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Joel Autobaun said:
comon man your a marshal at least ask sam to fix this busted fkin truce code(which was always bull####)


+1

Even I didn't complain this much when a glitched single MMG hit penetrated 19 points of previously untouched frontal armor and destroyed 2 HMGs in an SLC match (eventually resulting in a loss)

Then again, Sam didn't fix the match where I showed up and my opponent was a no show and I got Zero points and the no show guy got 3 so maybe it's not considered terribly important.  I suppose if it had ended up being a deciding factor in overall placing it might have mattered enough to fix but I get the impression he is AFK.so to speak.
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Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:08 am Last edited Jan 31, 2015, 2:10 am by *StCrispin*
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Plus your talking SCL 5

it's not like you will drop a bracket. You are down here in the bottom of the barrel with me! Lol.
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Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:11 am
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Joel Autobaun said:
comon man your a marshal at least ask sam to fix this busted fkin truce code(which was always bull####)


Joel, I am still waiting for Sam to respond from things I sent him back in November. Adding more to the pile won't get them addressed any faster. Once he replies, I will add this, plus other SCL issues that I discussed with Lord Foul.

If you have anything else related, let me know and I will add it to the list for Sam. (Like a time limit for SCL matches)
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Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:39 am Last edited Jan 31, 2015, 2:40 am by *The X Man*
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this is in fact bs. it's not that you used it, grimm, it's that it works in the first place. it should not. it should be equivalent to a forfeit. the key point is that the opponents did not have the opportunity to decline, nor would they have. nor would i have, frankly, especially against you ;)
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Posted Jan 31, 2015, 4:13 am
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*The X Man* said:
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if you and I agree not to fight, that's a draw, a truce, no one surrenders.

I really don't see how so many people are getting the two things confused.

If it's a option, then I'm allowed to use it. Are you all trying to tell me that in all the years this game has been here, I'm the first person to pay a bounty to get out of a SCL match?


here's an analogy...
X-Man always uses a crosswalk to get across the street. I jay-walk and get across the street faster. He starts whining about how I must have cheated since I crossed the street sooner then he did.

Perfect analogy, cause one's just as silly as the other to complain about.


This is the part why I made the rigged comment. Neither Flame or myself agreed to a bounty. Flame was the team lead. He didn't have any chance to agree to any bounty in the event because the event closed as soon as he entered. So a forced bounty is not a truce, its a surrender and a loss.

The event is done, I am past this because it is what it is and it won't get adjusted, nor do I expect it to.


You don't get to make the choice, it's solely the choice of the person offering the bounty. You might not like it, but thats the rules.
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Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:09 pm
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what gets me is... the big concern about cheats is that it might sway the results of the leagues or break the game. I'm in third place in the league and i haven't fought any battles and i haven't cheated in any way. The leagues were swayed and it appears broken, without using any cheats.

This proves something, if you can allow yourself to see it...

it's only a game, it doesn't matter.
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Posted Jan 31, 2015, 2:13 pm Last edited Jan 31, 2015, 2:14 pm by Grimm Sykes
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*The X Man* said:
Joel Autobaun said:
comon man your a marshal at least ask sam to fix this busted fkin truce code(which was always bull####)


Joel, I am still waiting for Sam to respond from things I sent him back in November. Adding more to the pile won't get them addressed any faster. Once he replies, I will add this, plus other SCL issues that I discussed with Lord Foul.

If you have anything else related, let me know and I will add it to the list for Sam. (Like a time limit for SCL matches)


I see.  Fend for ourselves....check.
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Posted Feb 5, 2015, 5:52 am
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OK simple fix no more truce in SCL if code isn't fixed we know what NOT to do!
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Posted Feb 6, 2015, 5:46 am
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*Boonwolf* said:
OK  simple fix no more truce in SCL if code isn't fixed we know what NOT to do!


I think the problem is the one side does not get an option to reject the truce.

