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Premium training centres

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Advanced training centres have now been added to the game (as announced earlier in the summer).  The most important bits: - Premium players' characters get weekly 'offline' training (i.e. in addition to whatever they get from events). This can be taken for free, in which case all you need to do is select the skill you want each character to train, from one of the town training centres - By paying DW$500/week, a character gets to use training facilities and therefore accelerated offline training. Again, this only works for Premium players - By paying CHR5 or CHR10 per week, a character gets further improved offline training through use of training facilities and personal trainers. This is available to all players, Premium or Free. Obviously the CHR10 option gives the best possible offline training, although it is *not* twice as good as the CHR5 option. - Characters' skillcaps are not changed by offline training of any sort. I.e. it helps them advance faster but doesn't affect their final potential. Some more details: - The concept of 'time out of town' has been removed, so therefore all characters get full training regardless of how much travel etc. they have done in the week. - However, activity level remain as a factor, as it does with most activities that characters do. I.e. if a character is at 80% activity level, then their offline training is only 80% effective. - Another factor which remains is 'training form', which is a hidden stat reflecting how well each character is training at the moment. It fluctuates over a period of weeks/months. It has been reduced in importance however (since earlier this summer) so offline training is less unpredictable than it used to be. - The concept of some towns not having training centres at all has been removed.. what this means in practice is that use of training facilities will no longer be paused if the character is in a camp or truckstop on a Friday morning when offline training happens. - Each town remains more effective at training in some skills and less effective in others. Camps are generally not very effective except for mechanic skill. The numbers: Assuming free offline training has a relative training speed of 1.0 unit per week, then: - DW$500/week training gives a relative training speed of 2.0 units - CHR5/week gives a relative training speed of 3.75 units - CHR10/week gives a relative training speed of 4.5 units - The actual meaning of 'x units' is specific to a character and their training form. As a character gets close to their skillcap, training always slows down. Their training form also has an effect (positive or negative) as does the town they're in and the skill they're training ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 5:10 pm Last edited Sep 5, 2014, 6:11 pm by *sam*

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 In all fairness, I think you have to flesh out a bit more what each of the training options means. I don't mind having hidden rules and factors when we only had one training option because it was what it was. However, when you branch into actual money transaction for chrome and offer faster training, you need to better define how each level distinguishes itself. How exactly does the 5 chrome version of training separate itself from standard premium training? Case in point, I have over 60 gangers which would equate to over 600 chrome for top training per week..... and I don't have any clue what that gives me over and above the standard training. Would you spend over $7 each week to buy chrome for a feature not defined well in a game? ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 5, 2014, 5:39 pm

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 Maybe a x% bump on given skill gains rather than bet the blind. Real money for unknown don't sit well with people. ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 5:45 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Another factor is letting players know that this accelerated training will or will not affect a characters skill cap. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 5:50 pm Last edited Sep 5, 2014, 5:51 pm by *The X Man*

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *The X Man* said: Another factor is letting players know that this accelerated training will or will not affect a characters skill cap. ok, done. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:05 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Boonwolf* said: Maybe a x% bump on given skill gains rather than bet the blind.  Real money for unknown don't sit well with people. OK, I'll add this. At least it's not giving away actual numbers directly. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:05 pm

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 Thank you sir. Perhaps you might consider a gang toggle which would allow all gangers for a subscriber to have everyone trained at a chrome discount. ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:22 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Sam - I am not sure if this is the intent, but has caused some confusion with me on this topic - I look in the training center and it says I have 70 of 71 gangers training at the $500/week level. I have no idea which guy I am missing. He must be in a town or camp where there isnt a training center? Having to drive every one of my gang members not in SS, Elms, Texan, or Sars to a training Center to find this 1 guy would be horrible. Is there another way to find this guy? Also, can I only change the training option for a ganger if he is in a town with a training center? Again, see the considerable inconvenience that this would generate as per explain in the paragraph above. Can this be fixed? ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:37 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Longo* said: Sam - I am not sure if this is the intent, but has caused some confusion with me on this topic - I look in the training center and it says I have 70 of 71 gangers training at the $500/week level. I have no idea which guy I am missing. He must be in a town or camp where there isnt a training center? Having to drive every one of my gang members not in SS, Elms, Texan, or Sars to a training Center to find this 1 guy would be horrible. Is there another way to find this guy? Also, can I only change the training option for a ganger if he is in a town with a training center? Again, see the considerable inconvenience that this would generate as per explain in the paragraph above. Can this be fixed? I have thrown in a quick link that lets you see the characters in each group ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:52 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Longo, next to the number of characters training is a link [who?], you should be able to click this and see all who are training. Then you should notice the name of who is not. I just tried that link on my page and that link is not working. Hopefully Sam can verify this is the way to check your crew and who is actually training. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:54 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Sam is fast and on the ball today, link now works! ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:55 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Another training question Sam. Will accelerated rehab training be included? If so, will the amounts be the same or cost more since it is technically a medical facility? Just IMO, it should be included because it IS something we select and choose to train in and pay for. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 6:57 pm Last edited Sep 5, 2014, 7:01 pm by *The X Man*

