Ganger Trading and Selling (29 Votes)
Tradeable and/or sellable gangers	27.59% - 8 votes
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Ganger Trading and Selling

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 To be more clear I agree with Ninesticks and longos points above Further more I think there is far too much room for exploit with ganger trading. Selling and trading gangers like slaves is unethical. This convo came up 10 years ago. Nothing has changed. As for ageing; I think it changes the game too much. Its a persistent world, suddenly some gangers are held in limbo and don't age. It would be beneficial for me, as I don't train my guys much before I go AWOL again, but doesn't work for me. My leader is old. I had him since 2012 when he won me the SCL badge. Thats his history. All my guys have one and this breaks that for me. I came back from a long break. All my guys sucked. Im sill dealing with them. Thats the game for me. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 3:28 am

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 I wasn't particulary clear earlier regarding ganger trading. Pretty ambivalent about ganger trading, it's not something I would personally engage in but understand that others might want to. Given that good crew and better player skills/knowledge/understanding are the way to progress and get richer in the game it seems like it would be less of an income stream for newer players if they had any sense. I have been trying to think of ways this could be exploited and haven't thought of any particularly significant ones as yet. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 6:53 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 It doesn't have any real exploit points that doesn't involve using multiple accounts as far as I can tell (and I can usually tell). At worst I could see people getting others to get weekly recruits for them if they have no need for them themselves, but that isn't really much of one. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 9:06 am Last edited Jul 9, 2020, 9:06 am by FireFly

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 One issue I have against it is that players who get bored and leave could be persuaded to give their gangers to their friends, which leaves their gang in a much weaker state and makes it less likely they'll decide to come back after a year or two. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 10:52 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 True, but not having to start from scratch again becauae of a dead gang might also help some of us come back. Granted, age pause will help with that, but its probaby to late there for a lot of potential returning vets already. Still not sure I'm for it, but it is a point in its favor. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 11:34 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 FireFly said: It doesn't have any real exploit points that doesn't involve using multiple accounts as far as I can tell (and I can usually tell). At worst I could see people getting others to get weekly recruits for them if they have no need for them themselves, but that isn't really much of one. I wonder how many new accounts will pop up. Dont have to do much, just a training pool I can access whenever I like. Sure its slow... limited. Easy trail to follow but it will still create a mess. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 11:49 am

Tez Blood Roses Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 13, 2009 I think if you want to come back, you'll come back regardless of whatever state your gang is in. I'm sure some even fire all the old crew and start fresh anyway. ......................... vet wv combat1 pvp3 pvp51,4,0 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 12:27 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Tez said: I think if you want to come back, you'll come back regardless of whatever state your gang is in. I'm sure some even fire all the old crew and start fresh anyway. This is probably true for a lot of people, yes. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 1:15 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Bastille* said: FireFly said: It doesn't have any real exploit points that doesn't involve using multiple accounts as far as I can tell (and I can usually tell). At worst I could see people getting others to get weekly recruits for them if they have no need for them themselves, but that isn't really much of one. I wonder how many new accounts will pop up. Dont have to do much, just a training pool I can access whenever I like. Sure its slow... limited. Easy trail to follow but it will still create a mess. Yep.  Multi-accounting is very hard to catch. At the moment it gives few benefits, if any.  Ganger trading would make multi-accounting an obvious thing for people to start doing. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 1:16 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *sam* said: *Bastille* said: FireFly said: It doesn't have any real exploit points that doesn't involve using multiple accounts as far as I can tell (and I can usually tell). At worst I could see people getting others to get weekly recruits for them if they have no need for them themselves, but that isn't really much of one. I wonder how many new accounts will pop up. Dont have to do much, just a training pool I can access whenever I like. Sure its slow... limited. Easy trail to follow but it will still create a mess. Yep.  Multi-accounting is very hard to catch. At the moment it gives few benefits, if any.  Ganger trading would make multi-accounting an obvious thing for people to start doing. it would also make it much easier to spot. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 1:48 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *goat starer* said: *sam* said: *Bastille* said: FireFly said: It doesn't have any real exploit points that doesn't involve using multiple accounts as far as I can tell (and I can usually tell). At worst I could see people getting others to get weekly recruits for them if they have no need for them themselves, but that isn't really much of one. I wonder how many new accounts will pop up. Dont have to do much, just a training pool I can access whenever I like. Sure its slow... limited. Easy trail to follow but it will still create a mess. Yep.  Multi-accounting is very hard to catch. At the moment it gives few benefits, if any.  Ganger trading would make multi-accounting an obvious thing for people to start doing. it would also make it much easier to spot. No goat, you see that's my brothers inactive account that's giving me gangers, I swear!  ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 2:06 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 I think another option to get players to come back (sorry to go off topic/ Hijack thread ), but maybe Sam could email out that returning gangs who have been gone more than a year could receive 3 50 skilled gangers on their first 3 recruits or something to that effect. It stinks to restart, but it’s also fun as has been previously mentioned. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 2:10 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Longo* said: I think another option to get players to come back (sorry to go off topic/ Hijack thread ), but maybe Sam could email out that returning gangs who have been gone more than a year could receive 3 50 skilled gangers on their first 3 recruits or something to that effect. It stinks to restart, but it’s also fun as has been previously mentioned.  Interesting idea. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 2:41 pm