I think the simple solution is to absolutely shun the cheater and slay them whenever possible.
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Posted Feb 7, 2015, 12:01 am
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How about we just shun everyone - and KILL EM ALL!!!!?
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Posted Feb 7, 2015, 3:11 am
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Joel Autobaun said:
*Boonwolf* said:
OK  simple fix no more truce in SCL if code isn't fixed we know what NOT to do!


I think the problem is the one side does not get an option to reject the truce.

I think the simple solution is to absolutely shun the cheater and slay them whenever possible.


really? Using a game feature, that's a cheat. You know what, screw you all, I should join next season and just do it to everybody to prove the point.

you can pressure Sam to fix it or can go cry to your mommy, I don't care. as long as something is a feature of the game, it is available for any and everyone to use it, like it, or not
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Posted Feb 13, 2015, 5:46 am
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here's the thing you never seem to be able to grasp, which is that just because you *can* do something it doesn't mean that you *should* do that thing. this is the core principle of ethics.
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Posted Feb 15, 2015, 5:02 pm
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musashi_san said:
here's the thing you never seem to be able to grasp, which is that just because you *can* do something it doesn't mean that you *should* do that thing. this is the core principle of ethics.


here's the thing you never seem to be able to grasp, which is that just because someone whines about something you *can* do, it doesn't mean that you *shouldn't* do that thing... but this is a game, more-so, a game where you role-play questionable ethics, such as drug use, theft, murder for hire, revenge, gossip, coveting,  etc...

If a GAME allows you to do something, ethics don't come in to the equation. It's a escape from reality, not a exercise in applying morals to your decision making process. I have no problem making the right moral decision, but have you considered maybe I don't want to roleplay someone with morals.

What about the ethics of confronting someone personally, instead of whining to an authority or a crowd of people who weren't even involved? Wheres your core ethical principles? Oh yeah... you weren't involved either. Wheres your ethics of keeping your nose out of things which don't even involve you? If your going to pull the ethics card, your going to have to take a long look in the mirror.

Get a grip and look at the big picture. how did any of this even affect the overall outcome of anything?

ALLAH HU AKBAR
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Posted Feb 16, 2015, 4:02 pm Last edited Feb 16, 2015, 4:15 pm by Grimm Sykes
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Grimm Sykes said:

here's the thing you never seem to be able to grasp, which is that just because someone whines about something you *can* do, it doesn't mean that you *shouldn't* do that thing...

actually i rarely comment on this kind of inane crap. this one just hit a chord because it's scl, which i love, and fair play and honest competition seem central to it, at least to me.

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but this is a game, more-so, a game where you role-play questionable ethics, such as drug use, theft, murder for hire, revenge, gossip, coveting,  etc...

true enough, generally. but scl seems, and again this is just my opinion, like more of a real sport between humans, most of whom i expect to be reasonable, honest, and honorable people.

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If a GAME allows you to do something, ethics don't come in to the equation. It's a escape from reality, not a exercise in applying morals to your decision making process. I have no problem making the right moral decision, but have you considered maybe I don't want to roleplay someone with morals.

that's fine, it just seemed to me like you weren't admitting that, even to yourself. as long as you're comfortable with being known as someone who bends the rules when he can find a loophole, without regard to any standards of right and wrong, that's fine. it's the argument that since the game allows it, it must be ok that i found fault with. or, if i have in some way misunderstood your position or have mis-characterized your stance on this, then i apologize.

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What about the ethics of confronting someone personally, instead of whining to an authority or a crowd of people who weren't even involved? Wheres your core ethical principles? Oh yeah... you weren't involved either.

getting a community consensus on a question of fairness doesn't seem wrong.

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Wheres your ethics of keeping your nose out of things which don't even involve you? If your going to pull the ethics card, your going to have to take a long look in the mirror.

the actual incident i could care less about, it's the overall concept as it relates to scl in general that does actually concern me. and it does. this is the one league i used to actually do, and hope to again.

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Get a grip and look at the big picture. how did any of this even affect the overall outcome of anything?

again, don't really care about the actual incident. i'm actually not even sure this affected the standing or whatever. that's not the point.

