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musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 does the personal trainer work at places with no training center? like camps, truck stops, or shanty? ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 5:04 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Ragnak said: Drops in training can also be due to the skill closing in on the characters cap. That's true... but for example one ganger got 4 points in handgun last week from 116 to 120, and today 120 to 121, with a known cap of 175. Folks training driving/cycling at low skill levels in the past have gotten 5-6-7 per week in SS with the town boost but today none over 4... ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 5:14 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 I paid 5 chrome on 4 gangers and they got on average 5 points each. (Driving in SS). I also paid 10 chrome for another ganger, but he only got 2 points of driving in SS. A bit of a mixed bag, but I will definitely be paying 5 CHR again, but I won't bother with the 10 CHR unless I see the mechanism and satisfy myself that it was a training form fluke as it seems a poor investment on the face of it. I appreciate that this isn't statistically significant, but I can't afford to spend the CHR to identify the training curve. I'll just reinforce success. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 5:25 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Of all changes, with the exception of nerfing pvp to oblivion, this is the worst. I am certainly a minority, I know. I have become an extremely casual player after 6 years of playing this game. This change killed casual play. I do hope that the chrome game works out for you sam and you find some financial success finally with these extreme changes to the game mechanics...dynamics and monetization. It is certainly not for me. I have a few goals to do before my membership wraps up and my old gangers are dead in hospital, so I will still be around but I have certainly lost my passion for the game. This is a good thing for many as it no more arguments on forums...in lobby or even in pvp events. No longer care. If this sounds like sour grapes, well too bad. We've seen players scream for pvp nerfing changes then leave anyways after they got what they wanted. I needed to post this so at least sam and whomever is advising him knows at least the voice of discontent... even if may be a minority. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 5:36 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Iron Wraith said: I paid 5 chrome on 4 gangers and they got on average 5 points each. (Driving in SS). I also paid 10 chrome for another ganger, but he only got 2 points of driving in SS. A bit of a mixed bag, but I will definitely be paying 5 CHR again, but I won't bother with the 10 CHR unless I see the mechanism and satisfy myself that it was a training form fluke as it seems a poor investment on the face of it. I appreciate that this isn't statistically significant, but I can't afford to spend the CHR to identify the training curve.  I'll just reinforce success. I know the training numbers will always be a hidden factor. I also know players want to see what they are investing in with chrome training. But what if there was a way to keep mystery in skill bumps and give player info on their chrome training? Currently, every character after the weekly update, their training looks something like this,  Gunnery  52  (49). Instead. what if it looked like this,  Gunnery  53  (52)  (49) The characters current skill level at the time of the weekly update is 49. The next skill number, 52, is what they received from their standard training. The green number, 53, would indicate chrome training received for this week. These are all still just numbers that don't show you any training form info, but it will now show you that chrome training worked and was issued to the character. The biggest issue is that no one can current tell what impact chrome had in regard s to training. This would be a much better way for players to see it worked. And if the skill bump was deemed high enough, those players may tend to repeat chrome training the following week. Since there are 2 chrome training options, maybe letting a green font color indicate the 5 chrome purchase and a different color, example orange, would indicate the 10 chrome training. Would this format be acceptable to players that this info shows on your character page?? And that it would be an easier way to select and track your type of character training? ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 7:11 pm Last edited Sep 12, 2014, 7:12 pm by *The X Man*

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 With solid Motivators place... The "new" form of training is ineffectual. Allow Chrome to be a multiplier of whatever strength.. Bottom Line PLEASE PUT BACK THE OLD TRAINING, IT WORKED - THE CURRENT INCARNATION IS GANG CRIPPLING! ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 7:18 pm

