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My First Deathrally, Joel again

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 As for coe. Lets all be intellectually honest for a least this subject. First I owe no explainations. I get to play this game exactly how I like to play it..just like you all are so proud to say... if you are whackin dumb ass npcs from a cliff and scoring millions in loot each day or trucing your way to easy fat man profits on the trade route. All completely safe from my deprivations. So you join a pvp event... probably the last town PVP event that truly is one. And you act all butt hurt and confused that it degraded to a debaucle. Well its the only real game in town. The prizes I no longer care about. ..other than to deny them if possible to enemies. So they get mad and fight me for real. (Camp war or get the game changed to pvp open again). There you have it. The motivation. It failed but at least I gave it a shot. Yes I would like to have an even fight as cr matching does work in wild or camp fights. But people choose to get pvp in coe...for those prizes...but its very unfair...and yet they choose not to fight when its.fair. I am done figuring that one out. I started coe chasing after lord foul with blood lust. I never did red people unless we were feuding and you can ask the ones of the past..that is my MO . PT Latte...and even firefly. The list goes on..but in coe I was all by myself until latte and I think badger joined up...me and nec against them...and here we are Rh against all alley. I dont write the rules I play the game. Stop whining. Coe is the last refuge of true hate. Deal with it. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 4:40 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 5:07 pm by Joel Autobaun

Racing Robbie The White Ashes Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: Jul 3, 2012 Joel – if it was truly PvP you are after, then why do you stand with one the of the strongest group of players? If it was PvP you wanted, then all the players in the event would have been targets, but no, rather you picked on the one player not part of your group and lynched him, then drove to the end of the event without firing another shot. If it was PvP you are after why aren’t you a renegade preying on everyone? Your actions suggest that you want PvP your way and not true PvP – so I ask you, are you being honest? ......................... vet wv northernsummer e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 slay2013 pvp3 ww pvp1 semiprocombat0,1,0 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 4:58 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I guess I figured they would join robin jood or the alley. I figured someone might get pissed off enough to try to hurt our camp. Na just login the forum and complain...that ALWAYS WORKS. I was for years accused of fixing leagues. When I played alone. When alo and xander did it when latte and friends did it. I was alone. Still when latte and goat and a few others beat the tar out of me on the very first coe..I was still a common topic on forums. So that why I fullfilled the forum prophecy. And now I am fulfilling another forum prophecy. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 5:05 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 5:11 pm by Joel Autobaun

