Ganger Trading and Selling (29 Votes)
Tradeable and/or sellable gangers	27.59% - 8 votes
Keep it the way it is	72.41% - 21 votes

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Ganger Trading and Selling

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 I like the no login for a year thing, if it has to be done. Don't think it should be a toggle. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 7:43 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 FireFly said: I like the no login for a year thing, if it has to be done. Don't think it should be a toggle. Exactly, the player doesn't need to do anything. If they didn't log in for the whole game year then they avoid aging. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 7:48 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *sam* said: *goat starer* said: making it random and out of the control of players would prevent abuse. Ironically, making it random and out of the control of players would promote abuse.. towards me ! some abuse is earned  ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 8:04 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 I'll put my tuppence worth in, like the proposed change to ageing for non-active players - seems eminently sensible and worthwhile. Out of curiosity how would people trade/sell gangers, or more specifically - why would they (apart from nefarious underhand attempts perhaps to get around certain things no doubt)? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 8:13 pm

Effy Effys Girls Racer Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: Aug 26, 2014 My guess is it would help richers get whatever they want with more ease. I had the luck to recruit a 17yo psi mutant 2 weeks ago. I guess i would have ended selling her for something that would seem a lot to me but probably would be a minor investment to a "rich" player. Same if i found i have a 300 capper... i would probably end selling the ganger. It's very hard not to have a price inside a game (and even more when you don't want to be a "top"). And about not aging while away... seems a decent proposal to me, can't really see how it can be abused. ......................... vet wv race1 deathrce1 combat1 paintladder0,59,4 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 9:09 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *Ninesticks* said: Out of curiosity how would people trade/sell gangers, or more specifically - why would they (apart from nefarious underhand attempts perhaps to get around certain things no doubt)? I assume people who have more time to play than others would be able to make some good dw dollars by training gangers. I'd imagine there would be a pretty good market for it given the recent pvp focus and number of returning players with dead gangs due to old age (like me). Dunno if it's a good idea tho, I voted no since it takes a lot of the gang personality out of the thing. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 9:29 pm Last edited Jul 7, 2020, 10:15 pm by FireFly

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I have not seen such a clear vote as when we voted Shanty be open for PvP intercepts. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 11:43 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,008 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 i offered to train players gangers at my camp, trained one of avenged sevenfolds mechs to 120, one of andrew ants scouts to 100 and currently training one of joes scouts, offered training to players who kept a ganger at my camp and raced for me in leagues, but not many takers on that offer. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Jul 7, 2020, 11:59 pm

FreeformWings Blur Syndicate Pedestrian Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: Oct 12, 2015 I agree with Longo. If not possible to fully stop aging, a large reduction would be beneficial for both sides of the argument. It also makes sense: not being in highly stressful gun fights is more than likely beneficial to your health physically and mentally in the long term. ......................... vet wv pvp5 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 8:05 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Joel Autobaun said: I have not seen such a clear vote as when we voted Shanty be open for PvP intercepts. is it now? Did that ever happen? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 9:25 am

Tez Blood Roses Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 13, 2009 Is everyones gangers ageing at normal speed regardless of whether you play or not an issue? Most of my ace crew died of old age when I came back after five years, just means I have the fun of bonding with a new, more talented and more drug addicted bunch. ......................... vet wv combat1 pvp3 pvp51,4,0 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 10:34 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 I agree with the Roses No change even to ageing ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 1:20 pm

Rex-Rillian Rex Rillions Red Ringers RRRR Pedestrian Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: Sep 20, 2015 this has gone off topic stopping aging for gangers is not the same as a way to trade gangers so far the only objection iv seen is multi rule breakers might abuse it which is not a reason to not do it can any one give me a reason that it would be a bad addition to the game ? i like the idea of utilizing the slavery as its with in the game world already this vote was not about gangers aging how many people have voted on that rather then the actual topic of trading gangers because as i said above no one has given me any game balance or in-game reasons why trading is bad ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 8, 2020, 5:46 pm Last edited Jul 8, 2020, 6:15 pm by Rex-Rillian

