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Scripts v.300, pvp changes

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 This patch simplifies the pvp rules, and makes them (I hope) better for both those who like pvp play and those who don't. Judging by the vote on this (65 to 6) I think the vast majority of players agree. Two things to note before I outline the current rules: 1. I will reset everyone's "change pvp flag" delay timer in case they changed it within the last 14 days and want to re-change now 2. There may be bugs, so please bear with me. -------------------------------------------------------- THE FUNDAMENTALS Gangs have a pvp flag. This lets them be open or closed for pvp. This flag cannot be switched more often than once every 14 days. Squads have a pvp flag. It will be 'on' if any of the squad's vehicles belong to players with an open flag, and will be 'off' otherwise. If a squad's flag is on, it can attempt to intercept other squads, and can be intercepted by other pvp squads. The likelihood of a successful intercept depends on the opposing scouts (and the vehicles they're in). Note that squads returning from a scout can never be intercepted. In the maps around the northern towns (SS,Elms,GW), a pre-computed 'bounty' can be paid in order to force a truce. This is primarily to allow safe travels here if you are generally open to pvp but don't currently have the time or inclination to run a pvp battle. The size of the bounty depends on the CRs of the vehicles in the squad and the fame of the gangs that own them. If a squad's pvp flag is off, it can't intercept or be intercepted anywhere. ADDITIONAL RULES & INFO It is possible to target and fire your guns at squadmates cars, although you are liable to lose reputation with the local town and its primary faction by doing so. Note also that, if you attack a squadmate, then other members of the squad will be able to attack you without losing reputation. In pvp combats, there are some special safeguards to reduce ganger deaths. Firstly, a 500 skill medic is always assumed to be available. Secondly, there are never return encounters after a pvp combat. Pvp combats yield greater skill gains than regular pve ones. Any gang with a car in a squad that is used to intercept another squad will have their pvp flag set to 'on'. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 9:27 am

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Begin. Ovation. Now. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Aug 29, 2012, 2:30 pm

Tez Blood Roses Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 13, 2009 I thought you said somewhere that the squad owners PvP flag determines the PvP status of the squad? ......................... vet wv combat1 pvp3 pvp51,4,0 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 3:11 pm

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 not sure if this is the right place, but i just cannot get patches to apply for me without massive retrying, and without knowing at the end when it finally works what i did right. i have vista, and i'm: uninstalling darkwind, including removing the directory running the installer as admin running the game the first time as admin it does do the counting thing it does when patching, but i always always get the out of date message, and restarting the lobby does not seem to help any advice? ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 3:25 pm

Alec Burke Overlanders Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Sep 5, 2010 Sam did say he mentioned squad owner determining PVP status of squad at one point early in this recent PVP discussion, but it was not made part of the vote.  That's not the way it has worked in the past, and since it was not being voted on, it is not currently going to be changed. Here is Sam's post in the Poll thread: Sam said: I should point out, since there is a bit of confusion here: I *did* at one point mention that the squad status would now depend on the squad owner alone. But I removed that in the current vote/proposal, so the existing rule will remain: the pvp status of the squad is 'on' if any current vehicle owners have their flag 'on'. I will fix the bug which stopped it being updated when a car leaves the squad. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp2 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 3:28 pm Last edited Aug 29, 2012, 3:29 pm by Alec Burke

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 musashi_san said: not sure if this is the right place, but i just cannot get patches to apply for me without massive retrying, and without knowing at the end when it finally works what i did right. i have vista, and i'm: uninstalling darkwind, including removing the directory running the installer as admin running the game the first time as admin it does do the counting thing it does when patching, but i always always get the out of date message, and restarting the lobby does not seem to help any advice? Hmm. Running the lobby/patcher program as admin *should* do the trick. You're sure it's installed in a folder that's not read-only? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 3:44 pm Last edited Aug 29, 2012, 3:45 pm by *sam*

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 i just: uninstalled deleted the darkwind dir reinstalled as an admin used the security tab in windows to force full control for users and auth users ran the game the first time as an admin it did count, but it seemed very fast, and only counted to 100 something, not 600 something like i've seen it do before still no luck. could this somehow be firewall related? not if it seems to attempt to patch, right? ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 3:56 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Not firewall I think, the patching is all done over the normal web port (80) However, maybe it's related to antivirus software?, I know some of them will roll back 'unauthorised' file changes without telling you there's actually only 1 client file being patched here: it's darkwind/client/scripts/client.cs.dso - you could try opening up this folder to one side as you try the patch, and watch the folder to see if the file updates and then switches back to the old version - if you're seeing 60 or whatever files changing, it's presumably because you don't have a properly patched client to start with (caused by the same problem no doubt) ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 4:40 pm Last edited Aug 29, 2012, 4:41 pm by *sam*

