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My First Deathrally, Joel again

*Jagged Monkey* Bazooka Joes Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 594 Joined: Jul 13, 2010 I look to my cross hairs for guidance! ......................... vet wv combatL1 semiprocombat marshal elmsautumn northernsummer0,1,0 Posted Jan 6, 2014, 11:28 pm

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 I seem to have dragged up a much bigger subject than I had realised here as all this Alley and RH stuff prdates my active playing of Darkwind as I have only bee subbed for 18 months. I have no idea who Shark is or was. Joel we don't have history, you wouldn't reschedule the event. If fact all we have is your issues. It seems I am not the first to receive your unwarranted attention and there is actually a term for the killing of surrendered players for no reason. Greifing. I didn't know that either. Amazing what I am learning. I am not a member of any of the alliances and I guess that's what makes me an easy target too. I didn't know or expect that there were leagues I wouldn't be allowed in by the Alley and I would certainly warn any new players not to risk any kind of disagreement with Joel. It seems history repeats itself. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jan 7, 2014, 12:47 am

PvtParty Paceys Raiders Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 692 Joined: Aug 5, 2012 I think there are two main elements here: 1 - Griefing *Sam* needs to review the event in question, and if he thinks it was griefing, some form of punishment should be applied. If he disagrees with it being griefing, end of! 2 - Alley Tactics As BigSpender says, it's curious that the tactics they use remove competition, when, from other posts made by Joel, it's quite clear that it's the one thing he craves, particularly in a PVP situation. I encountered similar tactics in the other CoE event on Sunday (though without any griefing) - me v. 4 Alley members, who'd quite clearly set up to prevent me from being any threat. Not that there would have been much threat anyway - my BPU (with noob gangers) would have been little challenge to Joel's super-fast racer with heavy laser. All it did was rob me of any chance of even attempting the course, though I did have a brief but entertaining duel with LionCheetas. As it stands, it makes entering these events practically pointless, which is a shame. ......................... vet wv ss2fl67 pvp5 paintball pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:15 am

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 PA Racers said: Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. That's interesting, I never saw that. It has been my perspective that if there is some kind of war going on for what ever reason then you do what you need to do - if your allies are being redded then you red your common enemies guys when you get the opportunity. If this quote is genuine then redding should never happen deliberately? GB ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:52 am

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 "As it stands, it makes entering these events practically pointless, which is a shame." Then do what RH did (more effectively)and band together - the game mechanics work for sorting things out. GB ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 9:54 am

Racing Robbie The White Ashes Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: Jul 3, 2012 It’s a shame when events end up like the COE I and II where it’s the Alley in one and the rest in the other – it’s the main reason I don’t bother with I and II. Also the best time slot for me is the Alley event. And I don’t see the point of taking a beating for no reason. Now the COE III is great fun, I’ve done both time slots and there is a wide range of players in them. Some of the best racing/competition happens there and what’s more it’s fun. It seems a shame that we can’t get that happening more. Even the Christmas events seems to have ended up as Them vs Us – which was a shame as these special events are few and far between. I much rather say that I helped save Santa because I still believe in him than any other reason ......................... vet wv northernsummer e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 slay2013 pvp3 ww pvp1 semiprocombat0,1,0 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 10:27 am

Racing Robbie The White Ashes Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: Jul 3, 2012 GrowlingBadger said: PA Racers said: Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. That's interesting, I never saw that. It has been my perspective that if there is some kind of war going on for what ever reason then you do what you need to do - if your allies are being redded then you red your common enemies guys when you get the opportunity. If this quote is genuine then redding should never happen deliberately? GB Certainly not the way it happened in this event, where a CC/RL armed BPU sat on the higher ground and emptied it magazines in to a resigned car - it wasn't a competition it was a lynching Not funny ......................... vet wv northernsummer e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 slay2013 pvp3 ww pvp1 semiprocombat0,1,0 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 10:32 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 GrowlingBadger said: PA Racers said: Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. That's interesting, I never saw that. It has been my perspective that if there is some kind of war going on for what ever reason then you do what you need to do - if your allies are being redded then you red your common enemies guys when you get the opportunity. If this quote is genuine then redding should never happen deliberately? GB Your original understanding is correct. There *are* legitimate circumstances for players to want to kill each other's gangers, and I think it would be an unnecessary sanitization of the game if this possibility were removed altogether. What Shark did was totally random/arbitrary attacks, which is griefing. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 10:54 am Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 10:55 am by *sam*

