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Skill Limit in Squad Divisions, Suggested changes

Paul Simon Ceewolves Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: Jun 2, 2015 It just occurred to me that the level limits for squad division battles should be better refined. Assuming the main goal of the squad division activities is to have balanced sides, the current setup will allow gangers with up to 6 specializations fight against those with zero at Division V and gets worse the higher you go. to address this issue I would suggest the following suggestions: 1 have and additional check for how many specializations a ganger has that is entered into a squad combat and set a limit on that as well. 2 have the game calculate the total amount of skill points per team and let the difference be a modifier to the points given for demoing a car. 3 Use generic gangers.. all same skill level. or randomly created gangers with skills in the range allowed by the division but no specializations. ......................... vet wv pvp2 Posted Mar 21, 2016, 8:45 pm

JoniBoy Parents Association Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 25, 2013 I agree that the SCL system could be improved. Actually, you can field gangers with more than 6 specs in div V since skill cap does not apply to driving or scouting skills. You can actually field defensive drivers 8 in the lowest division. However, I would not spend one more minute on suggestions for a game that is not going to change a single bit. This matter has been discussed multiple times already. ......................... vet wv sssc circuit3 raceL1 circuit1 circuit2 combatL1 pvp3 pvp2 pvp5 pvp1 e2g deathrceL1 Posted Mar 22, 2016, 2:49 am

*Maxxed* [v]@Xx3D []ut Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 961 Joined: May 20, 2010 I agree that changing the SCL limits would benefit the game and encourage newer players to engage in leagues. SCL5 is no level playing field when a newer player is facing a player fielding DD6, SNP3 with RR and specced scouts they have almost no chance of winning and have a good chance of losing some of their best guys. My suggestion would be to change the skill caps as follows: SCL5 - Skill Cap 40 SCL4 - Skill Cap 80 SCL3 - Skill Cap 120 SCL2 - Skill Cap 160 SCL1 - No Skill Cap ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 marshal pvp5 pvp20,0,1 Posted Mar 25, 2016, 11:48 am

JoniBoy Parents Association Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 25, 2013 *Maxxed* said: I agree that changing the SCL limits would benefit the game and encourage newer players to engage in leagues. SCL5 is no level playing field when a newer player is facing a player fielding DD6, SNP3 with RR and specced scouts they have almost no chance of winning and have a good chance of losing some of their best guys. My suggestion would be to change the skill caps as follows: SCL5 - Skill Cap 40 SCL4 - Skill Cap 80 SCL3 - Skill Cap 120 SCL2 - Skill Cap 160 SCL1 - No Skill Cap +1 ......................... vet wv sssc circuit3 raceL1 circuit1 circuit2 combatL1 pvp3 pvp2 pvp5 pvp1 e2g deathrceL1 Posted Mar 25, 2016, 1:42 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Changing the skill cap isn't going to solve anything. Once that new player advances to the next division, same situation, I don't have the same skill guys to fight the other players in this new division. Bottom line, cross train your guys. New players, this may take a little time, but it is something we all had to do. Also, take into consideration the money and prizes for SCL. It has the highest payout than any league, you can win training vouchers that are only available in SCL leagues and you can earn bonuses and boosts for your camp you are affiliated with. Prizes like these should not be low hanging fruit, so you are going to get some of the best competition in any match you fight in. Paul, here is my suggestion. SCL can have up to 3 players on a team. Join up with another player. Division 5 usually runs with a 3 vehicle squad. Your partner runs two cars and you run one car. I am sure you should have at least a couple skilled characters to fill your car. Your partner, especially if you partner up with a vet, will have the multi spec'd crew that will balance the match. I know this works because I have done this over many seasons taking on new players or first time SCL players. Now, after you have played in a couple seasons, your characters will develop and you could start a solo team if you wanted. Remember, you can only lead one team, so if you want to play in multiple divisions, you will needs partners. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Mar 25, 2016, 5:20 pm Last edited Mar 25, 2016, 5:21 pm by *The X Man*

JoniBoy Parents Association Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 25, 2013 *The X Man* said: Your partner, especially if you partner up with a vet, will have the multi spec'd crew that will balance the match. I know this works because I have done this over many seasons taking on new players or first time SCL players. Agree, You just hit right into the problem! You need a vet partner. New players should be able to perform well without a vet partner. *The X Man* said: Changing the skill cap isn't going to solve anything. Once that new player advances to the next division, same situation, I don't have the same skill guys to fight the other players in this new division. It is going to solve lots of issues, especially if skill cap applies to ALL skills. It is possible to keep your gunnery skills up to date if you train, I have done it myself with the help of chrome. However, it is not possible to train Defensive driver 6 and scouting 6 at the same time. That, you need to train in advance, hence you are a vet. ......................... vet wv sssc circuit3 raceL1 circuit1 circuit2 combatL1 pvp3 pvp2 pvp5 pvp1 e2g deathrceL1 Posted Mar 25, 2016, 8:26 pm