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 seems to have resolved itself. i got the out of date message, played a couple quick encounters anyway, closed it, went to a meeting, came back and restarted and it says i'm up to date. windows explorer did crash and restart in between, not sure how that could be related but windows is odd. maybe i just needed to be patient? doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would run asynchronously... anyway, thanks again for your time and being soooo responsive. ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted Aug 29, 2012, 5:34 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 *sam* said: 2. There may be bugs, so please bear with me. S488538 limaechogolf accidentally fired on and hurt Lumplore's gangster on a return encounter at ss gates, but he saw no drop in civ standings. His faction is merchants, and lump's is renegade. ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Aug 30, 2012, 12:55 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 *Tinker* said: *sam* said: 2. There may be bugs, so please bear with me. S488538 limaechogolf accidentally fired on and hurt Lumplore's gangster on a return encounter at ss gates, but he saw no drop in civ standings. His faction is merchants, and lump's is renegade. Did he target him? (in which case how the fk can it be accidental??) ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Aug 30, 2012, 2:07 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Tinker* said: *sam* said: 2. There may be bugs, so please bear with me. S488538 limaechogolf accidentally fired on and hurt Lumplore's gangster on a return encounter at ss gates, but he saw no drop in civ standings. His faction is merchants, and lump's is renegade. I found the bug, thanks. I had copied code from peds to vehicles and should have changed one line ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Aug 30, 2012, 8:43 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Joel Autobaun said: *Tinker* said: *sam* said: 2. There may be bugs, so please bear with me. S488538 limaechogolf accidentally fired on and hurt Lumplore's gangster on a return encounter at ss gates, but he saw no drop in civ standings. His faction is merchants, and lump's is renegade. Did he target him? (in which case how the fk can it be accidental??) ROFL lump was in a loot evans enforcer, LEG didn't notice it was blue in the heat of battle ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Aug 30, 2012, 9:35 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 This is complete CRAP! I was winning the Paintball League. By ALOT. Nobody could really catch me without a major disaster. I joined the last week in an event, just now. The guy closest to me was Boon, gang fingers, and I had him by 8 points coming into the final week. Him and StCrispin were in the game. Boon was on my team. In the first 2 rounds, he shot and painted all 3 of my guys. Obviously this was not as the game was intended, or so I hope. Boom flat out was unsportsmanlike. He said nothing, but StCrispin just kept saying "Thank Joel." He was obviously aware what Boon was going to do. Want to see what it takes to have a 5 year player quit Dark-wind? I'm done. Boon is a complete loser, a scumbag. You guys can have all of my crap. I'm not coming back. What a great community DW has turned into. Nice to know you all. -Longo - Event ID 202175 ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 12, 2012, 6:12 am

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 I was unaway of what boon planned but it is a direct result of the new own team targetting that was championed by Joel.  I FEAR live ammo ped now... Boon's idea to smoke you (own team) was a good strategic move for league play.  He was winning.  Only you securing 14 points or more would have changed that.  and everyone knows you win EVERY ped combat you enter due to being overpowered and able to kill any "non-God" player at 400m.  Off subject:  thats why alot of people complain about you being allowed in ped, and why they want skill limits or SCL type league divisions for ped...  but anyway Personally I think own team targeting has no place in Leagues.  with own team targetting, when your competition is on your team theres little reason NOT to remove them.  other than points lost. FYI...  Boon lost.  I won.  now you need 13 to beat him instead of 14. BOTTOM LINE:  please no same team targetting in League events! ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Sep 12, 2012, 6:45 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 First id like to say sorry for being a bitch that was a durty trick even for me leagl or not. It was a sper of the moment idea to cap my win knowing you would own the faild if i didnt act fast, and with the rule change hay why not. Theres no point in you to stop playing my sub is over in a few days and you can go back running 6 speck gangers taggin noobs 400M out ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted Sep 12, 2012, 7:18 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 @Longo: don't get mad, get even. The idea with this rule chance is to de-sanitize the game, and stop it being overly controlling in terms of tactics and roleplay. You should be able to make Boonwolf pay for what he did, thereby stopping him trying that tactic again. @Crispin: I don't know whether you said 'thank Joel' over and over as was claimed, since I didn't check. However, I would say this: thank Boonwolf - he did the deed, not Joel, and has to stand by his own actions. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 12, 2012, 6:19 pm Last edited Sep 12, 2012, 6:20 pm by *sam*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Oh look, team targeting at it's finest... Sam, you have to realize, there is nothing Longo can really do to them. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Sep 12, 2012, 6:33 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 There's plenty Longo can do to them. Longo has friends, right? People scout with each other and do town events with each other don't they? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Sep 12, 2012, 6:46 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Longo said: This is complete CRAP! I was winning the Paintball League. By ALOT. Nobody could really catch me without a major disaster. I joined the last week in an event, just now. The guy closest to me was Boon, gang fingers, and I had him by 8 points coming into the final week. Him and StCrispin were in the game. Boon was on my team. In the first 2 rounds, he shot and painted all 3 of my guys. Obviously this was not as the game was intended, or so I hope. Boom flat out was unsportsmanlike. He said nothing, but StCrispin just kept saying "Thank Joel." He was obviously aware what Boon was going to do. Want to see what it takes to have a 5 year player quit Dark-wind? I'm done. Boon is a complete loser, a scumbag. You guys can have all of my crap. I'm not coming back. What a great community DW has turned into. Nice to know you all. -Longo - Event ID 202175 I respect you Longo but I have to laugh.  Just admit you're not quitting because of this ONE thing. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Sep 12, 2012, 7:03 pm

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