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Solution for Mech Alt Account

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 *Boonwolf* said: Personal Gain is different from utilizing time to benefit your gang.  He nor anyone has personally gained anything. This pertains to selling of game items for tangible items ie cash for selling a sub or in game items.  None of witch has happend to the best of my knowledge. Nope....typically give the gear away for free to members.  I make some chromes from my SS camp though.  Either way, I don't manage that, and the person who does, doesn't game reps ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 5:50 am

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 They were a member of the camp before I ever joined. So it would help to get the correct facts before pointing fingers. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 5:51 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 Only have 3 to point may as well make them count ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 7:28 am

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 *The X Man* said: They were a member of the camp before I ever joined. So it would help to get the correct facts before pointing fingers. Kind of irrelevant when they asked for a Turin and you acknowledged tossing keys to Moth....you at bare mininum knew the account was helping Moth, and if you were like any camp manager I know, you'd make certain you knew what was up with each and every gang present. Or am I to assume you lack that level of awareness and curiosity? ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 10:40 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 I know I do! ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 11:12 am

Tallus Fatalis Foedi Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: Aug 30, 2014 When I have to report DW$ on my taxes I'll consider it "personal gain." ......................... vet wv ped2 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 11:58 am

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Jagged Monkey* said: So if someone remains subbed but can't play they should be punished.  If someone uses a 0.6L motor to move tones of cargo and hides behind a Pvp off flag to escape player punishment it's ok? You are an exploiter! He played often enough to nickname all his guys either "slow learner" or "fast learner" but played a total of zero events.  I guess hiring mechanics and nicknaming them is more fun than scouting or racing. Or it's an alt. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 1:31 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 goat starer said: did crispin have an "idea"? he seemed to be mostly just ranting about Moth in an unstructured and evidence light manner. As tallus has ponted out elsewhere I dont play as much as i would like. I have a bunch of characters in the vault training mech. how long between events doesit take before i am just one of bastilles alt accounts? The idea was: if Sam obviously doesn't mind Moth running and paying him for an Alt, then remove Mech skill from the gangers and make them be "legitimate" gangers (or I guess he said Use them Legitimatly, which I think meant for playing DW and not just contributing MR to camp) And not having time to play is different from never having played a single even in two years and never playing a single even EVER. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 1:38 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Boonwolf* said: *The X Man* said: *Boonwolf* said: Personal Gain is different from utilizing time to benefit your gang.  He nor anyone has personally gained anything. This pertains to selling of game items for tangible items ie cash for selling a sub or in game items.  None of witch has happend to the best of my knowledge. This has nothing to do with "utilizing time", it was making millions risk free. The game items used (fuel) and being sold for a huge profit. That type of transport is normally not a problem, doing it in 20 times larger runs risk free is. Personal gain does not have to be tied to "real" money. And we all know what was gained.   Knad like running alt mechs? Or telling people to route through Hemp to move Buzzers and BPUs to Morgan and circumvent the bulk limits to surprise the Alley for CoE? ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 1:42 pm

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 rake rake rake. give it a rest will you all. Lets just play Darkwind and let Sam sort this stuff out without so much bickering. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Nov 5, 2015, 4:04 pm

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 He won't do anything until we create a fever pitch over these matters - LEGITIMATE, ESTABLISHED, KNOWN CHEATING, I am quick to add. Not the recent change in policy which X Man wants to point at as having been an exploit for 2 years, now (but wasn't until 2 weeks ago). ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 5:00 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Krakhedd said: *The X Man* said: They were a member of the camp before I ever joined. So it would help to get the correct facts before pointing fingers. Kind of irrelevant when they asked for a Turin and you acknowledged tossing keys to Moth....you at bare mininum knew the account was helping Moth, and if you were like any camp manager I know, you'd make certain you knew what was up with each and every gang present. Or am I to assume you lack that level of awareness and curiosity? You can assume all you want. There are personal RL issues that have affected my ability to play and do the things I normally do each week. This includes Morgan defenses, camp defenses and camp maintenance. There are quite a few players I have asked in advance to help cover these areas for me over the last couple months to help in my stead. So my apologizes in advance that I put my personal life first for a change instead of taking care my "DW player" duties. Flailing your arms and squawking at a "fever pitch" like a duck leaving a proctologist's office is not going to get things resolved any faster, but it will probably end up getting you blocked. This issue has been brought up multiple times by other players, including myself, to Sam. Just because you don't see it in the forums, it doesn't mean he is not working to resolve it. He will make a decision once he has time to do so. Crispin, I don't have a buzzer in Morgan, but I did have a BPU. I got it from scouting out of Morgan and looted it. Ask Snipe, he was there to verify it. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 8:22 pm

