kit less susceptible to weapons fire, so they are more effective. I don't think this is hijacking the thread; apologies if it is. ......................... vet combat1 wv ped1 northernsummer Posted Jun 30, 2008, 6:07 pm

*Lugal* Luna Sea Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 2,246 Joined: Jan 27, 2008 All sound good! ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 6:20 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 OK, the changes I listed are now live. Any other opinions on Valiance's idea about rams/spikes? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 30, 2008, 9:00 pm Last edited Jun 30, 2008, 9:00 pm by *sam*

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 I agree with Valiance. Spikes should be more difficult to get damaged from fired weapons. ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 9:04 pm

Nekojin Cats Laughing Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors Posts: 1,039 Joined: Jan 19, 2008 Me too. Spikes/Rams are hardened, reinforced metal. A few bullet holes aren't going to do much to their overall integrity. ......................... vet deathrceL1 wv cont Posted Jun 30, 2008, 9:11 pm Last edited Jun 30, 2008, 9:11 pm by Nekojin

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 But I don't think Ram should get invulnerable to bullets, they would quickly become a cheat. BTW, spikes should simply let the bullets pass through most of the time, in fact. ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 9:21 pm

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 MML - increase magazine to 15 shots Needed, but I wish there was some other way to make it more unique rather than just upping the ammo CR - reduce bulk to 35 HCR - reduce bulk to 70 Good, though I'm not sure it'll change anything significantly. RGM - increase damage, also increase magazine size to 3 I always saw RGMs more as a DR weapon, like spikes/mines which aren't that useful in the wilderness since the AI will mostly evade them. For DRs the RGMs were already decent (though a bit heavy) so I'm not sure what that would do for the balance there... Spikes/Rams: I think they should be damage-able as they're one of the few 'consumable' items since they're only usually good for one scout. Some form of bigger-bulk rams that can take more hits / do more damage might be in order though. ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted Jun 30, 2008, 9:47 pm

Parduz BroadRausters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: Feb 5, 2008 About mounted spikes: theoretically, hitting them from the front arc should be harder than hitting a ped....while they can take some damage from bullets coming from their side. Big blasts (rockets, mortars, ATGs and CC) should be the one that make the spikes like a nice iron decoration 'cause the blast hit the whole spikes area....if this have a meaning in english. Dunno if the game can support this complexity. ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 10:09 pm

pweelg Canis Lupus Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 741 Joined: Aug 19, 2007 Think spikes should ignore minor damage from smaller weps but should still be damaged by heavier damaging weps...eg cc, atg ......................... vet combatL1 raceL1 wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 10:17 pm

ISHOULDCOCO COCO and the BURPERS Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Storytellers Posts: 1,440 Joined: Jul 5, 2007 Totally agree with all changes ! I have dismissed the HCR for a long time and called the CR a missed opportunity ! I was (literally) just about to change my Antag to HMG/MMG because of the space saving  -  5 more bullets and a magazine and 4  more to go to my fuel tank. Nice to see ammo mags have reduced in size correspondingly But I think any new or changes in weapon  should differentiate or add to the game Weapon features have be discussed before, just dont go to CW type extemes COCO ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 30, 2008, 10:19 pm

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