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Everything wrong about PvP

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Serephe said: Yeah making things a pain in the ass sucks; sure wish the game was open pvp so pvp wasn't such a royal pain in the ass.  I wouldn't argue with that. You know I don't disagree with you on that point, and that I wasn't talking about that at all. Just because PvP in general is poorly implemented doesn't mean everything else in Dark Wind has to be equally tedious. Serephe said: Seriously if you think making sure your squad is pvp off when you don't feel like pvp is micromanaging you are playing the wrong game. I don't have this problem, because my PvP flag is on and I couldn't care less whether I get intercepted or not. However, if I did want to avoid PvP at all cost and threw an 'all welcome' call for scouting in the lobby, I wouldn't enjoy going through the list of those who had joined, picking out the ones with the wrong flag and kicking them out of my squad. I woiuldn't enjoy making a specific demand of other players that they stay out of my events because they've chosen one way or another on the PvP question. First of all, it shouldn't be such a polarizing issue. Secondly, what I describe above is tedious micro-management. I'm not playing the wrong game, you are choosing to look at this issue with a closed mind because it doesn't favor PvP. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 11:22 am

limaechogolf Ravenous Lunatics Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: Jul 22, 2011 Seems to me we already know the two or three gangs with PVP off. So just call out for them to group scout or IM them. As bad as my gang is I like the PVP, I just wish I was with a Veteran band when I got attacked that might make the outcome a little different. Now having a MAX CR outta of SS might make things a little fairer and leave some decent NPC gangs available to hunt for newer gangers. Meaning there shouldnt be allowed these FIRE ENGINE, TRASH TRUCK BUZZER combos to attack some Evan Enforcers and Phos in the first place. The town of SS and their mayor should stand up to the Governor of Evan and let it be known we are a civilized town and we are going to take your CarCannons and AntiTank guns at the Gates you can have them when you leave. It doesnt teach a new player one bit that tags along how to scout when you line up and start blasting things with mortars and car cannons that is not strategy thats just having way more inventory then the others these heavy weapons should be in Gw or Badlands helping clean up the wastes so oneday these towns can build a hospital and training center so thier bastard children can one day say i have a future. ......................... vet wv paintladder gateautumn raceL1 deathrceL10,1,0 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 12:27 pm

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Groove Champion said: I don't have this problem, because my PvP flag is on and I couldn't care less whether I get intercepted or not. However, if I did want to avoid PvP at all cost and threw an 'all welcome' call for scouting in the lobby, I wouldn't enjoy going through the list of those who had joined, picking out the ones with the wrong flag and kicking them out of my squad. I woiuldn't enjoy making a specific demand of other players that they stay out of my events because they've chosen one way or another on the PvP question. First of all, it shouldn't be such a polarizing issue. Secondly, what I describe above is tedious micro-management. I'm not playing the wrong game, you are choosing to look at this issue with a closed mind because it doesn't favor PvP. You're forgetting the part where the entire game is tedious micro-management, even including the actual combat itself. Making sure you don't have anyone you don't want in your squad isn't a PvP issue, it's a game issue. Especially with team killing back on the cards. I don't have a closed mind, I have one that isn't controlled by ADD. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 1:19 pm

*DoubleTap* The Ghosts Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 895 Joined: Jul 13, 2007 Serephe said: I have one that isn't controlled by ADD. Briefly read that last word as "acid;" mad me laugh. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Oct 18, 2012, 2:51 pm

*Jagged Monkey* Bazooka Joes Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 594 Joined: Jul 13, 2010 The squad page does mention, in red, when someone in the squad is open to PvP and that you are open for attack. FYI ......................... vet wv combatL1 semiprocombat marshal elmsautumn northernsummer0,1,0 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 5:39 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Regarding the payment of bounties to avoid a combat, in case anyone missed this subtlety: In the maps around the northern towns (SS,Elms,GW), a pre-computed 'bounty' can be paid in order to force a truce. This is primarily to allow safe travels here if you are generally open to pvp but don't currently have the time or inclination to run a pvp battle. The size of the bounty depends on the CRs of the vehicles in the squad and the fame of the gangs that own them. So, you don't have to close your pvp flag just becuase of limited play-time and not wanting to have unpredictable game lengths. Just stay north when your time is tight. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 6:02 pm

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Serephe said: You're forgetting the part where the entire game is tedious micro-management, even including the actual combat itself. Making sure you don't have anyone you don't want in your squad isn't a PvP issue, it's a game issue. Especially with team killing back on the cards. There is a lot of micro-management in Dark Wind, but I think most of it is fun. Checking squad members before getting into the action isn't fun at all: it's an unnecessary delay that stems from the PvP flag dictating what can and can't happen to a group of players that have chosen differently on the PvP question. Not a plus at all in my opinion. Serephe said: I don't have a closed mind, I have one that isn't controlled by ADD. I'm sorry to see I'm on your bad side now, Sere. Didn't mean to fling mud at you. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 8:46 pm Last edited Oct 18, 2012, 8:47 pm by Groove Champion

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Groove Champion said: Serephe said: You're forgetting the part where the entire game is tedious micro-management, even including the actual combat itself. Making sure you don't have anyone you don't want in your squad isn't a PvP issue, it's a game issue. Especially with team killing back on the cards. There is a lot of micro-management in Dark Wind, but I think most of it is fun. Checking squad members before getting into the action isn't fun at all: it's an unnecessary delay that stems from the PvP flag dictating what can and can't happen to a group of players that have chosen differently on the PvP question. Not a plus at all in my opinion. Serephe said: I don't have a closed mind, I have one that isn't controlled by ADD. I'm sorry to see I'm on your bad side now, Sere. Didn't mean to fling mud at you. you two should remember you are on the same side.... EVIL!!! ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 9:42 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 If you are concerned about being forced to pay a bounty, but still wish to scout with players who are open to PvP, simply let it be known ahead of time tht the open players will be asked to foot the bill should the need arise. Or, engage the interceptor, and have fun with it. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 10:08 pm