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 *The X Man* said: Krakhedd said: *The X Man* said: They were a member of the camp before I ever joined. So it would help to get the correct facts before pointing fingers. Kind of irrelevant when they asked for a Turin and you acknowledged tossing keys to Moth....you at bare mininum knew the account was helping Moth, and if you were like any camp manager I know, you'd make certain you knew what was up with each and every gang present. Or am I to assume you lack that level of awareness and curiosity? You can assume all you want. There are personal RL issues that have affected my ability to play and do the things I normally do each week. This includes Morgan defenses, camp defenses and camp maintenance. There are quite a few players I have asked in advance to help cover these areas for me over the last couple months to help in my stead. So my apologizes in advance that I put my personal life first for a change instead of taking care my "DW player" duties. Flailing your arms and squawking at a "fever pitch" like a duck leaving a proctologist's office is not going to get things resolved any faster, but it will probably end up getting you blocked. This issue has been brought up multiple times by other players, including myself, to Sam. Just because you don't see it in the forums, it doesn't mean he is not working to resolve it. He will make a decision once he has time to do so. Crispin, I don't have a buzzer in Morgan, but I did have a BPU. I got it from scouting out of Morgan and looted it. Ask Snipe, he was there to verify it. Considerijg your management of Hemp pre-dates those RL issues, and the fact the account has been around past the beginning of those issues as well, I'm not sure what any of those issues matter in this case? And if Sam were handling the situation, why is the accpunt still there? It seems a few minutes to delwte the account is all that would be needed. Delaying only adds to the mystery, and continues to help Hemp with mech alt gangers. I have suggested in the past that your duties as mayor and game manager be delegated to other players who DO have the time, or otherwise that there should be multiple players with those powers and responsibilities. Sounds to me like you're obvuouspy too encumbeted tp be effective and these mechs also call into question your impartiality and honesty. ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted Nov 5, 2015, 10:21 pm

*Splurs* Splurs Scroungers Racer Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 163 Joined: Dec 17, 2012 So it seems to me there is 2 sides if you wish to this. 1 is that someone was making hundreds of millions running unarmoured lorries, (would this still be considered an exploit if they had guns on them? If so to what degree? Also is it then an exploit I run unarmoured cars from town to town? Or it is only an exploit because they make more money than others? And 2 is someone was using an alt account. I am with Krak in that the exploit was only made known 2 weeks ago, has the player altered their travel runs? If so then that fix is sorted. (Which was never about money it was about reps, well that was the idea I got.) What about the alt mech account? At the very least sub should be suspended until the issue gets sorted, if investigation is found to be a proper used account then the account gets re activated and reimbursed for suspended time. However as it stands it seems to me that there is no punishment for alt accounts and they are tolerated a lot more than exploits. ......................... vet wv marshal Posted Nov 5, 2015, 11:07 pm

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 Have faith Sam will no doubt sort it out. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Nov 5, 2015, 11:52 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Seems to me thing would be a lot simpler with open pvp to "sort it out". Just kill unarmed lorries. Easy meat. If some one is running a shell game at a camp attack their camp and destroy it. fk it's only 1sss and 0sss ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Nov 6, 2015, 12:23 am Last edited Nov 6, 2015, 12:24 am by Joel Autobaun

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Krakhedd said: Considerijg your management of Hemp pre-dates those RL issues, and the fact the account has been around past the beginning of those issues as well, I'm not sure what any of those issues matter in this case? The Thistle Farms account was unsubbed for the entire time I was managing the camp. (No gain from his mechs at camp). He just resubbed about a month ago and even then, there was no real benefit from it because of the current MR at the time was 220. Even if his account was deleted, the camp's MR will continue to be more than enough to continue with uninterrupted production. Krakhedd said: And if Sam were handling the situation, why is the accpunt still there? It seems a few minutes to delwte the account is all that would be needed. Perhaps deleting all that exploited money could be done that same way? Krakhedd said: Delaying only adds to the mystery, and continues to help Hemp with mech alt gangers. No, it only adds to your frustration because the ranting hasn't produced the results you want. And like I said above, they don't help because the MR is more than enough. Krakhedd said: I have suggested in the past that your duties as mayor and game manager be delegated to other players who DO have the time, or otherwise that there should be multiple players with those powers and responsibilities. Sounds to me like you're obvuouspy too encumbeted tp be effective and these mechs also call into question your impartiality and honesty. Your suggestions come from biased opinion and thinking there are hidden agendas. My lack of game playing time has no affect on the positions of Mayor or Game Manager. I will always have time to help players, answer questions, offer assistance, solve problems and even handle their complaints. All, of this is handled usually within hours if not sooner. Before me, these things could take days. Maybe ask the player base how their individuals issues were handle and resolved and hear all the positive comments for yourself. The main responsibility being Mayor is defending town. I have probably attended over 90% of the approximate 360 defenses since becoming Mayor. About the last 300 have gone undefeated (a 2 year span) and preserved all players personal gear from pirates during that time. The one lone exception was the no show loss a few months back. And if I can still have the time to even listen to and process your personal game issues or complaints regarding others and resolving them or sending them to Sam for you, I would say its about as impartial as it gets.   ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Nov 6, 2015, 12:29 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Joel Autobaun said: Seems to me thing would be a lot simpler with open pvp to "sort it out".  Just kill unarmed lorries.  Easy meat.  If some one is running a shell game at a camp attack their camp and destroy it.  fk it's only 1sss and 0sss Absolutely.... Only has to be in the tex sars shanty BL region ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Nov 6, 2015, 12:50 am

