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camp pvp loophole closed

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 Necrotech said: Give them a 24 hour period of which to either remove themselves from the camp's roster or if PVP flag was not on initially, turn it on for the remainder of the "war" period. Ragnak said: I must be a very simple person so I guess I fail to see the big challenges here... I would think if a camp declares war on another, a simple check could be done on the members of the camps to ensure that their PVP flag was turned on. If a member of a camp has their flag turned off, they must either turn it on or remove themselves from the war by giving up their membership to the camp. If you want, treat as a flag reset so players must wait two weeks before switching it off or something. Seems reasonable to me. Much more so than that all or nothing PVP on or off BS. ......................... vet wv Posted Feb 12, 2013, 8:25 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Not sure what im risking.  Since I didnt decide to risk anything FOR anything nor did I take any action other than say I want people to target Longo so that I have a chance in the Ped Leagues after he promised to bow out after last season and then Re-Negged on that just because he wants to "Red out" Boon's "entire Gang" for shooting him with paintballs... But okay.  if one of the people I consider a friend wants to come attack and abuse me due to tha crowd he runs with, thats cool. I have nothing anyway. Necrotech said: Crispin.. even for all your whining... you yourself have done the Alley grievous injury. Here is the point you are definitely missing..... You mess with one of our full member unjustly, something real, has to be something detailed and documented, then you have messed with all of us. And you certainly on many levels, over many times... easily fit that criteria. Welcome to the $$$hit list... where for once in this game you actually rank higher than Boonwolf in *something*. Congratulations. StCrispin said: And now Necro gets to come shoot me for something someone else did to Joel. The Alley. sounds very Alley-ish to me. It is My neighbor Kicked my dog so im going to burn down the house of someone in the next town over.  who care if it isnt the one responsible. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 9:32 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 11:24 pm by StCrispin

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Alec Burke said: *Tinker* said: The only active open pvp camp is the Alley, and for what? it takes two to tango. They are only there to be punched around like a rag doll. As I am not part of any of the camp wars the Alley has been involved in, I had no knowledge that you guys were getting beat-up so much. I must admit that I am surprised to hear that you guys are doing so poorly. I also don't know that much about how camp wars function, but Sam has said that there is always 24 or 48 hours for you to retaliate after you've been attacked. But given the time it takes to move vehicles around Evan, perhaps that should be looked into some more. I still don't see this as an argument for making all camps and camp members to be PVP open. The Alley is doing well, it only got attacked once since i've been there and damage was minimal, my point was that they are sticking their necks out for no reason, they have a giant sign over their camp saying "come and get us, we love to be victimized" If having to be PvP opened to be allowed to benefits of camp goodies is too tough to swallow, then maybe this will go down easier. If your a camp member you are PvP able only from other "enemy" camp members. Each camp would be able to set a status for all the other camps to either friendly, enemy, or neutral ... but what's missing then is a mechanism to switch status and not leave it so a player can declare everyone enemies and then abuse fine standing citizens. My argument is there are too many camps. Also to entice PvP you need a good reason, a good reason for me is pissing off another camp. How do you piss off a insular camp culture? You open up as wide as possible all the ways to affect fame, and hence production time tables. What's valuable in this game is Time. ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 10:49 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Stop making the alley look like the victims, this is ####ing hilarious lol. All said and done they've antagonized the aggressors, not the other way around. A one sided mindset of "Friendly PvP" is antagonistic behaviour by the way. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 10:51 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 10:52 pm by FireFly

