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The best way to hunt a player

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 That might be true if it wasn't for the fact that you were doing anything you could to avoid intercepts; running squads from Ruv and Wingmans accounts (lol, I mean your accounts, sorry!), running multiple encounters at the same moment, etc. I'd love to be able to say that you just don't understand the consequences of your actions, but that's not true. You do understand. You just don't care. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 4, 2012, 8:12 pm

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 wruv is his own player who asked me to do him some favors, it's his account not mine thus i didn't have multiple accounts. Ruv logged into his own account and set up squads etc. dave (wingman) is my neighbor and he comes over a lot. same deal. ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Aug 4, 2012, 8:42 pm

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Yeah that's grade A baloney and you know it. There's a reason those gangs had only you in their events history over the past 6 months. Not to mention that the Wingman gang was basically completely empty except for you using it. But hey, after all, you're just a man who "has goals" and "will do whatever I want to achieve them" right. It's not like you're ever affecting anybody, since Darkwind is a single player game right? Oh wait. Any time Sam has replied to me and told me that he's told you to stop what you're doing, it's only been days before you've started again... or started something different. If you actually DO end up playing by the book(lol) now, I garauntee it's only because Necro outed you publicly. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 4, 2012, 8:52 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 For the record, DW's economy is so ####ed anyway nothing Juan could possibly do with even 10 accounts cant fix/wreck it even more, lol ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Aug 4, 2012, 9:24 pm Last edited Aug 4, 2012, 10:21 pm by FireFly

*Jagged Monkey* Bazooka Joes Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 594 Joined: Jul 13, 2010 Juan, turn your PvP flag on.  Quit being such a [...] and man up.  It's time to settle the score. Edited by Marshal JeeTeeOh. Let's at least use civilized namecalling when we resort to that, gentlemen. ......................... vet wv combatL1 semiprocombat marshal elmsautumn northernsummer0,1,0 Posted Aug 4, 2012, 11:35 pm Last edited Aug 5, 2012, 12:33 am by *JeeTeeOh*

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Of course you could offer a player bounty as well. Anyone who kills a rated ganger in a twon event or scout gets a wad of dosh. You only pay PCs on results. Or you could keep donating $1M to his gang and hope they decide actually doing anything is looking like work. Or you could accept them as a force of nature. Or you could... nah that's actionable and it's too hard to cover your tracks these days. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 1:21 am

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 What score do I have to settle? none. What do I have to gain from this? nothing. Besides... PVP flag has no value south of gateway anyhow and that's where most my travels are. ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 3:07 am

*Jagged Monkey* Bazooka Joes Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 594 Joined: Jul 13, 2010 On my way! ......................... vet wv combatL1 semiprocombat marshal elmsautumn northernsummer0,1,0 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 4:48 am

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Jagged... I think you should change your avatar to this. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 5:48 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Juris said: Necrotech said: Attention *SAM* Turn off trucing south of the GW border... or even SS border for those who have PVP set to ON Yep.  Now if there was only a way to get a pop-up when a designated player was leaving town... :: 'Nitwit' has a squad leaving, do you wish to intercept?:: Note when leaving town is a good idea. no trucing is a bad idea. There has to be some choice of options as to what we want to do when we want to play. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 8:06 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Turn of trucing for people with PvP on full stop. Otherwise just get rid of the PvP flag and allow PvP everywhere. People who don't want to fight the PvP encounter can just pay their pissy little $10k fee and be on their way. Better yet, do both, and let the community sort out "bullies" themselves. If someone isn't reasonable enough to work out a deal to let people go occasionally if they don't have time for a PvP match then the community would have the opportunity to deal with them anyway. Seriously, people complaining that "oh people need to be able to play how they want to" while completely ####ing over the PvP community with a 40 foot fluffy pink dildo piss me off. You know how I wanted to play? I wanted to play vs players; not just in crappy little boy leagues, I want to fight them out in the wastes. Guess what? Any time anyone didn't have time for PvP, or were far below me in gear/skill/experience I was quite happy to truce. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 8:58 am Last edited Aug 5, 2012, 9:01 am by Serephe