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Bigspenner said: I seem to have dragged up a  much bigger subject than I had realised here as all this Alley and RH stuff prdates my active playing of Darkwind as I have only bee subbed for 18 months. ummm, no... RH formed roughly 12 months ago. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 11:45 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Oh Alley, if you only knew how many players (and potential PvP players) you guys have driven away from the game. I never bothered to participate much in this whole mess but the whole RH thing was clearly a result of actions The Alley took, cause and effect, think on that before shifting blame around. GrowlingBadger said: Then do what RH did (more effectively)and band together - the game mechanics work for sorting things out. Yes, history not only in this game but real history to clearly shows that forming highly antagonistic partisan cabals to counter other highly antagonistic cabals is a winning strategy, it never goes wrong, surely it must work this time to /sarcasm ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 12:20 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 12:26 pm by FireFly

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 *sam* said: GrowlingBadger said: PA Racers said: Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. That's interesting, I never saw that. It has been my perspective that if there is some kind of war going on for what ever reason then you do what you need to do - if your allies are being redded then you red your common enemies guys when you get the opportunity. If this quote is genuine then redding should never happen deliberately? GB Your original understanding is correct. There *are* legitimate circumstances for players to want to kill each other's gangers, and I think it would be an unnecessary sanitization of the game if this possibility were removed altogether. What Shark did was totally random/arbitrary attacks, which is griefing. If I undertstand correctly then since I have never done anything to the Alley or to Joel in the game at any point other than disagree with him Joels actions were contrary to the rules you have set in place. Whereas had we been involved in any kind of faction or in game conflict it would be fine. I suppose this begs the question what are the legitimate reasons for slaughtering resigned players in a scheduled event? I can see where it may be legitimate in a PVP combat scenario, but in a sporting event? I can see that it could even be legitimate in a sporting event if tension had previously begun in a PVP arena although this certainly isn't the case here. What is the case here is that Joel and I disagreed over his tactics in the SCL in an admittedly animated forum discussion, since when he has been targeting my characters for death rather than enjoying the competition within the structured league environment. Sam I suggest you watch the rerun of the event (251610) and judge for yourself whether that was appropriate behaviour or not. Ideally clear guidelines should be established if veteran players like Joel are going to try and wipe out less experienced gangs for fun or malice wherever they disagree with them it does need to be understood in advance I think. I personally believe the leagues are there for everyone to compete in a test of skill rather than a place for petty vendettas. Squad challenges and PVP are for the warring chaps to fight it out if they want and within those environments if a legitimate reason exists they should feel free to fight to the death if they want. Only if good reason or mutual consent at the outset is in existence. Only one of these needs to be in place, you shouldn't need agreement if you have good reason obviously. Sam could you clarify please what you think here as your two points above do seem a bit contradictory. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jan 7, 2014, 1:01 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 1:04 pm by Bigspenner