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 FireFly said: Stop making the alley look like the victims, this is ####ing hilarious lol. All said and done they've antagonized the aggressors, not the other way around. "Friendly PvP" is antagonistic behaviour by the way. Look! they are the only active camp with their PvP on, and they get nothing from that except a surprised camp attack without warning, just saying they are sticking their necks out for no good reason, hence the system is so broke ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 10:54 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *Tinker* said: FireFly said: Stop making the alley look like the victims, this is ####ing hilarious lol. All said and done they've antagonized the aggressors, not the other way around. "Friendly PvP" is antagonistic behaviour by the way. Look! they are the only active camp with their PvP on, and they get nothing from that except a surprised camp attack without warning, just saying they are sticking their necks out for no good reason, hence the system is so broke Sorry tinker, but going by that other thread I have to believe that you deeply underestimate the reason for why it is like it is, making more targets will not change things. Think long, and hard on WHY all those camps are closed. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:06 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Who are you kidding? Really, kid, you got to stop with the feigned ignorance. FireFly said: Stop making the alley look like the victims, this is ####ing hilarious lol. All said and done they've antagonized the aggressors, not the other way around. A one sided mindset of "Friendly PvP" is antagonistic behaviour by the way. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:08 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Necrotech said: Who are you kidding? Really, kid, you got to stop with the feigned ignorance. FireFly said: Stop making the alley look like the victims, this is ####ing hilarious lol. All said and done they've antagonized the aggressors, not the other way around. A one sided mindset of "Friendly PvP" is antagonistic behaviour by the way. Please, elaborate, because some people might get miffed by getting intercepted in the wilderness, or am I wrong about that? Not to mention the point boosting you guys run in the leagues, but I'd assume that is fair play to. Also, see how the quotes are getting messed up? This is why you put the quote above your response, there is actually a reason for that you know. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:11 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 11:13 pm by FireFly

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Elaborate? People that have done a full member harm or other action against the camp or it's members were targetted. Point boosting ? Oh you mean 2 people, out of a field of many in the same race, working together, now THERE's an original idea in this game. Many a season I have watched and participated where that NEVER happens. Outside of that... We were goaded yes, but we also answered the call... In the leagues, in the wilderness... wherever we can and do catch them. Most times we win, some we lose, and other victories are phyrric... Say what you will... but that is what is happening, and not straying from the facts. 'nuf said... ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:18 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 11:21 pm by Necrotech

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 And we really need to be able to eliminate camps, theres too many, this unilateral peace thing is ridiculous ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:18 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Happens when more than half are owned by 1 person... Welcome to the DW Wal-Marts... ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:25 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Necrotech said: Congratulations. StCrispin said: And now Necro gets to come shoot me for something someone else did to Joel. The Alley. sounds very Alley-ish to me. It is Your editing of JOEL to "Alley" is incorrect.  It was Joel ALONE who fought Zed, and Joel ALONE who chose to value his ganger lives over the well being of his much lauded camp. So the damage to the camp was as much Joel's fault as the attacker.  Joel needed only to put 2 more turns of fire on those last to "Things like that dont happen Deathtrap Flashes" that so easily were obliterated as they closed range, to WIN.  Instead he chose to lose and allow...  ALLOW by choice...  the Alley to be damaged. In my prior line of work, that type of behavior costs you your career. Dont sanitise what occured to leave Joel blameless.  He resigned to save a couple crew members, and caused harm to the Alley because of it. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:31 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 11:33 pm by StCrispin

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *Tinker* said: And we really need to be able to eliminate camps, theres too many, this unilateral peace thing is ridiculous You think less camps will = more combat? You really are missing the point entirely tinker, I don't dislike you, but think about WHY it is like it is. It goes well beyond the number of camps or the fact that you can turn a flag off. Necro, you guys were "Goaded" because you decide to use anything and everything you can to pull stunts, Joel openly admits that he likes to start #### to watch the house burn. As for the Leauges, I was more refeering joining the same event together to boost up the max point value for the event, if this was intentional sam would have built in a team system to begin with. As it is this is clearly EXPLOITING the fact that the point value for an even goes up if several subscribers join it. Imagine if Juan pulled this in the leagues? Having friends/paid people join his event, help him win it to boost up his point value above what you can reasonably expect to get in legitimate events, You among others would be throwing a tantrum over this. Yeah, this is "Playing the game" using the current rules and the flawed design if our leauge system, but you know what? Juan was "playing the game" under the current and flawed systems to, I've always said I don't defend Juan and I don't. But what's the saying again...? Don't pretend your own #### does not stink, I believe. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:37 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 11:41 pm by FireFly

