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Balance PSI

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Making it so pyro kills crew makes it MORE powerful than it is now - at least now you can bail out before you die in a fireball lol Now I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a power to temporarily stun enemy crew (killing them outright seems a bit too much)... ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Mar 11, 2013, 10:55 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Honestly - you guys can do or advocate whatever THE PHUCK you want. I'd rather Sam not waste time on this. The only way someone's panties are gonna get a knot on this now is because COE2 allows PSI. So just ban it. Save him time... please. Thanks. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Mar 11, 2013, 11:07 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Juris said: Making it so pyro kills crew makes it MORE powerful than it is now - at least now you can bail out before you die in a fireball lol Now I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a power to temporarily stun enemy crew (killing them outright seems a bit too much)... They think it's the car that's on fire, not them If they get out of the car they think they have escaped the burning car and cease to suffer damage for the remainder of the effect. for the few rounds that they are out of the car they still have that imaginary burn, so if they suffer more injuries right then like splash or a ped rifle, they might still die from a heart attack... ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 11, 2013, 11:25 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Also you can set peds on fire outside the car with pyro. I did it to Latte in COE2 and he got really pissed and got You to work me over with psi's for three season after that lol. Seriously - SAM Fix Shanty - Fix Morgan, fix a whole bunch of other stuff and just ban PSI from PvP and save a big headache. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Mar 11, 2013, 11:28 pm Last edited Mar 11, 2013, 11:29 pm by Joel Autobaun

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 warhammer battle magic i did a straw poll i found nobody who wanted psi in the game ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Mar 11, 2013, 11:40 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 *sam* said: thanks to those (e.g. Tinker) who are attempting to be balanced in their discussion here. We could do a combination of the suggestions: 1. Increase the effect of TLK somewhat 2. decrease the effect of the other psi effects somewhat 3. randomise the attainment of psi specs 1. I think tlk is the best balanced psi, its useful but limited. Dust clouds are a great advantage. it is possible to throw a flash 100m. I would not think this needs to be more powerful. 2. I think this is better idea. (gave my thoughts on adjustment above) 3. yup, definitely less powerful more consequences for the use of them randomised ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 2:03 am

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Joel Autobaun said: Honestly - you guys can do or advocate whatever THE PHUCK you want.  I'd rather Sam not waste time on this.  The only way someone's panties are gonna get a knot on this now is because COE2 allows PSI.  So just ban it.  Save him time... please.  Thanks. +1 I agree with joel on this.  this aspect is so rare that it is of low prority for tweaking it.  Other things are of higher priority.  It BECOMES an issue only when someone feels unfaily knobbed by it in PvP. I say ban Psi from PvP unless both players have a Psi and choose "Psi "on" like voting on turn length while in the event. Although I think Psi in the Pit should be allowed since FL is a pro-Psi (Psi-Open?) town ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 5:20 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 *Bastille* said: 1. I think tlk is the best balanced psi, its useful but limited. Dust clouds are a great advantage. it is possible to throw a flash 100m. I would not think this needs to be more powerful. TLK now works a little too well for the desert siren, throws them like toys about 20 meters, but never tried it on a flash. works ok on muscle, but weak on sedans and nonexistent on anything bigger this was with a lvl3 I think ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 12, 2013, 5:54 am Last edited Mar 12, 2013, 5:58 am by *Tinker*

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Tinker* said: *Bastille* said: 1. I think tlk is the best balanced psi, its useful but limited. Dust clouds are a great advantage. it is possible to throw a flash 100m. I would not think this needs to be more powerful. TLK now works a little too well for the desert siren, throws them like toys about 20 meters, but never tried it on a flash. works ok on muscle, but weak on sedans and nonexistent on anything bigger this was with a lvl3 I think Love the fact Sam calls this balanced... How can tink be balanced when he is basically the only person using psis? Its as unbalanced a view as you can get... Like Joel said.. a waste of dev time. We get replies in this thread but silence on loads of issues that affect everyone. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 8:02 am

