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Scripts v.193, combat AI

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 This patch adds the improved combat driving AI that I have been working on. There are numerous areas I have worked on.. the ones I can remember are: * Improved pathfinding in cluttered environments * Improved collision avoidance, especially cliffs * NPC cars will now chase and shoot at pedestrians * In wilderness combats, NPC cars work more as a team, so they don't all target the same car. Also they attempt to apply some "common sense" so a slow car is less likely to chase after a fast car, etc. * They should 'change their mind' less often, but more so when they decide a particular chase isn't working out. * They specifically check for a situation where they're becoming isolated and taking heavy hits; in this case they back off and await backup * Long range cars will attempt to find static locations to sit and shell you from, if appropriate. Even short-range cars will sit still if they seem to be doing well at their current location. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 4, 2008, 10:01 am Last edited Jun 4, 2008, 4:30 pm by *sam*

*Zothen* Knights Templar Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 841 Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Its ALIVE! Seems AIs will get a brain now! Thank you very much, Sam! Dinner is served - so lets go to our bloody work and test the stuff! =) ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jun 4, 2008, 10:11 am

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 Woot!  I hope I will be able to test that. We only need to find players with a brain now!  (I'm joking guys, don't shoot me, please) ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted Jun 4, 2008, 11:10 am

Parduz BroadRausters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: Feb 5, 2008 viKKing said: (I'm joking guys, don't shoot me, please) Bounty placed Great, Sam!!! This night i'll go scouting with some fear, for sure. ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 4, 2008, 11:28 am Last edited Jun 4, 2008, 11:29 am by Parduz

*Zothen* Knights Templar Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 841 Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Ive noticed that the AIs are more able to break off the roads. They will do it much sooner and chase you through the wilds. I had a chomper that was following my (exact?) trail so I couldnt shake him off as easily as I was used to. The times where they were heading directly towards you and get stuck behind hills seem to end. Beware when you head out! Also there seems to be a bug that can crash the event servers. So be careful out there! Sam is already investigating the problem. Lets press thumbs for a short bug hunt! =) ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jun 4, 2008, 1:37 pm Last edited Jun 4, 2008, 2:06 pm by Zothen

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Several event server crashes have happened since the patch, sorry everyone. I'm just about to upload a server-side patch that will hopefully fix it. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 4, 2008, 3:29 pm

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 It's still crashing, latest one was an arrival just now at 17:37 server time. ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted Jun 4, 2008, 4:38 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I know... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 4, 2008, 4:49 pm

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 Was there any tweaks to NPC accuracy vs Pedestrians? With this change, they are going to be more likely to shoot at them, and they're pretty hyper-accurate as it is right now. ......................... vet Posted Jun 4, 2008, 6:18 pm

*Zothen* Knights Templar Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 841 Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Yeah, Im worried about my human capital, too, cos I think its related to combats, too - so no more escaping...! ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jun 4, 2008, 6:36 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Was there any tweaks to NPC accuracy vs Pedestrians? With this change, they are going to be more likely to shoot at them, and they're pretty hyper-accurate as it is right now. You probably mean vehicle weapon accuracy vs. peds, not NPC accuracy vs. peds? No changes.. I haven't played much lately so I can make this tweak if you think it should be done? Possibly make a reduced accuracy based on the activity level of the target, to simulate rolling/diving etc..? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 4, 2008, 7:13 pm

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 *sam* said: Quote: Was there any tweaks to NPC accuracy vs Pedestrians? With this change, they are going to be more likely to shoot at them, and they're pretty hyper-accurate as it is right now. You probably mean vehicle weapon accuracy vs. peds, not NPC accuracy vs. peds? No changes.. I haven't played much lately so I can make this tweak if you think it should be done? Possibly make a reduced accuracy based on the activity level of the target, to simulate rolling/diving etc..? Oh, sorry, yes, specifically any vehicle accuracy vs. peds. That's right. I do honestly believe this. I've been fielding peds a lot lately (just check out my events), and have been using all squads of infantry. My experience thus far is: 1. Cover does seem to be working, in general. 2. Vehicle accuracy vs. peds is still far too good. I firmly believe it does need a serious downtweak. 3. As I posted in the suggestions thread, peds need some sort of fallback melee weapon or a way to carry more ammo. It gets kind of stupid when I'm running around a badly wounded enemy pickup truck and can't do anything to it because I just ran out of bullets. 4. I almost forgot to ask, do these collision fixes fix ped-to-ped and ped-to-object collisions? One of the NPC peds bumped into me while I was chasing him and concaved my characters chest and killed her. I just replaced her, but I did want to post that is a serious issue. I wouldn't mind if the NPC ped had actually punched me or kicked me, but we just ran into each other. 5. Now that we have peds, cars with no engine and/or no concoius passengers should not disappear from the battle map in scouts. 6. For fellow players, squad-tactics seem to work best. Too many and it becomes a hassle, too little and you can't do too much against a vehicle. Overall, good experiences but yes vehicles are still far too accurate against peds. Ped damage seems well balanced, but ammo count is a problem. So I'm not asking for more damage, just a way to damage cars when I'm out of bullets, or at least a way to carry more in a car or something. ......................... vet Posted Jun 4, 2008, 7:26 pm