JoniBoy Parents Association Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 25, 2013 Also, the reason why Maxx proposes to change the skill limit is because there is no skill difference between Div V(cap 60) and IV(cap 90) and neither between div II(cap 150) and div I(cap 180). Maxx's scale makes a lot more sense. I would modify it slightly though: Div V: 49cap Div IV: 99cap Div III: 149cap Div II: 199cap Div I: 249 cap or no cap Its mostly the same, just makes a little more sense ......................... vet wv sssc circuit3 raceL1 circuit1 circuit2 combatL1 pvp3 pvp2 pvp5 pvp1 e2g deathrceL1 Posted Mar 25, 2016, 8:31 pm Last edited Mar 25, 2016, 8:36 pm by JoniBoy

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 JoniBoy said: *The X Man* said: Your partner, especially if you partner up with a vet, will have the multi spec'd crew that will balance the match. I know this works because I have done this over many seasons taking on new players or first time SCL players. Agree, You just hit right into the problem! You need a vet partner. New players should be able to perform well without a vet partner. *The X Man* said: Changing the skill cap isn't going to solve anything. Once that new player advances to the next division, same situation, I don't have the same skill guys to fight the other players in this new division. It is going to solve lots of issues, especially if skill cap applies to ALL skills. It is possible to keep your gunnery skills up to date if you train, I have done it myself with the help of chrome. However, it is not possible to train Defensive driver 6 and scouting 6 at the same time. That, you need to train in advance, hence you are a vet. There wouldn't be a need to adjust the skill cap. Just include all skills, not just weapons, would be more inline with what you are talking about. Taking a 199 to 249 cap in D1 and D2 would not be the best because the average character caps 150-175. So you would have a harder time fielding an equally skilled squad to compete with on your own. SCL format is to include a multi-player per team league. Nothing wrong with new players and vets forming a team. The new guy gains lots of experience this way compared to solo mode hard knocks way of learning. I've been on both ends of this and going solo is not the way to be competitive as a new player. Paul doesn't have all these crossed train characters and he is in 3rd place in Div 5 playing solo. He is doing a good job too, so how is the current format not competitive or unfair for him? Is it because he isn't in 1st place? Some leagues take many seasons before you can win, especially when a lot of good players are in these divisions. Is the SCL format the best? Maybe not. Some of your suggestions are worth considering, but are they really going to affect the game in the way you think it will? Some things might, but other things may not. Next season will be here in a few weeks. See if you can talk to some other players and get them interested in SCL and try to increase the sign ups for Div 5. Maybe get a good mix of players per team. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Mar 26, 2016, 1:05 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I am available for hire in all divisions next season. No payment required. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Mar 26, 2016, 4:25 am Last edited Mar 26, 2016, 4:25 am by Joel Autobaun

Racing Robbie The White Ashes Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: Jul 3, 2012 *The X Man* said: There wouldn't be a need to adjust the skill cap. Just include all skills, not just weapons, would be more inline with what you are talking about. +1 to this - would go a long way to making Div 5 a proper entry level league high DD do make a difference in the lower leagues where the gunners tend not to be so good ......................... vet wv northernsummer e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 slay2013 pvp3 ww pvp1 semiprocombat0,1,0 Posted Mar 26, 2016, 10:16 am

JoniBoy Parents Association Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 25, 2013 Racing Robbie said: *The X Man* said: There wouldn't be a need to adjust the skill cap. Just include all skills, not just weapons, would be more inline with what you are talking about. +1 to this - would go a long way to making Div 5 a proper entry level league high DD do make a difference in the lower leagues where the gunners tend not to be so good +1 ......................... vet wv sssc circuit3 raceL1 circuit1 circuit2 combatL1 pvp3 pvp2 pvp5 pvp1 e2g deathrceL1 Posted Mar 26, 2016, 10:46 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 add in stats and I'm in too. Speed esp 1:1 for skill points. Otherwise this is just another roundabout way of handicapping old gangers. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Mar 26, 2016, 4:33 pm

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