*The X Man* Better Off Dead Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Game Manager Posts: 2,207 Joined: Jul 25, 2012 *sam* said: Regarding the payment of bounties to avoid a combat, in case anyone missed this subtlety: In the maps around the northern towns (SS,Elms,GW), a pre-computed 'bounty' can be paid in order to force a truce. This is primarily to allow safe travels here if you are generally open to pvp but don't currently have the time or inclination to run a pvp battle. The size of the bounty depends on the CRs of the vehicles in the squad and the fame of the gangs that own them. So, you don't have to close your pvp flag just becuase of limited play-time and not wanting to have unpredictable game lengths. Just stay north when your time is tight. Very useful information Sam, Thank you. Now, how do we implement that feature if an intercept happens to us again so we do not have to over pay...again?!? ......................... vet wv marshal paintladder zom circuit3 paintball raceL1 race1 pvp4 hammer circuit2 pvp2 circuit1 gwped pvp5 pvp3 pvp1 deathrceL1 triangle1 combatL1 elmsautumn combat1 northernsummer1,3,0 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 10:12 pm

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 You paid for the possibility of trucing. You benefitted from an exception made for the northern towns. Next time do what Blackwill suggested: have the PvP-on players foot the bill. If they refuse, I guess you don't have many options with your PvP flag turned off. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 10:27 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Krakhedd said: Event #S502167 - "No Way" versus "Peacekeepers".  No Way hunting Raiders outside SS.  Somebody had their PvP flag on. For sake of taking care of the OP - did you get your questions answered? I know there's a lot of talk in this thread, and a lot of it is good information to air out, but have YOU been satisfied that your questions have been answered? Not that you necessarily agree with the answers, but are they there? JL ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Oct 18, 2012, 10:33 pm

madmax MainForcePatrol Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 560 Joined: Dec 6, 2007 Maybe just have the bounty be cheaper in SS than GW? 500k isn't exactly getting off easy. Honestly, the best part of scouting out of SS is that pretty much everyone can join in, and having to limit it to people with the PVP flag off would just make it harder to go scouting. And telling a newer player he should "just have fun" getting blown to pieces by tank guns is kinda silly. ......................... vet wv Posted Dec 12, 2012, 6:11 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 madmax said: And telling a newer player he should "just have fun" getting blown to pieces by tank guns is kinda silly. Are there vets attacking new players with Tank guns?  I haven't seen an NPC gang in the Northern Triangle toting around any Tank Guns.  And, if a gang is bringing heavy weapons into a PvP event against a new player, then maybe the CR balancer is broken. If a veteran player is attacking a new player with anything larger than a Gat (possibly an HMG), maybe the rest of us should track them down and see that they dont do it again....ever. A self-policing community only ever works if the community actually takes a stand. Check out the CoE 2 in Texan....and see what happens when two noob players get tired of being harassed and obliterated by a player who consistently brings ganger-killer weapons into PvP events.....teamwork works.  Scratch 2 car cannons and one Legendary BPU. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Dec 12, 2012, 6:33 pm

madmax MainForcePatrol Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 560 Joined: Dec 6, 2007 Um, yeah? Krak said that the other squad had a Fire Engine with Tank Guns. ......................... vet wv Posted Dec 12, 2012, 6:40 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 it did ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted Dec 12, 2012, 6:41 pm

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Oh...well, then..... It may be time for a bit of retribution. Snipe: What time will you be on tonight...just out of curiosity? ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted Dec 12, 2012, 7:28 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Told you so. Complicated mess. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Dec 16, 2012, 10:31 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Nice Try Black.. That "destroyed" Legendary BPU, Funny, It just "obliterated" another of your vehicles... per usual. Even has the original weapons. How did THAT happen? I don't remember, I got, what was is it in that event? That's it!, I rolled for first place. How did *THAT happen? And how did you end up in that event... DNF, yep zilch. As for harassing.. that is your stock and trade. Leave the winning to those who put the wrench time in. And BTW, *ALL* weapons are ganger killers... unless it has something to do with paint. So please.. do check out that event... rather humorous actually. Not sure what you thought you were celebrating... Almost doesn't cut it.... Blackwill said: Check out the CoE 2 in Texan....and see what happens when two noob players get tired of being harassed and obliterated by a player who consistently brings ganger-killer weapons into PvP events.....teamwork works.  Scratch 2 car cannons and one Legendary BPU. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Dec 16, 2012, 10:42 pm Last edited Dec 16, 2012, 11:06 pm by Necrotech

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 First in which event? TX? Because I know u cant mean SF! You got first there because I gave it to you. Suggestion of avoiding CC rounds to my car was not what prompted me to let you win. It was the same as why I let Brun finish ahead of me too; well... 2 reasons really, primarily out of respect and friendship/comradery but secondly because me placing first doesnt change any rankings for the better. Plus now in a simlar situation or when im in need of an assist, I can say, hey... Remember the times ive... Etc... Heh heh. How many players realize that for all your bluster and smack talk, you tend to lean towards the respectable side overall? ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Dec 17, 2012, 1:37 am

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