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 It does appear that the new changes skew things a lot lower. I have fewer guys getting good skill gains and more with 0 to 1 skill gains. Also, did motivator get nerfed? ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,92,1 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 7:25 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Necrotech said: PLEASE PUT BACK THE OLD TRAINING, IT WORKED - THE CURRENT INCARNATION IS GANG CRIPPLING! I have a completely honest and open question, because I want to understand better, how is training now crippling your gang?? Maybe I look at this differently than others or train my gang differently than others so I don't see what you are talking about. Perhaps a little better explanation will give all of us and Sam a better understanding. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 7:39 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 How is it not? Especially when training skils, that have no other way of training. First Aid, etc... When you have motivators, when I have been seeing fairly consistant (5-6) results until all of a sudden drop to 1 maybe 2 points across the board? No. While I agree the monetization from this game is neccessary, Hamstringing a basic function of the game, even if subscribed / premium, for the sake of gaining more currency, is not something I agree with. I like to see a balance of things, or least the oppurtunity for balance, This.... This is not it. This is definitely onto the slippery slope, I fear. If this starts turning into a MWO or similiar situation in regards to this game, I am not sure I could stomach that, Even after the substantial mental and other investments I have placed with this game. Prolly shelve it at that point. *The X Man* said: Necrotech said: PLEASE PUT BACK THE OLD TRAINING, IT WORKED - THE CURRENT INCARNATION IS GANG CRIPPLING! I have a completely honest and open question, because I want to understand better, how is training now crippling your gang?? Maybe I look at this differently than others or train my gang differently than others so I don't see what you are talking about. Perhaps a little better explanation will give all of us and Sam a better understanding. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 8:03 pm

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 It definitely is worth seeing what Sam has on this. I would assume that the percentage of travel time each character had was still calculated against training time as opposed to what he initially indicated was going away. If not, the results are even skewed to the worse. ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 12, 2014, 8:18 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 I've also noticed a drop in regular training - almost no one is getting 4-5 points from training (or up to 8 for drivers/cyclists in SS etc). I did experiment with the 10/ch wk training on one gal and she gained 5 psi in SS, so that seems to be working. So it does seem the change nerfed regular training - which is pretty odd since regular training is now 500/wk... I'll wait to see if this improves over towns with Motivator guys - I assume everyone's training form got reset and they'll be a period of adjustment Oh, and Sam said they'll be training in every town but so far this doesn't seem to be implemented ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 8:42 pm Last edited Sep 12, 2014, 8:43 pm by Juris

Alec Burke Overlanders Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Sep 5, 2010 Ragnak said: I would assume that the percentage of travel time each character had was still calculated against training time as opposed to what he initially indicated was going away. If not, the results are even skewed to the worse. Travel time hasn't been figured into training since late July. I asked Sam about this when I saw that the hours listed for all my gangers didn't change for a couple of weeks and noticed that the couriers who normally spend 120+ hours a week on the road were starting to get 2,3 or 4 points of training when they'd normally at most get 1. As LF pointed out earlier, the way the two CHR options are currently set-up to work, they really are best used on those who you know are at the higher end of their training form.  I spend 5CHR on a guy who'd been getting mostly 2 per week for a while and this week he went up 3. On the other hand, I spent 10CHR on a gal who'd been getting 3 or 4 per week and she got 7. Both were training handguns, so getting 7 points is something that simply wasn't possible previously. On the other hand, the majority of my gang continues to just use the premium training center bonus and generally seems to be getter lesser training than they used to. I attribute that to the mentioned change in how training form now stays closer to 1.0, but with a level 11 motivator I'd like to think I should have a good number of my gang at above average training form. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp2 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 8:45 pm

