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Griefed by Shark/Studman

SDC Death Toll Pedestrian Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: Jan 24, 2013 So I was a casual Darkwind subscriber last year, and I recently came back after taking a six month break. After easing myself into it for a few days, trying to decide if I want to get back into the game, I decided that I was having fun. Even thought about renewing my subscription. Then I ran into Shark / Studman during an arena match (Event #241556). I went in for a quick Deathrace, assuming I might grab a few skill points for my long-neglected gangers, and instead I encountered someone who seemed intent on deliberately provoking me. I won't bother rehashing the details of the short race - anyone who cares can check out the event above. Suffice to say, I've got two gangers in the hospital - some of their wounds from post-resignation gunfire - and I never fired a shot at him. Maybe I would have, if I had expected that kind of toxic behavior, but by the time I realized what he was doing it was too late. This is my first post on the forums - and it saddens me that its one where I'm basically just griping about a negative experience. I appreciate the game for what it is, but I can't deal with this sort of thing. My life is already stressful enough without dealing with what amounts to an internet troll who enjoys frustrating people by deliberately destroying things they've invested time into building up. You can call me a whiner, if you want. Or say that I'm too thin-skinned. Or maybe I'm just a 'baby', like Shark/Studman implied in the Lobby afterwards. Regardless, I'm probably bowing out again. Knowing me, though, I'll just end up hopping back on in another few months to give it another try. I'd like to thank the players that helped me get started last year - although you'll have to forgive me if most of your names escape me this long after the fact. Saint Crispin, Lostsoul214, Krash, Sarge, and a few others. I'm sure you know who you are. ......................... vet Posted Aug 24, 2013, 7:33 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 Can't let the few bad apples spoil the batch. Payback time if you ask me. Consider yourself lucky not to have been redded out like I would have been by certain gangs. ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 8:34 am

lostsoul214 Rats of the Sand Pedestrian Renegade Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: Feb 26, 2009 From what I've seen. I'd have to agree with you. There was no reason for the treatment at all. Sad there are people like that out there. ......................... vet wv northernsummer ped1 paintball semiprocombat raceL1 pvp50,10,0 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 8:37 am

Sarge K R U Autodueller Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: Mar 6, 2011 Yeah that sucks, man! I hope you get a chance to stick around and have some fun experiences. The one or two people that make the game bad for others need to be weeded out - as we only have "community justice" due to the "unique nature" of Dark-Wind - this makes it a little more difficult. Thanks for posting about your experience and making us aware. Hope to see you around - IM me if you want a scout sometime! ......................... vet wv0,3,0 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 11:26 am

BrassFactory Dukes of Hazardous Waste Autodueller Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: Jul 29, 2012 I've been playing DW for a year and I've only once been the victim of anything like griefing. Like you, I lost no gangers. Not too bad for an anonymous unsupervised playground. DW isn't for everyone. If you don't enjoy it enough to overlook some adversity, then you should quit. But if you stick it out, you may find that the adversity is a big part of what makes the game satisfying. One of my most enjoyable moments was seeing a veteran player grief a noob for cursing him in a deathrace. He gave the noob a chance to apologize and when he didn't, he killed his gangers. The guy quit the game (no loss) and took a friend with him (good player). Frontier justice. It's ugly but satisfying in a modern urban world without frontiers. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 1:57 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 Honestly, Shark/Studman have both been away from the game for a long time. That was the first I have seen Studman on. Understand that there are players that play the game like that - but eventually they get what is coming to them and they end up leaving. Don't let a bad player ruin the chance to get back into something you enjoy. Give it another shot - if Studman doesnt relent, then we have people that can make sure he leaves the game for a while again. Some of us players don't like bullies......... ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 3:48 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Sharks back? Good. Eff all ya all ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,98,31 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 5:03 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 3, 2010 Word, Boo! ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Aug 24, 2013, 5:30 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: Sharks back? Good.  Eff all ya all And then there's this.  Why some people let their children access the internet unsupervised is beyond me. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 6:09 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 He wont be around for long. They will re-admit him to the mental hospital in a few days. Or maybe he was just out on a family visit. He has done this before, and went away. I chased him all over the place. He is a coward. Dont let him bother you. And Blackwill, you continue to provoke. I don't know why. I'm your Huckleberry. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 6:18 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 It's what I do, Longo. Professional Provoker. And, who better to provoke than Joel, the uncontested King of the Potty-Mouths?? ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 6:37 pm

*Brunwulf* Wulf Guard Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,299 Joined: May 17, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: Sharks back? Good.  Eff all ya all I agree- it all adds to the spice. If you want a cuddly-wuddly gaming experience, go to: www.secondlife.com Hope I get to lock horns with the infamous Shark myself- when my Wife/kids/boss allows me the time to acyually start playing properly again! ......................... vet ww wv e2g gwextrav sssc northernsummer gateautumn deathrce1 marshal race1 raceL1 combat1 pvp5 pvp4 pvp3 pvp20,1,0 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 7:10 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Blackwill said: It's what I do, Longo.  Professional Provoker.  And, who better to provoke than Joel, the uncontested King of the Potty-Mouths?? I get accused of all kinds of griefing in this game - you people deserve a real griefer.  Might give you some perspective. Go shark go! ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,98,31 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 7:23 pm