*Brunwulf* Wulf Guard Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,299 Joined: May 17, 2012 *sam* said: thanks to those (e.g. Tinker) who are attempting to be balanced in their discussion here. We could do a combination of the suggestions: 1. Increase the effect of TLK somewhat 2. decrease the effect of the other psi effects somewhat 3. randomise the attainment of psi specs JUST GET RID is about as balanced as my discussion is on this subject. People have said that I started moaning about PSI after what happened to me on Sunday, and that it's just sour grapes. Damn right it is!!!!! I have never had a PSI ganger, and knew nothing about it, I guess I just assumed the abilities would be to do with firing bonuses etc. Having someone use Jedi mind powers to turn my guns off at the start of a DeathRace was far and away the most bizarre, unfair, and completely out of context moment I have had in any game. Ever. SAM What were you drinking (and where can I buy some?) when you decided to introduce Offensive, Attack 'Spells' into a gritty, post apocalyptic, vehicle based combat game! On Sunday I discovered 2 new things in DW. You can't modify vehicles in camp that have been pooled by other campmates....... but you CAN use mind attack spells to turn peoples guns off in a DR! bizarre- just bizarre. ......................... vet ww wv e2g gwextrav sssc northernsummer gateautumn deathrce1 marshal race1 raceL1 combat1 pvp5 pvp4 pvp3 pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 8:57 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Brunwulf said: SAM What were you drinking (and where can I buy some?) when you decided to introduce Offensive, Attack 'Spells' into a gritty, post apocalyptic, vehicle based combat game! I think ninesticks and hula will attest that it was probably no more than a few shandies.... We have to get another Sam drinking night organised.... Its great! ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 9:32 am

*Brunwulf* Wulf Guard Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,299 Joined: May 17, 2012 *Tinker* said: Pyro Offense: is probably the strongest,. it's range is well balanced. Defensive Energy Defense: is the best defense against the AI and players, give near complete immunity for a few turns. Telekinesis Defense: is the weakest a) mind push is only useful on light subcompacts, pitiful on sedans and especially suvs b) dust cloud is as useful as a smoke cloud (best on sand) Mind Control Strategy: is good a) mind mask is great to farm high famed gangs because they don't loose fame after you crush them b) terror is weak because of it's low range and power (you need many high power terror attacks in a row to change the tide of battle) EMP Defense: is the arguably the best for PvP since most players use v8s. ---- I would argue that TLK needs a little love, when you compare it to PYRO were in one turn you can disable a nearby opponent, TLK lets you at best give them a negative modifier to hit you for a few turns, or give them a light push that will probably not push them out of LoF. So yeah TLK is the weakest combat psi in my opinion, has no reason why you would want to have it unless for RP reasons or you want to feel like a good helpful Jedi for your fellow scouters. But I guess the best way to balance them out is to NOT LET YOU CHOOSE YOUR PSI SKILL period. (and give a big boost to the mind push of TLK) I think you should roll a random psi specialism at you 1st 50 skill points, then at your next 50 get the option to roll the dice again OR follow in your original ability To think I have been merrily grinding along in this game for 10 months, without even realising that this utter ridiculousness was going on around me! Events are hard enough to win in this game when faced with the mighty talents of Joel, Necro, Lord Foul etc every sunday. I now have to sit on the startline, outnumbered 3-1, facing certain death, and now I have to worry about someone telepathically turning my guns off before I even get 1 puny little shot in! In the last couple of days I have wondered if this PSI nonsense is a gamebreaker for me. But now i'm thinking- NO. wait. Is this my calling. Is this my mission- my endgame? I am normally totally opposed to needlessly redding other players gangers, but.... (and you vets can snigger at me all you want) This PSI witchcraft nonsense has no place in Evan. If it is used against me again, I will not stop untill I have eliminated every evil, heretic practitioner of it from this world. If it takes me 5 years I swear I will not rest (or play on my Xbox) untill these pseudo Jedi sorcerer's are no longer darkening our rallys and races. PS. Obviously I will need some help in this matter! please visit my webpage at:  biting_off_more_than_I_can_chew.com to sign up. ......................... vet ww wv e2g gwextrav sssc northernsummer gateautumn deathrce1 marshal race1 raceL1 combat1 pvp5 pvp4 pvp3 pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 10:21 am Last edited Mar 12, 2013, 10:24 am by Brunwulf

