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SCL CR

BrassFactory Dukes of Hazardous Waste Autodueller Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: Jul 29, 2012 Division IV has a maximu CR of 400, but JS just demo'd 437 CR against the AI. Anyone know what gives? ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted May 10, 2013, 9:43 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 The NPC teams CR total varies from fight to fight. I think it queries a group with a CR total in mind - and the closest setup gets it. I have done the same.....and it changes each fight - the same gang might bring UNDER the CR total next fight. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted May 10, 2013, 9:59 pm

*Splash* Coolerheads Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 568 Joined: Dec 30, 2009 Yeah, I got 591 out of a gang with a D2 limit of 550. That kind of needs to be fixed, but it's been like that since the start... ......................... vet wv pvp5 e2g pvp2 sssc combatL1 marshal1,1,0 Posted May 10, 2013, 10:30 pm

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 This is also affected by scout level. Brought a good scout once to a iv match and pulled 3 chasers (what an insult), which sucked because that can screw you in the standings. So, no scout against the ai, as a rule... ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted May 10, 2013, 11:00 pm

BrassFactory Dukes of Hazardous Waste Autodueller Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: Jul 29, 2012 Ah. Thanks. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted May 10, 2013, 11:47 pm

*Maxxed* [v]@Xx3D []ut Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 961 Joined: May 20, 2010 I couldn't find the ideal thread for this concept so i decided to post in an SCL related thread: Most people like the idea of concentual competitive PvP and SCL is a great medium for this, unfortunately there are a couple of issues with the use of ubergangers in the low end divisions. Especially as SCL wins benefit camp owners...hence camp owners want representation in all leagues and obviously gain as much production boost as possible plus the special training bonus which also is of more benefit to established players than newbs. e.g. DD++++ and to a lesser extent high end scouts but most specifically vets fielding multispec gunners do not allow for anything like a level playing field. What if there was a spec limit in the lower end leagues? I remember fighting Necro with non or single specced gunners vs DD+++ and 4 spec gunners in Div5... My assumption is that Div5 was designed to allow newer players to be able to have a 'fair go' vs more established players to hone their PvP skills. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 marshal pvp5 pvp20,0,1 Posted Jan 29, 2014, 3:12 am

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 That's why I've been arguing against NPC teams in the SCL Is there any doubt that a player squad of roughly equal CR can obliterate an NPC team? Why should that decide who wins the league? Who cares if there's only 1-2 matches per season to decide who wins the SCL league. Right now that's pretty much how it is, except you have to go through the grind of obliterating a few hopeless NPC 'teams'. To summarize: NPC teams have no business in the SCL because they are a grind and don't demonstrate PvP skill/tactical superiority, which is what the SCL is supposed to test ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 29, 2014, 4:42 pm

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 +10 also necro's perpetual thing about decreasing from 5 to 3 leagues would help a lot. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Jan 29, 2014, 10:04 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 musashi_san said: +10 also necro's perpetual thing about decreasing from 5 to 3 leagues would help a lot. Definitely.  The SCL II and IV are redundant ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 2:07 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 Juris said: That's why I've been arguing against NPC teams in the SCL Is there any doubt that a player squad of roughly equal CR can obliterate an NPC team?  Why should that decide who wins the league?  Who cares if there's only 1-2 matches per season to decide who wins the SCL league.  Right now that's pretty much how it is, except you have to go through the grind of obliterating a few hopeless NPC 'teams'. To summarize: NPC teams have no business in the SCL because they are a grind and don't demonstrate PvP skill/tactical superiority, which is what the SCL is supposed to test   Or you pull a smooth one like me and set your SCL AI match for the wrong day and miss the event. But I like an up hill climb so it's all good. ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 3:55 am

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Juris said: To summarize: NPC teams have no business in the SCL because they are a grind and don't demonstrate PvP skill/tactical superiority, which is what the SCL is supposed to test True, but I've seen veteran players lose against the NPC teams in the SCL. If players are over confident, make a mistake or don't realize they can actually hit you at range due to high skill/specs, you can and will lose. Also, if players fought the NPCs like they fight real players, there would be a lot more losses against these SCL NPC gangs or at least a higher chance of casualties to your team. When player SCL teams have a match they usually face off against each other in the hopes of a good duel. In an SCL NPC match, you can lead the NPCs around if given the space  and dictate where you will engage. Much easier and less costly than a PvP match. If players really think the SCL NPCs are pushovers, face them like you would a real player and let me know how it goes. While not smart, they rely on brute force and if given the chance will take you down, I've witnessed this before on more than once occasion. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,205,126 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 6:05 am Last edited Jan 30, 2014, 6:08 am by Lord Foul

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 Lord Foul said: If players really think the SCL NPCs are pushovers, face them like you would a real player and let me know how it goes. While not smart, they rely on brute force and if given the chance will take you down, I've witnessed this before on more than once occasion. as far as i can tell i do them both the same. the ai acts differently in response, that i can't help. players do things i need to adjust to and frequently there's a chess match over occupying terrain features or something like that, but the ai just doesn't do that. short of just charging them head on i don't see them having any chance, and i wouldn't do that against a player either. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 3:27 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 While it is true that the NPC teams in the SCL are tougher than usual because they match the player's skill cap, this is really only a trap for the unwary. Yes, I've seen players that only scout around SS get surprised when the NPC SCL team hits them at 50m consistently. However, if you scout a lot down south they are an easy kill compared to what you normally face. It still shouldn't determine placement in a PvP league, and it is still a grind. If I want to scout against higher-skill NPCs I'll roll a scout out of BL ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 4:57 pm

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 I don't want to hijack this thread, but how much better are NPC's in BL, SV, SA, TX, MO and FL? ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,91,1 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 5:44 pm

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 fairly big difference. some have many specs, and they dont follow the normal rules for spec choice, so a guy with 150lg could have taken 3 snipers. also a lot of dd specs, and moving targets. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 6:28 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Bolt Thrower said: I don't want to hijack this thread, but how much better are NPC's in BL, SV, SA, TX, MO and FL? lots better... harder to hit.. better at hitting you ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 10:03 pm

Bolt Thrower Quantum Symphony Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: Sep 12, 2013 Nice. That explains some of the curb stompings I have taken. They also don't seem to need the one round to aquire target. Had a mutant rancher spin on me and hit with guns from the three different sides over three consecutive turns. ......................... vet wv northernsummer1,91,1 Posted Jan 30, 2014, 11:00 pm

*Bigspenner* Brassicas Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 546 Joined: Sep 17, 2008 I don't see why. I can imagine 3 leagues would make them in theory better filled but there have been three seasons in the last 5 where  the scl 5 was filled which means there wasn't space for more players. This means that there must be demand. There are only two NPC teams in the SCL 4 too and this will always happen no matter how many divisions you have as players drop out of the league. In a three division system if a team in the top division decides not to play for some reason, (Unsubscribes or  cant be borthered) at the end of the season then the following season there will be anj NPC in their place, they will gradually make their way down through the league if player teams beat them but it will take time. This happens if there are two or more divisions. The issue on how many divisions there are really depends on how many new entrants there are and if there are ten new entrants each season then there is still demand and its not redundant. This season is the first one for four season that ten haven't entered division 5. Juris said: musashi_san said: +10 also necro's perpetual thing about decreasing from 5 to 3 leagues would help a lot. Definitely.  The SCL II and IV are redundant ......................... vet wv combatL1 deathrceL1 paintladder slay2013 pvp4 gwextrav pvp3 marshal pvp2 pvp1 pvp5 paintball e2g Posted Jan 31, 2014, 11:08 am

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