*K1500* Big Dumb Object Autodueller Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 394 Joined: Dec 29, 2011 I'll just add in some additional feedback in here. I usually only see between 0-3 point skill gains (only got between MOT2 - MOT5 though my towns) myself on the regular training ($500DW). I did experiment with a couple of gangers on the CHR10 training option. I did get one good gain - 5pts in PSI (though I was using SCL training vouchers on him as well). The other 2 gangers got 2 and 3 points (in SS and TX). I do recognise that I could just have a whole crap load of gangers with really poor training form. I'm not judging, just providing additional data to what people have observed. K ......................... vet wv zom circuit1 storm2013 circuit3 marshal pvp2 ped2 pvp4 circuit2 ped1 gwped0,1,0 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 8:54 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *The X Man* said: Necrotech said: PLEASE PUT BACK THE OLD TRAINING, IT WORKED - THE CURRENT INCARNATION IS GANG CRIPPLING! I have a completely honest and open question, because I want to understand better, how is training now crippling your gang?? Maybe I look at this differently than others or train my gang differently than others so I don't see what you are talking about. Perhaps a little better explanation will give all of us and Sam a better understanding. im really missing the point here too...  im seeing very little difference ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 10:31 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Necrotech said: How is it not? Especially when training skils, that have no other way of training. First Aid, etc... When you have motivators, when I have been seeing fairly consistant (5-6) results until all of a sudden drop to 1 maybe 2 points across the board? No. Ok, so what I understand now is that getting 1-2 points of training less a week is crippling? I can understand your frustration, but IMO, it is not crippling. Your characters still drive and shoot, they still scout and travel, they still complete in leagues just the same as they did before. This reply isn't to start a forum war. I am just stating a different view on how I see things. I do not rely heavily on motivators and mentors. I rely on my ability during events where training is at its best. So far, I get consistent results week in and week out with the standard training. Yes, there has been a slight drop in skill amounts. My 5 point increases fell to 4. That didn't bother me, but it may to others. I do see where FA and PSI would feel the pinch more due to the skill having no field training, especially in towns without the training centers. I did take note that one of my guys training in PSI and in a town with no training center and using the standard training (no chrome) and he still got 7 points this week. That was not a typo, s e v e n points. I was shocked, but I now know it is possible to still get good training boosts regardless of the toned down training form. I will probably be in the minority, but I don't manage training to get maximum results every single week. My guys train in a skill and whatever they get at weeks end is what they get. So no stress or worry, instead I go out and do the things that are fun, social scouts and leagues. Then I let the training happen on its own. The game is a lot more enjoyable that way. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 10:40 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Without getting into loads and loads of rhetoric... Simply put, Leave the training form alone. While the rates have increased, the value of received training has bottomed out. Let previous form stand, allow Chrome to be some sort of multiplier. Simple, efficient. Not have us pay in Chrome for what we already had in the first place. ------- End Note - While you may gotten 7 points, X, that is an anomaly, certainly not the norm. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 11:15 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Bolt Thrower said: It does appear that the new changes skew things a lot lower.  I have fewer guys getting good skill gains and more with 0 to 1 skill gains.  Also, did motivator get nerfed?  Motivator didn't get changed directly... but the affects of training form were reduced, and all motivator does is help better your training form. So yes, but indirectly. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 11:23 pm Last edited Sep 12, 2014, 11:23 pm by d0dger

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Necrotech said: While the rates have increased, the value of received training has bottomed out. Simple, efficient. Not have us pay in Chrome for what we already had in the first place. ------- End Note - While you may gotten 7 points, X, that is an anomaly, certainly not the norm. I can agree with you on those two points, especially the second. Yes, my 7 points was most likely a rare occurrence. I only pointed that out to show good training can still happen even with all the changes that have been done.  ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 11:25 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Bolt Thrower said: It does appear that the new changes skew things a lot lower.  I have fewer guys getting good skill gains and more with 0 to 1 skill gains.  Also, did motivator get nerfed?  My SS guys ($500 training center + Motivator 4) gained between 1 and 3.  The vast majority gaining 2.  Previously I gained DOUBLE this (3 to 6 with most gaining 4).  My 2 test Chrome guys 5CHR gained 5. Reports from others indicate their 5CHR guys gained at least double what their 10CHR guys.  Is there a bug here?  The gains for 10CHR we no more than gains for $500 which seems to mean it had no effect at all. Another oddity:  while my SS crew got 2 points for $500, my Morgan crew who have no TC and got their skill up for FREE gained the following: 3, 4, 5, and 5 ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 12, 2014, 11:32 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *StCrispin* said: Another oddity:  my Morgan crew who have no TC and got their skill up for FREE gained the following: 3, 4, 5, and 5 Thats because they all attended my Morgan Night Training Class on the weekends  My Morgan crew got 2, 4, 5 ,5 & 5. Seems to be the place to be  ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 13, 2014, 12:11 am Last edited Sep 13, 2014, 12:14 am by *The X Man*

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