Mad Mike the mad mad crushers Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,900 Joined: Aug 1, 2007 Event ID S49250 crash 20:33 server time ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 4, 2008, 7:35 pm

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 Quote: Possibly make a reduced accuracy based on the activity level of the target, to simulate rolling/diving etc..? Quote: 2. Vehicle accuracy vs. peds is still far too good. I firmly believe it does need a serious downtweak. I like the activity level idea, if it'll make downed peds easier to hit, right now they're still almost impossible to hit with weapons, even at point-blank ranges and since they go down in 1 hit it's very hard to score kills against them unless you run them over repeatedly (my cars are tanks and thus really too slow for that sort of thing). I think some kind of riot shield that can block ~1 hmg shot worth of damage in the direction the ped is facing would also be a good idea to increase survivability. ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted Jun 4, 2008, 7:49 pm

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 Alocalypse said: Quote: Possibly make a reduced accuracy based on the activity level of the target, to simulate rolling/diving etc..? Quote: 2. Vehicle accuracy vs. peds is still far too good. I firmly believe it does need a serious downtweak. I like the activity level idea, if it'll make downed peds easier to hit, right now they're still almost impossible to hit with weapons, even at point-blank ranges and since they go down in 1 hit it's very hard to score kills against them unless you run them over repeatedly (my cars are tanks and thus really too slow for that sort of thing). I think some kind of riot shield that can block ~1 hmg shot worth of damage in the direction the ped is facing would also be a good idea to increase survivability. I'd be okay with downed peds being easier to hit as long as active ones are a helluva lot harder to hit. The riot shield idea (should be in the weapons thread, you might have suggested it already) is a good idea and I support it, but it's a nice addition, not a solution to the problem in my view. The high activity level bonus is a good solution though, with a higher bonus giving better defense, a 100% giving an especially nice bonus and 10% a tiny bump. 0% activity could in turn grant a penalty to defense since hey, it's not moving. ......................... vet Posted Jun 4, 2008, 8:02 pm

pweelg Canis Lupus Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 741 Joined: Aug 18, 2007 Wouldn't like to see all weapons suffer a ped to hit nerf.... I think shotguns etc should remain fairly easy to hit a ped, but weapons that fire a single round...yeah should be harder ......................... vet combatL1 raceL1 wv Posted Jun 4, 2008, 8:09 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Quote: Event ID S49250 crash 20:33 server time Yeah sorry, we had a couple more crashes this evening. One that alo was playing was really strange, it bombed out on a section of code I have never touched. I'm trying a complete rebuild of the server engine, see if that helps. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 4, 2008, 8:10 pm

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 pweelg said: Wouldn't like to see all weapons suffer a ped to hit nerf.... I think shotguns etc should remain fairly easy to hit a ped, but weapons that fire a single round...yeah should be harder Vehicle Shotguns and Flechette guns (especially) should probably have a better chance than most other guns, but still not as good as ped shotguns. And the especially heavy weapons should have almost no chance to hit. You don't use a vehicular missile to pinpoint strike a single human target, that's total crap. ......................... vet Posted Jun 4, 2008, 8:23 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 The crashes have still continued, and something weird that happened in a scout event I was involved in was totally bizarre. Memory seems to be getting corrupted somehow, so I have rolled back the pathing code for the moment. If stability improves, I'll know it's to blame. Sorry again... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 4, 2008, 11:36 pm

madmax MainForcePatrol Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 560 Joined: Dec 6, 2007 Was the bizarre part the you were playing? Good luck on finding the problem. ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 5, 2008, 12:19 am

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