Racing Robbie The White Ashes Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: Jul 3, 2012 Joel. No-one can fault your experience, you are one of the longest serving players in the game. No-one can fault your desire for PvP, and there is a place for full all brutal PvP in the game. But who is their right mind is going to attack The Alley And to be fair I have nothing against The Alley, I might not agree with the actions but at least I can understand them. But you have to look at your actions in this case – is that really going to get people into the field fighting you or is it going just get people bitching at you again. Which as we all know you love………… If you want people to join COE and fight, then make them neutral, no camp loyalties and fight everyone. Do that and you’ll find more people willing to join for the fight, me included when real life allows. Where’s the fun watching your car being turning into scrap whilst the other cars form a parade to the finish. Same goes for everyone, no more team order in the COEs, it’s a free for all, and lets get back to enjoying them. ......................... vet wv northernsummer e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 slay2013 pvp3 ww pvp1 semiprocombat0,1,0 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 5:30 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 This whole post has just gotten ridiculous. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 5:35 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Yeah, it has. I'm looking into it. Maybe there's game design flaws at play here, together with the kind of tensions that an unforgiving perma-death game is likely to create... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 6:27 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 Yeah, but this bit is SO awesome- " Coe is the last refuge of true hate. " Spoken like a true Bastard! I laughed my ass off when I read that, made my morning! ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jan 7, 2014, 6:54 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Joel Autobaun said: As for coe. Edit, Snip, Edit I started coe chasing after lord foul with blood lust.  I never did red people unless we were feuding and you can ask the ones of the past..that is my MO .  PT Latte...and even firefly.  The list goes on..but in coe I was all by myself until latte and I think badger joined up...me and nec against them...and here we are Rh against all alley.  I dont write the rules I play the game.  Stop whining.  Coe is the last refuge of true hate.  Deal with it. Actually the history is a little more than that... quite lot in fact. But I will give it my from my perspective. In my first COE's Latte, Tango (occasionally), and some former Custom Iron crew would be on Joel like white on rice. Many times  2, 3, or 4 to 1 First time I ever saw a FE in a COE, it was from Latte..  Joel got up on a hill in Elms and mangled the hell out of it, but after a long tussle with other vehicles. Somewhere, down the line Wobily got involved... by hunting Joel no less. Now by this point, I was still "new", Snipe and I shot each other for fun and giggles. Joel and Longo were still deadbooking my peds in Ped combat leagues, and then I started my very first SCL team. Juris pops in saying that he and Joel want to join up on the team and me the ropes. So that began... Then that very same season Wobs, Latte, and couple others.... still chasing Joel.. sometimes they won and Joel would get redded, other times... not the case. Joel still severely the underdog at that point (based on numbers) and I decided to help balance the odds a bit (I was still rather underpowered and sometimes overwhelmed at the skill of these guys, seriously a sight to behold back in those days) The last event that season, Juris and I joined the fracas, I brought a HCR/CC BPU (a design well copied ever since) and Juris with his twin HFT BPU. Joel brought a TT with cc's and mortars. Wobs had his Heavy laser Osprey and Latte his FE o' death. The FE went down within 4 rounds of live weapons, cow tipped, and then he resigned. Wobs hightailed it... Juris and I gave chase... treed him on a hill... Joel after some time began the mortar rain, then Wobs resigned.. no death, but wild. Now this sort of epic fighting went on for sometime, JS would jump in from time to time (and certainly not on Joel's side). Most times, we were still outgunned. Then it tapered, Juris went and did Juris things... only occasionally Latte would show.. (last time he was in BL , with another FE, 2 bpu's vs FE, @ long range, again Epic) Then it was just me and Joel vs the entire field in COE. Those were some good times, and yes.. we were successful (or at least he was) but not generally malicious... People grumbled a bit, Juan and Zed paid people (Those people KNOW what I am talking about) to get me for other unrelated things going on at the time. I would jump all over Blackwill for running his mouth in the forums.. But still, it was fun.. Then some people created a coalition against myself and Joel. A lot of the times it was sometime 4, 5, hell even 6 against 2. Supposedly it was a "class warfare" thing but to this day I still don't buy that. Success breeds contempt is my belief on that, but by now those same people are exceptionally successful *BECAUSE* of this. Then others jumped in both side... Longo, Foul (He did this to have Joel stop shooting his turin fleet, I swear!), Wobs, Meles, and others joined up based on mindset and philosophy. Then Tez... good old Tez... he and another's words and actions, fueled the flames beyond just hard competition. Then it became a war that lasted, even long after Tez had left. Since then, something was lost... people on both sides changed somewhat. Since then, everything got polarized vs homogenized. - Now, I am not opposed to having various factions fight and compete. The camps at one time were clans, not just free gear and free fixies. The Alley is probably the last of the great competition houses. I will not apologize for that, because that took a lot of work from many people involved. We as members are loyal to each other as much as this game and real life allows. It isn't about knowing that your friends have your back. It's knowing that you have theirs. Despite the negative commentary, others misgivings, our mistakes, and sometimes, and yes, the failures, I am proud of this camp's members, and their accomplishments within the game. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 7:11 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Allowing Joel to skate over redding out someone's gangers because of a forum dispute? What's next? "I redded him out because he cut me off in a deathrace a few weeks back".. Wait for it... ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 7:43 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Blackwill said: Allowing Joel to skate over redding out someone's gangers because of a forum dispute?  What's next?  "I redded him out because he cut me off in a deathrace a few weeks back".. Wait for it... I'd red you too but at least you know it and know why.  Spenner insulted me on the forum and elsewhere.  I speak back , in the game. I'd like to add there is an ingane punishment for post redsign shots. Somerset pays nearly a thousand per bastard.  Too bad the economy is so screwed that is a pittance.  I will pay 500000 per dead bastard.  No joke from now on at least 500x my in game bounty. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 7:49 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 7:53 pm by Joel Autobaun

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Well, shoot...now I have to re-sub. There goes my beer money... ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 7:54 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jan 7, 2014, 8:09 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: I'd like to add there is an ingane punishment for post redsign shots. Somerset pays nearly a thousand per bastard.  Too bad the economy is so screwed that is a pittance.  I will pay 500000 per dead bastard.  No joke from now on at least 500x my in game bounty. Well played Joel, I have to give you Props for that. ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 8:33 pm