SDC Death Toll Pedestrian Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: Jan 24, 2013 Look, I can understand that Darkwind is a harsh and sometimes unforgiving game. On my first scouting mission, I lost four cars and seven gangers. I was disappointed, but I didn't complain about it. I sat down and studied the forums for tips, and I asked folks for advice. I learned how to scout better, and joined folks on other, much more successful scouting missions. Later, I lost two of my veteran gangers to a new player in an arena event. It wasn't intentional on his part - he was just too new to know the difference between an active car and a resigned car. After the event, I explained it to him, and he seemed genuinely apologetic about firing an HMG into my resigned car until it exploded. Again, it was disappointing, but it happens. This, though. A player who exists for the sole purpose of deliberately ruining the experience for other players is something that defies my understanding. I go out of my way to be as civil as possible to people when I'm on the internet, and this fellow seems to be the exact opposite - someone who goes out of their way to be nasty and inconsiderate. And, from what I've seen, its impossible to really fight back against him because he comes and goes at random. He doesn't maintain any real gang presence, and instead uses arena vehicles and rookie gangers to mess with people who - in many cases - just don't know any better until after he's already torn them up during an arena event. He doesn't play the game to play the game - he plays it to make people angry. I find that to be disgusting behavior. Its the equivalent of someone who stands around on a basketball court, just waiting for the chance to get their hands on the ball so they can throw it on the rooftop and ruin the game for everyone else. And the fact that there are some folks who seem sympathetic to his position is disheartening. Not surprising, I suppose, given that this is the internet. But, like I said, I don't want to invest time and effort into a game, worrying that at any second someone with little to no investment will just rush in and kick over all the pieces I've carefully built up. If Studman/Shark/Whatever had made his intentions to fight clear from the beginning, I wouldn't have said anything. I would have exchanged bullets, and taken my lumps. I've fought other players during arena events, generally with the understanding that a resignation should be respected. But this was something else entirely. This was deliberate misdirection followed by deliberate and pointless cruelty, and it has (at least temporarily) ruined my enthusiasm for what is otherwise a fine game. ......................... vet Posted Aug 24, 2013, 8:56 pm Last edited Aug 24, 2013, 8:56 pm by SDC

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: Blackwill said: It's what I do, Longo.  Professional Provoker.  And, who better to provoke than Joel, the uncontested King of the Potty-Mouths?? I get accused of all kinds of griefing in this game - you people deserve a real griefer.  Might give you some perspective. Go shark go! In the words of Charlie Brown "good Grief" ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Aug 24, 2013, 8:56 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 SDC said: This, though. A player who exists for the sole purpose of deliberately ruining the experience for other players is something that defies my understanding. I go out of my way to be as civil as possible to people when I'm on the internet, and this fellow seems to be the exact opposite - someone who goes out of their way to be nasty and inconsiderate. And, from what I've seen, its impossible to really fight back against him because he comes and goes at random. Welcome (back) to Dark-Wind.  You'll meet a number of these ass-hats in the game, if you choose to remain.  These kinds of games attract that sort of crowd, from time to time.  The cool thing is, when they do it to you once, you know they will try to do it to you again...and you can just open up on them first the next time.  It may take you a while to get to the level where you can compete, and actually red out their annoying gangers, but that time will come.  Heck, I still haven't gotten there yet, but I keep trying   Aster was a good example...he was an intentional annoyance, and he was hunted in every event he was in, until he had to move to the far side of the map to avoid being redded, and then just dropped (as near as I can tell).  Joel, Necrotec, Awefensive Enterprises, Lion Cheetahs...these are the same kind of players, except that they have bigger guns and better gangers.  Dishonorable, annoying tactics are their stock in trade...but a few of us are fighting back, and we will eventually red them, or at least make it less fun for them to keep up with their shenanigans.  It just depends on how many assets you are willing to lose in order to show them that ^%$#-heads eventually lose out.. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Aug 25, 2013, 12:05 am

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 This person is an alt of one of the established long time players. Would be interesting to know which simpleton it is. But they get their little laughs and believe themselves oh so clever. So it is unlikely we will know who. Best thing to do is ignore it all. Even making a forum post about it is what the sociopath wants. In the past, when we stopped talking about it that person went back to their other persona and we didn't have to deal with this tripe for a while until their little ego got deflated too much and they had to come back and grief a few more people. Then they get their name in lights and start to feel better about their smallness, their lack of importance and the futility of their existence. Probably still smarting form the wedgies and "bullying" they encountered in grade school. Hopefully they don't buy a black duster, make some you-tube video about their manifesto and make a list... Alas, only time will tell. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Aug 25, 2013, 12:23 am

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Which one is the Alt? SDC or Shark/Studly Men??? ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Aug 25, 2013, 12:50 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 One little tip When asking for a NPC only truce IDK or we will see is a red flag. Always get a solid answer be for giving LoF. I could see him lining up his shot 5 turns be for he opens fire. Got to keep your eyes and ears open when your around other players. ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Aug 25, 2013, 1:11 am

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Yeah..this was an obvious set-up. As soon as he hit the brakes coming around that turn, I would have slowed, E-braked, and brought front weapons on him....and THEN asked him "Do you wanna play nice, or do you wanna die right here??" ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Aug 25, 2013, 1:25 am

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