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Scripts v.300, pvp changes

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 582 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 And as far as breaking the game, Joel. I believe you already have........check all them badges. We all know the top players - and give them a grudging respect - but if ANY vet cant handle competition in any form then take Joels actions as an example and shoot me out of the event. I prolly dont stand much of a chance at winning anything, but I'll be damned if I dont try. But to break the game when a change is made that you dont totally agree with? Maybe we are still in kindergarten............Wheres my nappy mat? ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,5,2 Posted Sep 14, 2012, 5:44 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Way to fan the flames Snipe. I agree that what happened with Longo was pretty funny (and clever) but Joel brought up a good point about how the DR mafia wouldn't like intentional friendly fire in a PB match. I know you lose points for shooting an ally but PB is different than a normal combat event - one hit and you are out - so maybe Sam needs to increase the point penalty. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Sep 14, 2012, 5:54 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 582 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 Juris said: Way to fan the flames Snipe.  Hey, I just call it like I see it.  Apparently forums is the place to find the fire. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,5,2 Posted Sep 14, 2012, 7:16 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Last time I fought in regular ped combats it was one shot and you are out too. Longos guys just had to wipe paint off their coats, my guys had to grow new heads. If the DR mafia don't think stabbing people in the back is a legitimate activity then they are like no other mafia i have every heard of. Longo didn't loose his place because the opponent who stiffed him scored more points. He went down because he didn't score any himself. Even a useless AI team that got one hit would have sent him packing. Increasing the penalty wouldn't change that. If you shhot your own team and as a result the opponents win overall, every gang in that other team gets the points hike. This in addition to your own penalty should be decisive. Once you have broken the habit of awlays winning, it may be easier to not have to win next year. Longo may eventually see this as a liberating experience. It's somehting all the ususal suspects should experience. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Sep 14, 2012, 7:54 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 What score in league points or placement would someone get if you gunned down your entire team and then resigned so the opposing team had no points at all? Just curious. In a friendly fire situation, IRL (DW anyway) i'd think the team, fearing for its safety would turn on, and gun down the perpetrator. Is this a possible addition/modification/deterant that is easily codable? And if so, can it identify legitimate STT as opposed to accudental LOF incidents. If it cant be diferentiated, then the AI would slaughter eachother because they are always shooting eachother anyway ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 14, 2012, 9:11 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 I doubt the rest of the team would notice or care. We didn't until Longo got bent out of shape ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Sep 14, 2012, 9:37 pm Last edited Sep 14, 2012, 9:38 pm by Iron Wraith

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: Yes I do intend to break the current PvP system as best I can (or show the futility of the flag as best I can.)  You were right about that. Joel, I feel I need to warn you on this. Do not attempt to break the game in any way. Why?  I will not have to violate any code of conduct to show how useless the PvP flag is. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,103,31 Posted Sep 15, 2012, 7:38 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Snipe said: And as far as breaking the game, Joel.  I believe you already have........check all them badges.  We all know the top players - and give them a grudging respect - but if ANY vet cant handle competition in any form then take Joels actions as an example and shoot me out of the event.  I prolly dont stand much of a chance at winning anything, but I'll be damned if I dont try. But to break the game when a change is made that you dont totally agree with?    Maybe we are still in kindergarten............Wheres my nappy mat? I broke the game cause I like playing in leagues? (yes I have lost...I do not win every time or throw a fit if I don't - what gives?). Bah I'm at my limit ,  everyone slander away, I don't give a flying #### any more.  At some point I guess, ya just give up. I am going to act as bad as people say I am. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,103,31 Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:03 pm Last edited Sep 15, 2012, 10:06 pm by Joel Autobaun

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 StCrispin said: Grumble, Gnash teeth... Stuff Snipe said: Chirp Squawk Flame flame flame... drama ~n~ *Stuff* Joel Autobaun said: *ANGRY* Grumbling..  bicker..  more stuff Necrotech said: What happened to having fun?... Even  more Stuff ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:31 pm

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 582 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 Well, jeez....maybe I will just take a break from forums for a while. Seems everyone is just looking for an enemy nowadays. I dont want to have to filter my posts to make sure I dont offend someone enough that they come out to kill me. I will wait till everything gets all settled. If you want me - you know where to find me. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,5,2 Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:36 pm