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 You do realize that that expense we made great gains. Either way.. the "loss" really wasn't.. Joel, Longo, Tinker, Jagged, Baggers, and the rest *ARE* the Alley. Otherwise it's just another patch of dirt with a fence. Therein lies the differences. StCrispin said: Necrotech said: Congratulations. StCrispin said: And now Necro gets to come shoot me for something someone else did to Joel. The Alley. sounds very Alley-ish to me. It is Your editing of JOEL to "Alley" is incorrect.  It was Joel ALONE who fought Zed, and Joel ALONE who chose to value his ganger lives over the well being of his much lauded camp. So the damage to the camp was as much Joel's fault as the attacker.  Joel needed only to put 2 more turns of fire on those last to "Things like that dont happen Deathtrap Flashes" that so easily were obliterated as they closed range, to WIN.  Instead he chose to lose and allow...  ALLOW by choice...  the Alley to be damaged. In my prior line of work, that type of behavior costs you your career. Dont sanitise what occured to leave Joel blameless.  He resigned to save a couple crew members, and caused harm to the Alley because of it. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:39 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 11:39 pm by Necrotech

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Jose Bagg said: Let the weak camps die and the strong camps grow. and then you have a mirror of SS PvP.  The long term players "the few" have everything and are Godlike compared to the larger majority of players. Its great if you are aligned with and lick the boots of the players who have all the money and "stuff".  Lick a few boots, get goodies... But not good for people who want to be their own person or play the way they want to play instead of slaving for someone who was here the longest. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:40 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 [quote=StCrispin]Not sure what im risking. Since I didnt decide to risk anything FOR anything nor did I take any action other than say I want people to target Longo so that I have a chance in the Ped Leagues [b]after he promised to bow out after last season and then Re-Negged [/b]on that just because he wants to "Red out" Boon's "entire Gang" for shooting him with paintballs... [/quote=StCrispin] I promised! Are you 12? Did you cry when I decided to play the ped leagues this year? Your nerd brother had nothing to do with me staying in the ped leagues. If you looked last year I was able to play in all of the weeks due to personal commitments...but really, that is none of your business. I will play Dark-wind the way I want to, within the game rules, and continue to dominate people like you because you are evil. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:45 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Wait, do I hear a bunch of falacy? Regarding Joel or the leagues? Ask Jagged semi pro last year... He was going for real (first time in a sonic) or how many times Joel, Longo, or I shot each other to pieces... Got anymore bunk to disprove ? ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:45 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 FireFly said: *Tinker* said: And we really need to be able to eliminate camps, theres too many, this unilateral peace thing is ridiculous You think less camps will = more combat? You really are missing the point entirely tinker, I don't dislike you, but think about WHY it is like it is. It goes well beyond the number of camps or the fact that you can turn a flag off. Please explain what i'm missing Quote: As for the Leauges, I was more refeering joining the same event together to boost up the max point value for the event, if this was intentional sam would have built in a team system to begin with. As it is this is clearly EXPLOITING the fact that the point value for an even goes up if several subscribers join it. That's a good point, is that an exploit or the way Sam likes to see creative tactics, i'd wager for the later. ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:47 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Tinker* said: FireFly said: Stop making the alley look like the victims, this is ####ing hilarious lol. All said and done they've antagonized the aggressors, not the other way around. "Friendly PvP" is antagonistic behaviour by the way. Look! they are the only active camp with their PvP on, and they get nothing from that except a surprised camp attack without warning, just saying they are sticking their necks out for no good reason, hence the system is so broke And we discover from a new guy wanting revenge and retaliation on them...  That the camp is PvP on but the members he targeted are PvP OFF! Yell loophole Tink! And by the way, the Alley is not a victim.  The have threatedned to Red out entire gangs and intercept "until you quit DW" more than once to more than 1 person I wont name names.  dont play the childish "to who" games you Alley people play to deflect the statements.  The people who have done this know who thay are and respond angrily when "indirectly" mentioned. In fact...  a "Red you" threat was dropped just the other night when someone non-ally annoyed an Ally member.  And the annoyance did NOT cost the Alley member any pain injury or death.  But now someone is a target again for Red-stinction ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:48 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Try busting your butt to better yourself instead of whining. Stop worrying about licking boots and start kicking with them instead. StCrispin said: Jose Bagg said: Let the weak camps die and the strong camps grow. and then you have a mirror of SS PvP.  The long term players "the few" have everything and are Godlike compared to the larger majority of players. Its great if you are aligned with and lick the boots of the players who have all the money and "stuff".  Lick a few boots, get goodies... But not good for people who want to be their own person or play the way they want to play instead of slaving for someone who was here the longest. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:48 pm

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