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Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Okay..  I can see then 1 round to target, next round release..... unless it's an area of effect or personal power. Area of effect would not need a targeting round, perhaps still keep the 2 round rule, Round 1 to concentrate, next to release. Personal affect abilities... first round it goes active. *Tinker* said: *snip* The problem is I just can't buy that theory that because it's a mind attack it's instantaneous... *snip* This is not a fault of Psi.... this is a fault of LoS, No fog of war. Where see you can everything on the map. Hence why mortars are so effective even without a spotter. Changing the LoS rules just for a Psi without other items being changed... that doesn't make sense to me. In "reality" a Psi only needs to *see* or sense you (in the case of being able to see the entire map) Now.... if it was changed where the AI and Players... could not target at all with having direct LoS or a spotter to assist, THAT makes sense. Both players and the AI could only get a general sense of direction, but not direct data or composition of forces or makes of specific vehicles. (example Mutant Merc vs Freelancer vs Mutant Runner) Also allows for tactical advantages for terrain. You squad is about to go through the SS valley. You know by the sounds they are to the east and the north of you. Maybe as 2 groups or maybe even spread out as one loose group. You send a dune buggy to climb a high peak. Upon reaching the top you spot a ped on a similar peak, because your height, you also see the real danger. Parked just out of sight, lower on the ridge, a group of 4 phoenixes and 2 Poltergeists, what normally would not in sight of your lower placed vehicles. Seeing this threat, you have your ballistics crew prepare to fire on these vehicles, while you send another group of striking vehicles to take another route to ambush those polt's and phos from the side or above..... Meanwhile your Buggy opens fire with a Gatling gun on that lone pedestrian to blind them to your movements... *Tinker* said: come to think of it is it normal PSI attacks can work equally no matter where the target is located outside of LoS under combat situations? I'd suggest Drivers, front and side LoS with no change Gunners, weapons LoS no change ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Mar 14, 2013, 3:34 pm Last edited Mar 14, 2013, 3:50 pm by Necrotech

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Necrotech said: Both players and the AI could only get a general sense of direction, but not direct data or composition of forces or makes of specific vehicles. (example Mutant Merc vs Freelancer vs Mutant Runner) Yeah i don't know if the game engine can support renaming the cars on the fly, that or displaying a generic dust cloud when out of LoS ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 14, 2013, 3:49 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 Necrotech said: My idea to balance a Psi's power.... if it opposes you in the wild, (Sorry Tink), fire upon it heavily, constantly, with all due prejudice, and scatter those special neurons and grey matter across the sand. Yes, this is the way that most players would agree with you on how to defend themselves against psionic gangers. But we all know what will happen to them the next time they run across each others path too! They chose the only way they could fight and defend to save their own gangers lives, only to see them die horribly in a vengeful "eye for an eye" attack in the next event (COE has been notorious for this). But I guess after this phase has happened enough times, it will be all Highlander style where the victor stands alone on a hill and says "There can be only one!" ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Mar 14, 2013, 4:00 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 And there it is.... in a nutshell... The way it is supposed to be. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Mar 14, 2013, 4:08 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 I know this will make some eyes roll, but, what if a Psi ganger kills a Psi ganger and like Highlander, absorbs at least one or all of his Psi skills?!?! Haha, no more long hard training, just whack a few and get instant specs! Now this was just for a laugh, everybody calm down!! lol ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Mar 14, 2013, 4:43 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 The X Man said: I know this will make some eyes roll, but, what if a Psi ganger kills a Psi ganger and like Highlander, absorbs at least one or all of his Psi skills?!?! Haha, no more long hard training, just whack a few and get instant specs!  Now this was just for a laugh, everybody calm down!! lol  ah ah the idea has as crossed my mind too ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 14, 2013, 6:06 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Why not just ask Sam to allow tactical nukes? ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Mar 14, 2013, 6:23 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Blackwill said: Why not just ask Sam to allow tactical nukes? why settle for tactical nukes... intercontinental cluster nukes with lasers on their heads ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Mar 14, 2013, 8:54 pm

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 1st page of psionics thread said: 1. Psionic powers need concentration to be maintained, or else they stop working. While performing psionics, your effective activity level for all other actions (driving, gunning, running) is reduced to 25% of its current level. Getting injured, or the car you’re in getting a hefty collision will break your concentration entirely. I'm curious, what ever happened to this? ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Mar 15, 2013, 12:41 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Serephe said: 1st page of psionics thread said: 1. Psionic powers need concentration to be maintained, or else they stop working. While performing psionics, your effective activity level for all other actions (driving, gunning, running) is reduced to 25% of its current level. Getting injured, or the car you’re in getting a hefty collision will break your concentration entirely. I'm curious, what ever happened to this? idk if it's there I never noticed, interesting ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 15, 2013, 10:02 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Well we don't really have many abilities that needs to be constantly maintained. I mean a dust-cloud is just kicking up a could of dust, not something that needs to be maintained. Pyry is just starting a fire, once it's started it's on it's own and so on. Only one I can think of that really mentains is DE, and you cant exactly be injured during that (would kinda defeat the point) Actually, now that I think of it the EM pulse is weird, EM sort of fries electronics not just disable it for a second or two ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Mar 16, 2013, 1:21 am

BrassFactory Dukes of Hazardous Waste Autodueller Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: Jul 29, 2012 The EMP generated by a nuclear blast fries electronics. The EMP generated by some malnourished nut case not so much. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Mar 16, 2013, 3:34 am

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 ok, actually rofl. truer words, and all that... ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Mar 16, 2013, 3:56 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 BrassFactory said: The EMP generated by a nuclear blast fries electronics. The EMP generated by some malnourished nut case not so much. And what kind of EM does a post apoc nutcase produce? I'm just saying, they're normally fairly nuclear  Or rather, tell me, what sort of emp would shut down stuff just for a few seconds? That sounds more like a power hitch, lol ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Mar 16, 2013, 4:39 am Last edited Mar 16, 2013, 4:41 am by FireFly

Djihani Rollovers Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: Jun 26, 2009 It could be like... ethereal fire... and ethereal wind... and eh.. ethereal the psyker actually freezing all electrical currents from moving along. Kinda like freezing stuff. Electricity dont like ecroplasma. Whatever. No freaking way you're logizicing away magick. Magick is kinda... unnatural to begin with. Could be anything! (insert game balance improving thing here) ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn raceL1 deathrceL10,4,0 Posted Mar 16, 2013, 10:13 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 If I recall the official word for EMP is that it is the psi INFLUENCING the Stratosphere and Auroras, it's not emanating from him directly, but him making it possible to let in the solar flares in or some such i think. If that were true i guess we should all get rad poisoning if out of vehicles? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 16, 2013, 10:45 am

BrassFactory Dukes of Hazardous Waste Autodueller Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 365 Joined: Jul 29, 2012 FireFly said: Or rather, tell me, what sort of emp would shut down stuff just for a few seconds? That sounds more like a power hitch, lol Exactly.  That's the kind Sam gave us. PSI as it stands is mildly unbalancing.  Not much worse than a dozen other imperfections in the game.  Give them the power level of a nuke and you'd get more than a minor concussion or a splitting headache trying to balance it. There's no logical or gameplay need for it. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Mar 16, 2013, 2:18 pm

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