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Maybe it's me... just grown very weary of seeing the forum turning less of a forum but more into well.. this... *sigh* Then again, maybe it's just me.. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:42 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 I don't think there is any evidence of Joel violating any advised game rules. He has pushed them to the limit (and in so doing has demonstrated clearly where the limits are). This has sometimes resulted in the game rules being more rigourously enforced. He has argued for agressive PvP (and has shown himself quite willing, even gratified, to accept the consequences when it has worked against him). He has argued about an overly-protective game environment (carebear) and I agree that much of this is not in the spirit of the harsh genre DW is supposed to engender. Whilst he has publically stated that he has grudged me, I am happy to confirm that he has taken no action against me that I would consider unreasonable. His no truce policy has been openly stated and trucing is somewhat against the spirit of the game anyway. I will truce if requested, but I am happy to accept a no truce engagement. I will honour any truce (barring mistakes) and I will make war against the ganger that claims a truce and then breaks the deal and behaves dishonourably but the vendetta will end with the death of the crew responsible (yeah I know it is really the player, but you have to allow an opportunity for reflection and remorse). I don't doubt that if I find myself in an area fight with him he will do his best to defeat me and I wouldn't expect him to do otherwise. I would hope he would honour resignations but that is his choice, hell the NPCs don't seem to. We are probably in agreement concerning the spirit of PvP and only differ in a few areas of implementation. I often disagree with Joels opinions and his way of expressing them, but I don't doubt his passion for the game. Credit where credit is due. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Sep 15, 2012, 11:00 pm

iceman Sock Monkey Killaz Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 924 Joined: May 13, 2009 Well i was thking of resubbing after a year but then i just read this thread and decided not to Different year same s**t ......................... vet wv Posted Sep 15, 2012, 11:01 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 All this from 3 paintball hits. For necro:  Quote: Straw...  Camel...  Stuff... Broken?  Mumble mumble, darkside... ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 16, 2012, 12:26 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,789 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Joel Autobaun said: *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: Yes I do intend to break the current PvP system as best I can (or show the futility of the flag as best I can.)  You were right about that. Joel, I feel I need to warn you on this. Do not attempt to break the game in any way. Why?  I will not have to violate any code of conduct to show how useless the PvP flag is. As you know, I have no problem with your gameplay approach in general, however, publicly stating that you intend to break the game isn't acceptable ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 16, 2012, 1:44 pm Last edited Sep 16, 2012, 1:46 pm by *sam*

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 You know, i just checked google Joel, and there's some easy tricks you can use to deal with those temper tantrums, but the easiest way is to grow up. ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Sep 16, 2012, 2:35 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,518 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Thats a bit unfair Juan. You are not really one to talk, by that last post alone. You were talking about bullying the other day if I remember? Quote: I will not have to violate any code of conduct to show how useless the PvP flag is. I like the PvP flag. Yes I understand the drawbacks you often state, but this being a game that can be played at peoples pleasure and choice, I think the flag is needed. Provisions to prevent hiding behind the flag, I think, is the next progression. Has there been much PvP since the change? Anything happening in somerset? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,2 Posted Sep 16, 2012, 3:00 pm

*Jagged Monkey* Bazooka Joes Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 597 Joined: Jul 13, 2010 I intend to get even. That's all I got to say about that. ......................... vet wv combatL1 semiprocombat marshal elmsautumn northernsummer0,1,0 Posted Sep 16, 2012, 5:36 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: *sam* said: Joel Autobaun said: Yes I do intend to break the current PvP system as best I can (or show the futility of the flag as best I can.)  You were right about that. Joel, I feel I need to warn you on this. Do not attempt to break the game in any way. Why?  I will not have to violate any code of conduct to show how useless the PvP flag is. As you know, I have no problem with your gameplay approach in general, however, publicly stating that you intend to break the game isn't acceptable I am going to show how ridiculous the PvP flag is (cause no one will listen to me.. I change it with action)  And then you are going to fix it ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,103,31 Posted Sep 16, 2012, 6:47 pm

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 *Bastille* said: Thats a bit unfair Juan. You are not really one to talk, by that last post alone. You were talking about bullying the other day if I remember? Quote: I will not have to violate any code of conduct to show how useless the PvP flag is. I like the PvP flag. Yes I understand the drawbacks you often state, but this being a game that can be played at peoples pleasure and choice, I think the flag is needed. Provisions to prevent hiding behind the flag, I think, is the next progression. Has there been much PvP since the change? Anything happening in somerset? Most of the PvP has happened in the Forums...  heh...  I do know alot of peop0le who were flagged PvP "on" changed it to "off" for assorted reasons.  Personally I changed mine to "off" because I dont want my SS scouts interupted every time I anger someone in the forum.  Which I tend to do...  Not on purpose most of the time but my opinions tend to make people mad at me. The "traveling back to town" time delay was what concerned me.  I dont want to get my entire gang tied up returning to town.  Once wouldnt be bad but it wad been mentioned in Lobby on 2 or more occasions that certrain unnamed people would find "every scout" they sent out interceted to cause this effect of not letting them play.  I no longer remember who was saying that but discovered it was more grandiosity then reality since it is appearantly not easy to intercept. But thats what propted me to go PvP Off. ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 16, 2012, 10:30 pm

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