Grimm Sykes said:

ALLAH HU AKBAR

this might be taking the whole “While there is a lower class I am in it; while there is a criminal element I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free” thing, which seems very you, and usually in a good way, a bit too far. i guess i'd have to check with goat to see if using a rallying cry frequently seen in protests against freedom of expression, as a way to assert freedom of expression, actually counts as irony. ;)
or maybe i misunderstand you again.

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Posted Feb 16, 2015, 6:38 pm Last edited Feb 16, 2015, 6:43 pm by musashi_san
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yeah, you have.

Sam said in another thread that he isn't seeing it worth his time to continue to fix bugs, and this thing i did wasn't a dishonorable thing. I tried to talk to them and they wouldn't respond. You really should read all of a topic before you reply cause this was already explained in detail on page 1. I also find it impossible to believe this is the first time this has ever happened in what? 9 years? if it can be done it's allowed? try playing a computer game of checkers, will it let you move pieces sideways? no it won't because that would be against the rules that the game was written to follow. This game has no listed rules, only term of service. and the way things interact in the game is arbitrary. A player has to experiment and poke around to figure it all out. If they discover a loophole or the ability to do something that shouldn't be able to be done, that's not their fault. thats the responsibility of the developers. The user may be required to report it, but when reports go un-addressed and un-responded to for years, whats one to think? The common sense response is that since no one cares, it's not a issue. A bunch of players whining may seem like someone cares, but they are powerless to make changes so it's all for nill

and the last line was a jab, because this whole thread is assinine

My whole point is that I didn't do anything dishonorable or wrong. Pointing the finger at me serves no good, it only confuses the issue that things need fixed, by making it look like i'm trying to break the game. It's already broken, and that's not my fault or my problem. I'm taking a attitude to this because fingers are pointing at me when i did nothing wrong, and if that's the disrespect i'm gonna receive, then I'm going to dish it right back out.
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Posted Feb 16, 2015, 7:39 pm Last edited Feb 16, 2015, 7:42 pm by Grimm Sykes
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Bug abuse, exploits and loopholes disrupt the game and damage the enjoyment of the game for everyone. Any effort to employ game bugs, exploits, loopholes, circumvent restrictions on game play or otherwise use non-game features and other programs for personal gain is not allowed.


Grimm u are using the forfeit for personal gain......you gain points and the opposing team lose points that they would have gained had u not shown up.  Logging into the game to just forfiet is childish and you are just doing it cause you can.......it disrupts gameplay and the SCL leaderboards, and as quoted above it is against the game rules so stop doing it.
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Posted Feb 17, 2015, 3:13 am
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Smokey, i'll repeat what I said to Musashi, read the whole thread. It was never my goal to sway points one way or another. In fact your whole response ignores the description of what happened, that was put forth by me or by X-man. How can something be publicly discussed, when it seems no one has the attention span to even follow whats actually going on?

The only thing I was trying to gain was the ability to deal with a family situation that came up and was more important then whining gamers.
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Posted Feb 17, 2015, 4:15 am Last edited Feb 17, 2015, 4:19 am by Grimm Sykes
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If you wanna make up lies accusing me of things I'm not doing, remember, I can treat you the same exact way.

How's that for morals?
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Posted Feb 17, 2015, 4:22 am Last edited Feb 17, 2015, 4:22 am by Grimm Sykes
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longer response when i have more time, but the crux of it is that scl is the one thing i do. over 2 years of it, over a year in the top division. and in my experience, people who screwed up and have a conflict at the scheduled time that they did not deal with in advance, either unset their squad, or don't show up, or show up and resign all cars. all of which results in essentially a loss/forfeit. this is the right thing to do. i've never had someone show up and bounty out, and i know you know the difference.
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Posted Feb 18, 2015, 12:35 am Last edited Feb 18, 2015, 12:36 am by musashi_san
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I had no idea there was a difference in the results, and frankly i don't care anymore if there is or not
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