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Rex-Rillian said: this has gone off topic stopping aging for gangers is not the same as a way to trade gangers so far the only objection iv seen is multi rule breakers might abuse it  which is not a reason to not do it  can any one give me a reason that it would be a bad addition to the game ? i like the idea of utilizing the slavery as its with in the game world  already this vote was not about gangers aging  how many people have voted on that rather then the actual topic  of trading  gangers because as i said above no one has given me any game balance or in-game reasons why trading is bad Yes, I can give you an answer. The masses (presently 76%) don’t want it. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 7:31 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 I don't think it is terrible to ask why people don't want it. In fact, it would be useful in some ways. Just because lots said no doesn't, in and of itself, mean that it is a poor idea. More important to look at the pros and cons - that's the trouble with votes like this - they tend to restrict that discussion. Personally speaking, I think anything to do with players and slavery has always been, and should continue to be, a big fecking no-no. World of difference between the AI spriting your crew off to the gladiator pits and players actively engaging in it. And no, it doesn't matter that it is a post-apocalyptic game, real world sensibilities and sensitivites need to be given their due regard. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 7:47 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *Ninesticks* said: I don't think it is terrible to ask why people don't want it. In fact, it would be useful in some ways. Just because lots said no doesn't, in and of itself, mean that it is a poor idea. More important to look at the pros and cons - that's the trouble with votes like this - they tend to restrict that discussion. Personally speaking, I think anything to do with players and slavery has always been, and should continue to be, a big fecking no-no. World of difference between the AI spriting your crew off to the gladiator pits and players actively engaging in it. And no, it doesn't matter that it is a post-apocalyptic game, real world sensibilities and sensitivites need to be given their due regard. Fair enough. Gangs like mine would sell our low cappers for alot of money to new gangs, and make more money. Then, we would buy any high ones other gangs offered up. So the big gangs would just get better, and the medium gangs would take a step back, and the new gangs would take longer to develop as they would sell off their good guys to try and get a better foothold in. I think it would make me more powerful, and I am against it.  ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 8:13 pm

Rex-Rillian Rex Rillions Red Ringers RRRR Pedestrian Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: Sep 20, 2015 *Longo* said: *Ninesticks* said: I don't think it is terrible to ask why people don't want it. In fact, it would be useful in some ways. Just because lots said no doesn't, in and of itself, mean that it is a poor idea. More important to look at the pros and cons - that's the trouble with votes like this - they tend to restrict that discussion. Personally speaking, I think anything to do with players and slavery has always been, and should continue to be, a big fecking no-no. World of difference between the AI spriting your crew off to the gladiator pits and players actively engaging in it. And no, it doesn't matter that it is a post-apocalyptic game, real world sensibilities and sensitivites need to be given their due regard. Fair enough. Gangs like mine would sell our low cappers for alot of money to new gangs, and make more money. Then, we would buy any high ones other gangs offered up. So the big gangs would just get better, and the medium gangs would take a step back, and the new gangs would take longer to develop as they would sell off their good guys to try and get a better foothold in. I think it would make me more powerful, and I am against it.  ok that's a reason to not do direct trading  i can respect it but i will point out that , that's what happens in the game now those with money get the big camps  buy the best weapons  and cars and the newer guys cant afford them what you have stated there is simply  gives another way for the newer smaller gangs to make  money off the bigger richer guys to help them improve there gangs by stopping it you block a way for newer players from another income stream but that wasn't my idea  i was thinking more in the lines of whats already in the game  ie slavery  i don' see why we cant capture npc or pc gangers and sell them on markets with a mechanism like you have to free them if you want them to join your gang with a random chance of then joining or just leaving in a post apocalyptic world  just like the real world people are a reasorce ask any HR dept  regardless of IRL  morals (theirs lots of slavery gos on in the IRL today which i would like to see stamped out with extreme prejudice) the practice exists in the game as is  it just give more RPG in the game if you don't care and want to make money do it if you care hunt down those doing it attack the camps that have a market imo it just add more flavor and choices in the game ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 8, 2020, 8:42 pm Last edited Jul 8, 2020, 9:02 pm by Rex-Rillian

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Ninesticks* said: I don't think it is terrible to ask why people don't want it. In fact, it would be useful in some ways. Just because lots said no doesn't, in and of itself, mean that it is a poor idea. More important to look at the pros and cons - that's the trouble with votes like this - they tend to restrict that discussion. Personally speaking, I think anything to do with players and slavery has always been, and should continue to be, a big fecking no-no. World of difference between the AI spriting your crew off to the gladiator pits and players actively engaging in it. And no, it doesn't matter that it is a post-apocalyptic game, real world sensibilities and sensitivites need to be given their due regard. Isn't this more like a football transfer fee than slavery? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 8:46 pm

Rex-Rillian Rex Rillions Red Ringers RRRR Pedestrian Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: Sep 20, 2015 [/quote] Isn't this more like a football transfer fee than slavery?[/quote] for the direct trading if your a sports fan ya it would be just like that in fact you could pay a % of the fee to the ganger ie its taken off the price payed ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 8, 2020, 8:55 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *goat starer* said: Joel Autobaun said: I have not seen such a clear vote as when we voted Shanty be open for PvP intercepts. is it now? Did that ever happen? I dont think so.  Honestly not sure.  Pointed it out to sam a couple months ago. Usually these kinds of polls dont mean much unless it is something sam is actively working on.(like the time we did community weapons balancing and various omgmakemeliteonfireless nerfs) ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jul 8, 2020, 9:40 pm

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