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camp pvp loophole closed

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Following the exploit of a loophole in camp pvp that let a camp attack another and then close all of its 'open' hours to avoid retaliation, I am adding the following rule, with immediate effect: if you are at war with another camp, and you have less than 4 'open' hours in a day, they will be able to attack you at any time. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 11, 2013, 7:52 pm

*Brunwulf* Wulf Guard Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,299 Joined: May 17, 2012 Please can SAM or a Marshall confirm once and for all: If I am a member of a camp that is at war with another camp, can I attack ANY members of the enemy camp, ANYWHERE, whether they are PVP ON or OFF? Cheers, Brun. ......................... vet ww wv e2g gwextrav sssc northernsummer gateautumn deathrce1 marshal race1 raceL1 combat1 pvp5 pvp4 pvp3 pvp20,1,0 Posted Feb 11, 2013, 8:41 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Brunwulf said: Please can SAM or a Marshall confirm once and for all: If I am a member of a camp that is at war with another camp, can I attack ANY members of the enemy camp, ANYWHERE, whether they are PVP ON or OFF? Cheers, Brun. I've looked everywhere and I can't find an answer ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 7:28 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Brunwulf said: Please can SAM or a Marshall confirm once and for all: If I am a member of a camp that is at war with another camp, can I attack ANY members of the enemy camp, ANYWHERE, whether they are PVP ON or OFF? Cheers, Brun. No, you can't. That;'s the way it used to be, but with the simplified pvp rules brought in a few months ago, that changed. Squads can only now be attacked based on their owner's pvp status. With a camp war, all you can do is schedule an attack on the camp itself. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 10:27 am Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 10:28 am by *sam*

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 That's so lame ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 10:50 am

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Yep... lame... I think DW has reached the moment when PvP needs to either become completely open, or completely closed. As long as allowances are made for both opened and closed PvP status -LARGELY ON THE BASIS OF BASELESS WHINING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE- there will exist a number of critical, game-breaking problems cause directly by the ambivalent PvP rules. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:41 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Globally open PvP won't happen. If PvP was closed completely, I would have absolutely no reason to play. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 11:49 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Camps and specifically camp wars were made for PvP, what happened? edit: I see a gigantic loophole here, a PvP off member of a camp at war can travel unmolested while supplying their camp with vehicles and ammo and gangers even... ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 12:18 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 12:23 pm by *Tinker*

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Groove Champion said: Yep... lame... I think DW has reached the moment when PvP needs to either become completely open, or completely closed. I would love it to be so, but there is still room to maneuver here. The Camp system can be overhauled to be a pvp paradise you belong to a camp, and are a full member? 1.Pvp on 2. A camp member hits another camp member's squad, the camp gains/looses fame based on the outcome without needing to be at war, but the gains/losses are 50% of what it should be. Have camps set another camp's status to; enemy friend or neutral. You can't belong to two camps that are enemies just throwing this out there, trying to find a dynamic system conducive to foster competition If a friendly camp's squad gets whacked by another camp you share some fame loss and vice versa AT War: If an enemy camp wins a town event you are in your camp(s) get a low fame hit and vice versa. the more expensive the event the higher the effect ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 12:38 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 12:43 pm by *Tinker*

*Brunwulf* Wulf Guard Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,299 Joined: May 17, 2012 +100000000 to those ideas Tinker. ......................... vet ww wv e2g gwextrav sssc northernsummer gateautumn deathrce1 marshal race1 raceL1 combat1 pvp5 pvp4 pvp3 pvp20,1,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 12:50 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Another loophole Sam, StChrispin took over the camp and war is ending before nec's squad can make it ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 1:27 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Tinker* said: you belong to a camp, and are a full member? 1.Pvp on and then camps would see a large Exodous of those not wanting to get boned by snotty enemys who went to war with a camp where they get repairs done en-route during travels.  and then Mech rating drops due to loss of their mechs, then camp ability declines. then everyone whines that the camp system is broken so then that gets changed to be easier... welcome to DW death spiral. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 1:36 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 StCrispin said: *Tinker* said: you belong to a camp, and are a full member? 1.Pvp on and then camps would see a large Exodous of those not wanting to get boned by snotty enemys who went to war with a camp where they get repairs done en-route during travels.  and then Mech rating drops due to loss of their mechs, then camp ability declines. then everyone whines that the camp system is broken so then that gets changed to be easier... welcome to DW death spiral. You talking about associate members? that needs an overhaul, not even sure they can even get repairs atm ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 1:53 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Tinker* said: Another loophole Sam, StChrispin took over the camp and war is ending before nec's squad can make it Sam allowed this. And now Necro gets to come shoot me for something someone else did to Joel. sounds very Alley-ish to me. My neighbor Kicked my dog so im going to burn down the house of someone in the next town over.  who care if it isnt the one responsible. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 1:53 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Tinker* said: Another loophole Sam, StChrispin took over the camp and war is ending before nec's squad can make it Not a loophole. You can create attacks as long as the war is active. Those attacks are scheduled anytime from 24 to 48 hours in the future, to give the defenders time to assemble a squad. It doesn't matter if that scheduled time is after the war is over. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 2:41 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 StCrispin said: *Tinker* said: Another loophole Sam, StChrispin took over the camp and war is ending before nec's squad can make it Sam allowed this. And now Necro gets to come shoot me for something someone else did to Joel. sounds very Alley-ish to me. My neighbor Kicked my dog so im going to burn down the house of someone in the next town over.  who care if it isnt the one responsible. Why would you take over a camp that's at war then? and then complain about getting attacked It's complicated, why not disable ownership transfers until after the war ends? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 3:01 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 To be honest, it sounds rather exploity'ish. I catch a camp flat footed of an enemy who *just* attacked mine, and magically it switches hands and changes it's name after another "loophole" has been closed concerning that camp? Seems a little odd the timing don't ya think ? StCrispin said: *Tinker* said: Another loophole Sam, StChrispin took over the camp and war is ending before nec's squad can make it Sam allowed this. And now Necro gets to come shoot me for something someone else did to Joel. sounds very Alley-ish to me. My neighbor Kicked my dog so im going to burn down the house of someone in the next town over.  who care if it isnt the one responsible. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 3:08 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 3:16 pm by Necrotech

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 *sam* said: *Tinker* said: Another loophole Sam, StChrispin took over the camp and war is ending before nec's squad can make it Not a loophole. You can create attacks as long as the war is active. Those attacks are scheduled anytime from 24 to 48 hours in the future, to give the defenders time to assemble a squad. It doesn't matter if that scheduled time is after the war is over. K thanks for clearing that up, but how long do camp wars exist? Also why is it closing so fast? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 3:14 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 it closes when one of the camp owners requests it to close, but with a delay of (I think) 48 hours. Simple Zed requested it to close immediately after he launched his attack on the Alley. I don't think the fact that the camp changed ownership during these events is important. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 12, 2013, 3:23 pm Last edited Feb 12, 2013, 3:24 pm by *sam*

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 *sam* said: it closes when one of the camp owners requests it to close, but with a delay of (I think) 48 hours. Simple Zed requested it to close immediately after he launched his attack on the Alley. Let me get this straight Ok say tomorrow, peace exists, and the Alley wanted to fight again it would have to have permission from st chrisp because his camp's pvp status is closed ?? The alley has it's pvp status on, so anyone can take a pot shot, declaring a war that is auto-accepted, then close their camp to pvp immediately and be safe 4 days later by ending the war unilaterally.... ? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Feb 12, 2013, 3:32 pm

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