Manfred VonRichthofen Flying Froggies Sunday Driver Civs Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 97 Joined: Oct 13, 2012 Returning to the game is a thing, but sticking to it is another one. Instead of 3 new guyz already at 50 skill I would prefer 3 new guyz with a certifiate cap above 150... I returned few months ago, and since that time I had almost only low cappers, only a single one made it above 200 for now. I am recording statistics and it's really really bad... I am still playing untill the end of my premium time (2 months left) then I will look at those statistics and maybe stop again the game, but I must admit I have a huge feeling of wasted time. When I used to play 10 years ago, 90% of my gangers never capped with skills under 150, now I have had multi cappers even below 80 ! most under 100, few between 100 and 150, and for now since 3 or 4 months only a SINGLE one made it above 200 ! This is insidious, and it is linked to the fact that I am not moving gang further south... why would I move gangers south that are capped under 150, when I know I will have to fight 10 specs npc. I will never be as good as them because I am capped to 4 or 5 specs max with that <150 skill cap --> Even more wasted time edit : now to avoid wasting time, I only run solo travel cars, just increasing scouting skill to check their cap, not scouting anymore except in SS sometimes for the few cash I need to run those 10+ travel cars edit 2 : or let us spend hundreds of chrome points to have certified high cappers ......................... vet wv race1 paintball deathrce1 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 3:44 pm Last edited Jul 9, 2020, 3:57 pm by Manfred VonRichthofen

Tez Blood Roses Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 13, 2009 Manfred VonRichthofen said: Returning to the game is a thing, but sticking to it is another one.  Instead of 3 new guyz already at 50 skill I would prefer 3 new guyz with a certifiate cap above 150... I returned few months ago, and since that time I had almost only low cappers, only a single one made it above 200 for now. I am recording statistics and it's really really bad... I am still playing untill the end of my premium time (2 months left) then I will look at those statistics and maybe stop again the game, but I must admit I have a huge feeling of wasted time. When I used to play 10 years ago, 90% of my gangers never capped with skills under 150, now I have had multi cappers even below 80 ! most under 100, few between 100 and 150, and for now since 3 or 4 months only a SINGLE one made it above 200 ! This is insidious, and it is linked to the fact that I am not moving gang further south... why would I move gangers south that are capped under 150, when I know I will have to fight 10 specs npc. I will never be as good as them because I am capped to 4 or 5 specs max with that <150 skill cap --> Even more wasted time edit : now to avoid wasting time, I only run solo travel cars, just increasing scouting skill to check their cap, not scouting anymore except in SS sometimes for the few cash I need to run those 10+ travel cars edit 2 : or let us spend hundreds of chrome points to have certified high cappers tears ......................... vet wv combat1 pvp3 pvp51,4,0 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 7:29 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Not sure if memory serves me correctly but the rough average is a cap of 100-150. Free hires tend to fare better and others worse. Really is luck of the draw, A couple of weeks ago I ran a lorry transport squad from GW to BL with sub 100 gangers (2 specs on the gunners)- was a bit hairy I will admit but eminently doable with vet resources in terms of equipment. I think a lot of players, myself included, tend to put their own limitations on what they will attempt without certain skilled gangers due to understandable risk aversion rather than the game actually enforcing it. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 8:21 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *Ninesticks* said: Not sure if memory serves me correctly but the rough average is a cap of 100-150. Free hires tend to fare better and others worse. Really is luck of the draw, A couple of weeks ago I ran a lorry transport squad from GW to BL with sub 100 gangers (2 specs on the gunners)- was a bit hairy I will admit but eminently doable with vet resources in terms of equipment. I think a lot of players, myself included, tend to put their own limitations on what they will attempt without certain skilled gangers due to understandable risk aversion rather than the game actually enforcing  it. Your an exception though Nine, you play well above your gangers skill. Not a lot can say that.  ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 9:50 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 why dont we just compromise, give all gangs 10 extra ganger slots and turn skill capping off ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 10:07 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Lock topic lock topic lock topic. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 10:11 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 This is one of the better discussions going Joel! I'm against ganger trading, for some kind of relief for long vacations. Sam has made going away somewhat easier than it used to be with suspending upkeep, it used to be possible to come back and have a bank account millions in the red. Nine, you should share replay numbers of your exploits! ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jul 9, 2020, 11:31 pm

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