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 This coming from a person who conspired to literally eliminate the Vault? Remember those stones Firefly, remember those stones.... FireFly said: Oh Alley, if you only knew how many players (and potential PvP players) you guys have driven away from the game. I never bothered to participate much in this whole mess but the whole RH thing was clearly a result of actions The Alley took, cause and effect, think on that before shifting blame around. GrowlingBadger said: Then do what RH did (more effectively)and band together - the game mechanics work for sorting things out. Yes, history not only in this game but real history to clearly shows that forming highly antagonistic partisan cabals to counter other highly antagonistic cabals is a winning strategy, it never goes wrong, surely it must work this time to /sarcasm ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 1:37 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Bigspenner said: *sam* said: GrowlingBadger said: PA Racers said: Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. That's interesting, I never saw that. It has been my perspective that if there is some kind of war going on for what ever reason then you do what you need to do - if your allies are being redded then you red your common enemies guys when you get the opportunity. If this quote is genuine then redding should never happen deliberately? GB Your original understanding is correct. There *are* legitimate circumstances for players to want to kill each other's gangers, and I think it would be an unnecessary sanitization of the game if this possibility were removed altogether. What Shark did was totally random/arbitrary attacks, which is griefing. If I undertstand correctly then since I have never done anything to the Alley or to Joel in the game at any point other than disagree with him Joels actions were contrary to the rules you have set in place. Whereas had we been involved in any kind of faction or in game conflict it would be fine. I suppose this begs the question what are the legitimate reasons for slaughtering resigned players in a scheduled event? I can see where it may be legitimate in a PVP combat scenario, but in a sporting event? I can see that it could even be legitimate in a sporting event if tension had previously begun in a PVP arena although this certainly isn't the case here. What is the case here is that Joel and I disagreed over his tactics in the SCL in an admittedly animated forum discussion, since when he has been targeting my characters for death rather than enjoying the competition within the structured league environment. Sam I suggest you watch the rerun of the event (251610) and judge for yourself whether that was appropriate behaviour or not. Ideally clear guidelines should be established if veteran players like Joel are going to try and wipe out less experienced gangs for fun or malice wherever they disagree with them it does need to be understood in advance I think. I personally believe the leagues are there for everyone to compete in a test of skill rather than a place for petty vendettas. Squad challenges and PVP are for the warring chaps to fight it out if they want and within those environments if a legitimate reason exists they should feel free to fight to the death if they want. Only if good reason or mutual consent at the outset is in existence. Only one of these needs to be in place, you shouldn't need agreement if you have good reason obviously. Sam could you clarify please what you think here as your two points above do seem a bit contradictory. I don't think my statements are contradictory, I think my old one about Shark was simply incomplete and taken out of context. I don't recall the specifics, but as far as I remember I was trying to keep things simple when referring to Shark rather than give him an opportunity to say his attacks were a legitimate roleplay of "a bad guy" (which is an excuse I have seen before to claim that random attacks are acceptable). What I said earlier today is how I see it: a redding-after-resignation with a legitimate reason is ok, but without one it's griefing. I don't like the idea of outlawing character killing in specific types of events, as you seem to have suggested, since that's a road to sanitising we have been down before and it doesn't really help the game overall. Your description of  reason and consent in pvp events is spot on. I think the main thing we need to do here is see what Joel has to say about it if you want to make a formal complaint about griefing. It seems that you do, since you are at a loss to find anything you can imagine would give him legitimate reason for his attack..? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 2:24 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 2:32 pm by *sam*

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 A level of mediation Oddly enough, Perhaps this may be in order to an extent without whitewashing things. While I would not take away the deadly aspect of this game, it do well to help alleviate certain things and improve overall consensus of the game. On the flipside, can we put these sorts of things out of the public eye and in to the subscriber forum or a grievance sub forum ? ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 2:57 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Necro.. you mean, we should consider making resigned gangers auto-escape, in town events? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 3:06 pm

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 Necrotech said: On the flipside, can we put these sorts of things out of the public eye and in to the subscriber forum or a grievance sub forum ? I don't think this should happen.  There should be some forewarning.  If some newbie ends up in an alley event to check it out and the alley makes sure he doesn't finish (not just lose, but not finish), that is probably not good for the game. ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,92,1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 3:15 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 I would disagree First off, and perhaps this is just me. I don't truly consider a member to be a newbie or otherwise until he or she pays up and subscribes. Barring previous subbed members, they are just visiting IMHO. No sense putting out dirty laundry for everyone to see. Does not make good sense. As for Alley this and that, I would definitely have this for another thread. I know think there are many misgivings as well, of what and why. Again, another thread, another time, and certainly another place. Bolt Thrower said: Necrotech said: On the flipside, can we put these sorts of things out of the public eye and in to the subscriber forum or a grievance sub forum ? I don't think this should happen.  There should be some forewarning.  If some newbie ends up in an alley event to check it out and the alley makes sure he doesn't finish (not just lose, but not finish), that is probably not good for the game. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 3:26 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 *sam* said: Necro.. you mean, we should consider making resigned gangers auto-escape, in town events? Giving this some thought, I would say "YES" with caveats however. First caveat - it has to be a "resigned" vehicle, not an auto demo. Perfect example, last night Semi-pro Event. Jagged Monkey, was getting out to ped a vehicle, while gunner inside reloaded. He is the last of the red team. His car auto demo's = instant loss. I believe there should be a difference in status between a resigned and demoralized state. Voluntary vs involuntary in this regard. Second - If EAA rules are in effect for an event, then *resigns* force an auto escape of gangers. Exceptions should most likely be COE, SCL, and certain special events, as they are outside of town (per se), they do not have the "Town's enforcement measures" in effect. However escaping a character outside a vehicle should still be allowed, regardless of distance from opponents in non EAA events. (Certain combats, scouting events, travel events, and other minor exceptions excluded) Third (possible) -  To prevent abuse from either side (resignee vs attacker) in Town events. *Resigned* (not demoralized) guns do not fire but vehicle may move if it is able, to pull to safety or where ever. Resigned vehicles also may not targeted or fired upon directly. While ground targeting still can happen, it is still a very difficult thing to do. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 3:50 pm Last edited Jan 7, 2014, 4:14 pm by Necrotech