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Ok, the new feature is good. But I want to spend Chrome on 2 of my guys in GW right now. I cant get the option to change their training without driving to SS. Same with any of my 20+ guys in camp. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 7:19 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *Longo* said: Ok, the new feature is good. But I want to spend Chrome on 2 of my guys in GW right now. I cant get the option to change their training without driving to SS. Same with any of my 20+ guys in camp.    I am pretty sure you can only change to chrome training in a town that has a training center. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 7:31 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *The X Man* said: *Longo* said: Ok, the new feature is good. But I want to spend Chrome on 2 of my guys in GW right now. I cant get the option to change their training without driving to SS. Same with any of my 20+ guys in camp.    I am pretty sure you can only change to chrome training in a town that has a training center. At this point, it appears so. But considering that with my gang alone, Sam would be potentially losing 710 Chrome(approx $10.50 US, 7.50 Euros) sales a week, maybe he would like this option more accessible? ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 7:38 pm Last edited Sep 5, 2014, 7:39 pm by *Longo*

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Ok. I am a non-premium. I spend 5 Chr per week on a character. What is the likely effect. There is no point in it providing a multiplier to my training as non-premium skill rises due to training has up to now been zero. I am putting it on one low skill driver in SS as a test but I'd like some indication on what it is going to do. It would also be useful top know the ranges of skill increases that are likely to be seen from the various options. All this under the bonnet stuff was fine when we had no control over it and the only choice was what you trained, if you are able to choose your level of training that choice needs to be informed, especially if I have to fork out Chrome for which I have to pay real money for. I presume if I say I am paying the $500 per week and am not premium that training boost wont happen and the money won't be debited either. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 8:07 pm Last edited Sep 5, 2014, 8:07 pm by Iron Wraith

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *Longo* said: *The X Man* said: *Longo* said: Ok, the new feature is good. But I want to spend Chrome on 2 of my guys in GW right now. I cant get the option to change their training without driving to SS. Same with any of my 20+ guys in camp.    I am pretty sure you can only change to chrome training in a town that has a training center. At this point, it appears so. But considering that with my gang alone, Sam would be potentially losing 710 Chrome(approx $10.50 US, 7.50 Euros) sales a week, maybe he would like this option more accessible? More than have your gang is in SS or ELMS, so just your DW and camp guys would be unavailable for chrome training. So you have plenty of characters to spend your chrome on  I understand your point, but that's where choices come into play. Do they stay at camp and build rare stuff or get accelerated training in town instead. Its kind of like picking a specialism, sniper or machine guns? They both have their advantages, but you can only pick one. I keep guys in SV, BL and GW for scouting because I can get better loot there, but the trade off for that is no chrome training. Different scenarios with different perks. A few more player opinions on this may help come up with some new ideas. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 9:05 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I think casual play just took one in the nuts. I guess rather... if you dont want to scout your face off...you'd better shine up your chrome. Actually I guess scout as much as you like since it doesnt affect training form. Ugg... juan is happy... drive all over evan in 40 squads and max out scout in a week then get full training. Sorry...I am.... this just doesn't sit well amd I have to add more than just 2c. Sam are you using the rules council or running this stuff past any longer termers? I think you need a test environment and im sure youd get volunteers to test changes in game as well. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 9:25 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *The X Man* said: *Longo* said: *The X Man* said: *Longo* said: Ok, the new feature is good. But I want to spend Chrome on 2 of my guys in GW right now. I cant get the option to change their training without driving to SS. Same with any of my 20+ guys in camp.    I am pretty sure you can only change to chrome training in a town that has a training center. At this point, it appears so. But considering that with my gang alone, Sam would be potentially losing 710 Chrome(approx $10.50 US, 7.50 Euros) sales a week, maybe he would like this option more accessible? More than have your gang is in SS or ELMS, so just your DW and camp guys would be unavailable for chrome training. So you have plenty of characters to spend your chrome on  I understand your point, but that's where choices come into play. Do they stay at camp and build rare stuff or get accelerated training in town instead. Its kind of like picking a specialism, sniper or machine guns? They both have their advantages, but you can only pick one. I keep guys in SV, BL and GW for scouting because I can get better loot there, but the trade off for that is no chrome training. Different scenarios with different perks. A few more player opinions on this may help come up with some new ideas. X- I appreciate you letting me know how you play DW, however I do not play your style and would like to play my own way. So, if I could hear from Sam rather than you interjecting your thoughts on how I should play DW, I would very much appreciate it. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 10:53 pm Last edited Sep 5, 2014, 10:53 pm by *Longo*

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: I think casual play just took one in the nuts.  I guess rather... if you dont want to scout your face off...you'd better shine up your chrome.  Actually I guess scout as much as you like since it doesnt affect training form.  Ugg... juan is happy... drive all over evan in 40 squads and max out scout in a week then get full training. Sorry...I am.... this just doesn't sit well amd I have to add more than just 2c. Sam are you using the rules council or running this stuff past any longer termers?  I think you need a test environment and im sure youd get volunteers to test changes in game as well. I have to tentatively side with Joel on this.  While I think SOME sort of Chrome Training should exist, I have a sinking feeling that this creates a pay to win environment from a new player perspective or at the least a "milking machine" feature. I also have concerned feelings about the removal of town specific training centers but am glad it will mean camps won't have as large of a training gap (a lot of my camp guys with motivator 4 in camp only got 2 points every 3 weeks for a total of 2/3 of a point per week average). I'm not necessarily strongly against, but I have an uneasy feeling about it.  It also feels like it removes a lot of depth. I STRONGLY DISLIKE the removal of the effects of Travel Time!.  However, with that being removed how about an EXHAUSTION LEVEL that is like the activity % which indicates the gangers focus?  If my guy scouted 18 of the past 24 hours and did this every day of the week, he won't be paying a lot of attention in "class" ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 5, 2014, 11:15 pm Last edited Sep 5, 2014, 11:17 pm by *StCrispin*

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