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 *The X Man* said: Krakhedd said: Considerijg your management of Hemp pre-dates those RL issues, and the fact the account has been around past the beginning of those issues as well, I'm not sure what any of those issues matter in this case? The Thistle Farms account was unsubbed for the entire time I was managing the camp. (No gain from his mechs at camp). He just resubbed about a month ago and even then, there was no real benefit from it because of the current MR at the time was 220. Even if his account was deleted, the camp's MR will continue to be more than enough to continue with uninterrupted production. Krakhedd said: And if Sam were handling the situation, why is the accpunt still there? It seems a few minutes to delwte the account is all that would be needed. Perhaps deleting all that exploited money could be done that same way? Krakhedd said: Delaying only adds to the mystery, and continues to help Hemp with mech alt gangers. No, it only adds to your frustration because the ranting hasn't produced the results you want. And like I said above, they don't help because the MR is more than enough. Krakhedd said: I have suggested in the past that your duties as mayor and game manager be delegated to other players who DO have the time, or otherwise that there should be multiple players with those powers and responsibilities. Sounds to me like you're obvuouspy too encumbeted tp be effective and these mechs also call into question your impartiality and honesty. Your suggestions come from biased opinion and thinking there are hidden agendas. My lack of game playing time has no affect on the positions of Mayor or Game Manager. I will always have time to help players, answer questions, offer assistance, solve problems and even handle their complaints. All, of this is handled usually within hours if not sooner. Before me, these things could take days. Maybe ask the player base how their individuals issues were handle and resolved and hear all the positive comments for yourself. The main responsibility being Mayor is defending town. I have probably attended over 90% of the approximate 360 defenses since becoming Mayor. About the last 300 have gone undefeated (a 2 year span) and preserved all players personal gear from pirates during that time. The one lone exception was the no show loss a few months back. And if I can still have the time to even listen to and process your personal game issues or complaints regarding others and resolving them or sending them to Sam for you, I would say its about as impartial as it gets.   Funny that he contributed so little - when in fact it was 35k or so shop points (since the prior reset).  Not a small amount.  And I have a screen shot to prove that. Exploited money?  Come off of it.  I didn't use any exploit.  I played the game a different way than you, and different than you liked.  It wasn't an exploit til 2 weeks ago, so, any money earned prior to that....sorry, but, it's untouchable.  Fully legal and legitimate.  And, guess what I stopped doing after it was termed an exploit? Which is it, a lack of time or not?  Cuz either you have the time, or, you don't.  You certainly have enough time to pass out produced goods and keep an eye on Hemp.  I would suggest that means ample playing time, as well.  And regardless the time you have, taking 2 minutes to look up who's asking for a Turin, and figuring out why?  Or you already knew, and didn't need to invest time into investigation. As far as impartiality....no that's not as impartial as it gets.  That's about the lowest level of impartiality.  Like, even Sam would say something to you, if I had an issue I needed resolved and you weren't attending to it.  That's purely CYA. I could also argue the mech alt is being handled EXACTLY as you want it, as it benefits you and your members (same as me and my then-legitimate trading helped mine).  Except, that mech alt, was always a mech alt, still is a mech alt, and until Sam deletes it, always will be. Also....just cuz this is on my mind, not cuz it's been in this thread prior....did you notice how low fuel prices have been the past DW year or two?  If you're going to cry about my money, at least cry about the cost of water in EF versus sale price in TX, cuz that's actually where I made most of my money.  And even still, hauled 50/50 food & water because logistical support was my primary concern.  Food sells for less than $200/unit in TX.  I had it down under $100 for a time, even. ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted Nov 6, 2015, 2:50 am

Krakhedd FAQ Crew Autodueller Morgan Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 351 Joined: Aug 19, 2012 goat starer said: Joel Autobaun said: Seems to me thing would be a lot simpler with open pvp to "sort it out".  Just kill unarmed lorries.  Easy meat.  If some one is running a shell game at a camp attack their camp and destroy it.  fk it's only 1sss and 0sss Absolutely.... Only has to be in the tex sars shanty BL region If the reps were properly fixed, it wouldn't be needed....I don't play for the PvP element, I know a lot of players don't as well, so, this wouldn't fix the game at all, perhaps for a few, but not for all. ......................... vet wv raceL1 pvp3 paintball9,2,9 Posted Nov 6, 2015, 2:51 am

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