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 *sam* said: Bigspenner said: *sam* said: GrowlingBadger said: PA Racers said: Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. That's interesting, I never saw that. It has been my perspective that if there is some kind of war going on for what ever reason then you do what you need to do - if your allies are being redded then you red your common enemies guys when you get the opportunity. If this quote is genuine then redding should never happen deliberately? GB Your original understanding is correct. There *are* legitimate circumstances for players to want to kill each other's gangers, and I think it would be an unnecessary sanitization of the game if this possibility were removed altogether. What Shark did was totally random/arbitrary attacks, which is griefing. If I undertstand correctly then since I have never done anything to the Alley or to Joel in the game at any point other than disagree with him Joels actions were contrary to the rules you have set in place. Whereas had we been involved in any kind of faction or in game conflict it would be fine. I suppose this begs the question what are the legitimate reasons for slaughtering resigned players in a scheduled event? I can see where it may be legitimate in a PVP combat scenario, but in a sporting event? I can see that it could even be legitimate in a sporting event if tension had previously begun in a PVP arena although this certainly isn't the case here. What is the case here is that Joel and I disagreed over his tactics in the SCL in an admittedly animated forum discussion, since when he has been targeting my characters for death rather than enjoying the competition within the structured league environment. Sam I suggest you watch the rerun of the event (251610) and judge for yourself whether that was appropriate behaviour or not. Ideally clear guidelines should be established if veteran players like Joel are going to try and wipe out less experienced gangs for fun or malice wherever they disagree with them it does need to be understood in advance I think. I personally believe the leagues are there for everyone to compete in a test of skill rather than a place for petty vendettas. Squad challenges and PVP are for the warring chaps to fight it out if they want and within those environments if a legitimate reason exists they should feel free to fight to the death if they want. Only if good reason or mutual consent at the outset is in existence. Only one of these needs to be in place, you shouldn't need agreement if you have good reason obviously. Sam could you clarify please what you think here as your two points above do seem a bit contradictory. I don't think my statements are contradictory, I think my old one about Shark was simply incomplete and taken out of context. I don't recall the specifics, but as far as I remember I was trying to keep things simple when referring to Shark rather than give him an opportunity to say his attacks were a legitimate roleplay of "a bad guy" (which is an excuse I have seen before to claim that random attacks are acceptable). What I said earlier today is how I see it: a redding-after-resignation with a legitimate reason is ok, but without one it's griefing. I don't like the idea of outlawing character killing in specific types of events, as you seem to have suggested, since that's a road to sanitising we have been down before and it doesn't really help the game overall. Your description of  reason and consent in pvp events is spot on. I think the main thing we need to do here is see what Joel has to say about it if you want to make a formal complaint about griefing. It seems that you do, since you are at a loss to find anything you can imagine would give him legitimate reason for his attack..? First paragraph. I accept that I may be only reading part of the history and know nothing of shark or the circumstances. Second paragraph, I wasn't suggesting outlawing character killing at all in any type of event. In fact I specifically said "I can see that it could even be legitimate in a sporting event if tension had previously begun in a PVP arena" My whole jist was around the "reason and consent" principle. My ethos is that the town events should be areas of sport in principle rather than areas of gang warfare although if a gang feud spills over into the event so be it as long as it dosen't affect the validity of the sporting event. As for formal complaints, I hadn't even thought of it, I hadn't heard the term "greifing" before Pacey's post and as you can no doubt tell from the tone of my comments during the event and my reasoned posts here am not a man easily bullied or silly enough to get too concerned about fictional electronic people. That being said I do also think a bigger principle appears to be at play and I would not want to see this community riven by arguments and in fighting or losing players due to a snide or disharmonious environment so maybe I should ask for it to be formally looked into. If Evan is ruled by Bullies it wont be fun for anyone accept them so yes please Sam, please watch the event, I suggest all the way through to see his full commentary. Yes Go on then Formal complaint it is. ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jan 7, 2014, 4:06 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Bigspenner said: *sam* said: Bigspenner said: *sam* said: GrowlingBadger said: PA Racers said: Sorry, see no difference! Quote from Sam: Just to apologise to the community for the repeated griefing by shark/studley. This morning he slaughtered the resigned characters of another player. Again. This is explicitly against the rules. I have issued him an official warning; if he does it again I'm going to delete his account. This is the first player we have had with this behaviour, which is pretty good considering the game has been fully open for over 3 years. I want to make sure it's as rare as possible. That's interesting, I never saw that. It has been my perspective that if there is some kind of war going on for what ever reason then you do what you need to do - if your allies are being redded then you red your common enemies guys when you get the opportunity. If this quote is genuine then redding should never happen deliberately? GB Your original understanding is correct. There *are* legitimate circumstances for players to want to kill each other's gangers, and I think it would be an unnecessary sanitization of the game if this possibility were removed altogether. What Shark did was totally random/arbitrary attacks, which is griefing. If I undertstand correctly then since I have never done anything to the Alley or to Joel in the game at any point other than disagree with him Joels actions were contrary to the rules you have set in place. Whereas had we been involved in any kind of faction or in game conflict it would be fine. I suppose this begs the question what are the legitimate reasons for slaughtering resigned players in a scheduled event? I can see where it may be legitimate in a PVP combat scenario, but in a sporting event? I can see that it could even be legitimate in a sporting event if tension had previously begun in a PVP arena although this certainly isn't the case here. What is the case here is that Joel and I disagreed over his tactics in the SCL in an admittedly animated forum discussion, since when he has been targeting my characters for death rather than enjoying the competition within the structured league environment. Sam I suggest you watch the rerun of the event (251610) and judge for yourself whether that was appropriate behaviour or not. Ideally clear guidelines should be established if veteran players like Joel are going to try and wipe out less experienced gangs for fun or malice wherever they disagree with them it does need to be understood in advance I think. I personally believe the leagues are there for everyone to compete in a test of skill rather than a place for petty vendettas. Squad challenges and PVP are for the warring chaps to fight it out if they want and within those environments if a legitimate reason exists they should feel free to fight to the death if they want. Only if good reason or mutual consent at the outset is in existence. Only one of these needs to be in place, you shouldn't need agreement if you have good reason obviously. Sam could you clarify please what you think here as your two points above do seem a bit contradictory. I don't think my statements are contradictory, I think my old one about Shark was simply incomplete and taken out of context. I don't recall the specifics, but as far as I remember I was trying to keep things simple when referring to Shark rather than give him an opportunity to say his attacks were a legitimate roleplay of "a bad guy" (which is an excuse I have seen before to claim that random attacks are acceptable). What I said earlier today is how I see it: a redding-after-resignation with a legitimate reason is ok, but without one it's griefing. I don't like the idea of outlawing character killing in specific types of events, as you seem to have suggested, since that's a road to sanitising we have been down before and it doesn't really help the game overall. Your description of  reason and consent in pvp events is spot on. I think the main thing we need to do here is see what Joel has to say about it if you want to make a formal complaint about griefing. It seems that you do, since you are at a loss to find anything you can imagine would give him legitimate reason for his attack..? First paragraph. I accept that I may be only reading part of the history and know nothing of shark or the circumstances. Second paragraph, I wasn't suggesting outlawing character killing at all in any type of event. In fact I specifically said "I can see that it could even be legitimate in a sporting event if tension had previously begun in a PVP arena" My whole jist was around the "reason and consent" principle. My ethos is that the town events should be areas of sport in principle rather than areas of gang warfare although if a gang feud spills over into the event so be it as long as it dosen't affect the validity of the sporting event. As for formal complaints, I hadn't even thought of it, I hadn't heard the term "greifing" before Pacey's post and as you can no doubt tell from the tone of my comments during the event and my reasoned posts here am not a man easily bullied or silly enough to get too concerned about fictional electronic people. That being said I do also think a bigger principle appears to be at play and I would not want to see this community riven by arguments and in fighting or losing players due to a snide or disharmonious environment so maybe I should ask for it to be formally looked into. If Evan is ruled by Bullies it wont be fun for anyone accept them so yes please Sam, please watch the event, I suggest all the way through to see his full commentary. Yes Go on then Formal complaint it is. Hey big spenner you are my enemy.  I did think that was clear after your antagonistic posts after the scl thing...but really as I have said to sam I will only explain myself to him in PMs. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 7, 2014, 4:23 pm

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