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 *sam* said: Yeah, it has. I'm looking into it. Maybe there's game design flaws at play here, together with the kind of tensions that an unforgiving perma-death game is likely to create... I think the issue I some ways is what facility is missing which is the facility to challenge another player to a fight. I think if the game had the facility to pre arrange a combat in the wild or an arena where you can set the skill level and CR limits and can challenge anyone you want but they have the right to refuse then you have a great PVP platform. Players that want a more dangerous world can be PVP open although clearly few people want that as it just leads to the rich and highly skilled ganger owning gangs going around picking on people. If this was available and for example Joel had a beef with me he could issue a challenge specify CR limit, skill limit and whether it was a to the death and if I had the bottle i could accept. That way it wouldn't just be Joel and all his friends picking on someone. The leagues then could be more open to actual competition in the event as it was designed to be. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:11 pm

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 Bigspenner said: I think the issue I some ways is what facility is missing which is the facility to challenge another player to a fight. etc, etc. not so, it's called a squad challenge. not often used, but it's there. lacks the *oh crap* moment of being intercepted, the evil maniacal cackling of doing the intercepting, and the ongoing competitiveness and rewards of scl, but it's there. there's also a combat ladder challenge, which is basically the same thing (sort of). ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:15 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 9:17 pm by musashi_san

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 Bigspenner said: *sam* said: Yeah, it has. I'm looking into it. Maybe there's game design flaws at play here, together with the kind of tensions that an unforgiving perma-death game is likely to create... I think the issue I some ways is what facility is missing which is the facility to challenge another player to a fight. I think if the game had the facility to pre arrange a combat in the wild or an arena where you can set the skill level and CR limits and can challenge anyone you want but they have the right to refuse then you have a great PVP platform. Players that want a more dangerous world can be PVP open although clearly few people want that as it just leads to the rich and highly skilled ganger owning gangs going around picking on people. If this was available and for example Joel had a beef with me he could issue a challenge specify CR limit, skill limit and whether it was a to the death and if I had the bottle i could accept. That way it wouldn't just be Joel and all his friends picking on someone. The leagues then could be more open to actual competition in the event as it was designed to be. You can do this with a squad challenge and with an agreement between players any time you want.  Would be nice to allow other maps than the gates maps to be used though, and maybe even the arenas without the 2 characters to a car rule and other limiting factors of in-town events. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:16 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Not a bad idea. But then people just refuse... no penalty for refusing challenge...or no reward for accepting...perhaps a free bash joel forum post for even accepting? ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:16 pm

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 musashi_san said: Bigspenner said: I think the issue I some ways is what facility is missing which is the facility to challenge another player to a fight. etc, etc. not so, it's called a squad challenge. not often used, but it's there. lacks the *oh crap* moment of being intercepted, the evil maniacal cackling of doing the intercepting, and the ongoing competitiveness and rewards of scl, but it's there. I know it is not as viscerally appealing, but DW:Tactical works also.  I would do that. ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,92,1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:19 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 THUNDERDOOOOOOOOOOME!!!!!!! ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:23 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Necrotech said: This coming from a person who conspired to literally eliminate the Vault? Remember those stones Firefly, remember those stones.... FireFly said: Oh Alley, if you only knew how many players (and potential PvP players) you guys have driven away from the game. I never bothered to participate much in this whole mess but the whole RH thing was clearly a result of actions The Alley took, cause and effect, think on that before shifting blame around. GrowlingBadger said: Then do what RH did (more effectively)and band together - the game mechanics work for sorting things out. Yes, history not only in this game but real history to clearly shows that forming highly antagonistic partisan cabals to counter other highly antagonistic cabals is a winning strategy, it never goes wrong, surely it must work this time to /sarcasm Comparing a year long, factional, vendetta driven fight that has pushed lots of players out of the game and has been fought mostly by rigging and redding people in deathrace events to, well... A month of open PvP warfare that had nothing to do with town events? Wow, those similarities. Even then, "Conspired to destroy a camp", lol, are you serious? It was a camp war, The Vault had already launched attacks on the defending camp and they were quite simply not prepared for a counterattack in force since they were attacking a camp of mostly lesser players. There are no hidden agendas here nor are there thing to read between the lines, it was a massive attack for sure, an attack that would end the war even, as intended! Even then, that's quite clearly what it was and it was nothing like the current situation. Please Necro, you're not stupid, you know this is a flawed comparison at best. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 8, 2014, 12:29 am Last edited Jan 8, 2014, 12:38 am by FireFly

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