*Brunwulf* Wulf Guard Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,299 Joined: May 17, 2012 Seriously though.... If Tinker is the only player currently employing these 'black arts' - and no-one else really wants PSI in the game, then there seems to me to be a very obvious solution to the problem that all the non Alleys can focus on........ ......................... vet ww wv e2g gwextrav sssc northernsummer gateautumn deathrce1 marshal race1 raceL1 combat1 pvp5 pvp4 pvp3 pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 10:29 am Last edited Mar 12, 2013, 10:37 am by Brunwulf

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Personally.... Can we stop wasting *Sam*'s time on this matter and move on? There are more important matters to contend with. Again this is degenerating into a have's vs have not's, again! I hate seeing how every discussion on how improvements turns into... Post 1 - Balance or change idea Post 2 - Possibly Constructive Post 3 - But I don't have it, why can't I? Post 4 - Explanation, Explanation, explanation Post 5 - But!..... Post 6 - Explanation, Explanation, explanation Post 7 - *Verbal tirade*, But, I still don't have it right this second, He does! Ban it! Post 8 - *Counter Tirade* Post 9 - *Spam* Post 10 - *More Spam* Post 11 - *Even More Spam* Post 12 - *Ad nauseam* Post 13 - *ad nauseum infinitum* Etc etc etc ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 11:03 am Last edited Mar 12, 2013, 11:58 am by Necrotech

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Post 14th .. yawn... Seriously guys Sam has put a lot of work into psionics, it was promised along time ago and took it's sweet time getting here. It's only sad that after it was implemented nobody could be in a position to give constructive criticism, yes even after the 2 week testing phase that only a handful of players (myself included) got a chance to barely test . I continued testing it out for myself with my own gangers that took forever to level up, (something like 2 IRL years?). Since we are coincidentally on the subject of Brun's warth, this is a good time as any to, with our shared experiences, put things into balance. It's not wasting Sam's time if we try to work with him and improve questionable aspects of the game. ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 12, 2013, 2:22 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 If people want to read up on it I collected all the old testing threads under one, you can find a link on the bottom of my gang info page ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 12, 2013, 2:25 pm

*Brunwulf* Wulf Guard Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,299 Joined: May 17, 2012 Necrotech said: Personally.... Can we stop wasting *Sam*'s time on this I agree totally Necro. This is my last post on the subject. IMO- PSI in DW is akin to introducing AK47s into AD&D- completely ludicrous and out of context. I have registered my disgust of this foul art, and stated my future intentions. As far as I'm concerned, this PSI witchcraft has no business being in this glorious game that I have grown to love so much. And I shall see it so. ......................... vet ww wv e2g gwextrav sssc northernsummer gateautumn deathrce1 marshal race1 raceL1 combat1 pvp5 pvp4 pvp3 pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 2:45 pm Last edited Mar 12, 2013, 3:19 pm by Brunwulf

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 I would agree that there are arguably other areas that need addressing first, however there is always merit to having a reasonable discussion about issues. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 6:04 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 I only have one thing to say about this thread really... lolwhut ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Mar 12, 2013, 6:56 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 There's many things that need improvement, but only problem is the player base can't get behind one idea or just don't care, or don't know what is a good idea if it bit them in the Ass, they love to tear down ideas if it doesn't suit their play styles or pre conceptions, Sam must thinking what the #### Some things are easier to implement than others, he's been in a rut with Into The Ruins for quite a while, or maybe just plain too busy idk, but there is zero radio contact on that front in the forums. He pops in on a suggestion once in a while, because HE thinks it's a good idea, and some #### face comes around screaming at the top of his voice that it will doom the game and he will quit yada yada... WTF is wrong with this community? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Mar 12, 2013, 7:00 pm

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