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Equally Serephe anyone who was willing to play with you would have done so anyway. We aren't putting in these checks and balances for fair minded people, we are putting them to stop idiots wrecking the game for poeple who have neither the time nor inclination to PvP, either on a specific occasion or as a default condition. If I set my PvP flag to no, it tells you I am not interested in wasting my life playing silly buggers with half-wits on an ego trip. If I filter out PvP with the occasional person who might show me a little consideration, that little consideration would also allow me the option filter them out without complaint. If people choose PvP, I agree the trucing option should be unavailable. There is no point saying I am keen to face the grit and the guns only to wimp out when it gets a bit hard. You can truce manually (via chat) by simply telling your opponent you don't want to fight. They can let you go for free or on condition you pay any fee (via the gifting money option) they choose to name. If you can't reach an agreement you can either run or surrender, the only need for a truce option is against NPCs as the manual mechanism isn't available to them. In what way is someone refusing to PvP messing with the community, by definition they aren't interacting with the community. If they are screwing the economy, well to be frank they already had a head start as it isn't sensible to let players have that level of control in the first place. If they are killing gangers in non-PvP ways, clearly the same mechanism exists for anyone else. If the issue is they are gaining some minor benefit for their own gang in the game, so what. They get rich a bit quicker by cheating. Other players who have been in the game years have got their own way unopposed and have moulded the game to their own interests over time. That's the biggest exploit in the game. As CR balancing takes no account of ganger skill and player experience, it may seem unfair to a new player that their PvP encounter with a snaggle tooth old vet (even if they had identical vehicles) is still massively unbalanced. The usual crap about "we all had to claw our way up" and "I remember when all this was symphs" and "A skill 250 ganger with 5 levels of Sniper isn't much better than your skill 47 ganger" won't wash. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 9:28 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 It's people who have no interest in pvp and try to push changes that make it impossible for people who DO want to pvp outside the little safezones to do so that is the problem. People who want to hunt and be able to be hunted should be able to do so. People who don't can stick it up their arse and have fun playing vs the AI, I don't care, do what they want; just don't affect the people that DO want to actually play vs an opponent that can fight back. The people who would beat up new guys for fun are the people that the current system is protecting most, by the way. They can abuse town events, ram vehicles in scouts, etc, without any real way to get back at them. After all they can just go about their scouting to fund their rampages safe in the fact that a) nobody can attack them if their flag is off and b) even if they do get attacked because they were dumb and left their flag on, they can just truce out for less than the cost of a loot car. As a side note, I won many of my pvp fights using completely unskilled gangers in disposable muscle/sedans. Player skill is pretty important, but hey, that's a good thing. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 9:43 am Last edited Aug 5, 2012, 9:46 am by Serephe

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 yeah definitely, this is where the flag makes things confusing. It would be nice to be able to use it when you know you are going to be able to PvP with people, but then theres the issue of using it to hit and hide. If you hit, you can't turn off flag, other wise could be switched at will perhaps, or similar. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 3:19 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Serephe: I think we are in violent agreement. If you want the benefits of having a PvP flag set on then you shouldn't be allowed to automatically truce. The terms of the truce should be PvP also. If you don't want to PvP set your flag to no. If you grief people in arena events and the like (or by shooting people in the back in scouts) there isn't anything anyone can do about it, other than pay you back in kind. The system doesn't need to be altered to achieve this. Why has this as yet formally unidentified individual set his PvP flag to yes? What benefit does he gain? Could he have still comitted the acts of "uncoolness" with a PvP flag set to no? As I recall the PvP flag was introduced to protect the likes of me when player on player ambushing was made possible. If your point is that you feel you have the right to attack any gang in the game without recourse to a formal agreement (as we used to have in the open wilderness duels) then that is the point I disagree. As a non-sub, my opinion is worth less than people paying for the game, but if there are any subs out there who don't want PvP they have as much right to veto your attack on them as you have to demand it. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 3:49 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Iron Wraith said: As I recall the PvP flag was introduced to protect the likes of me when player on player ambushing was made possible. Then your recollections should never again be trusted.  The game started with PvP everywhere.  Guys like me learned the game while getting out single vehicle couriers ambushed by shark everywhere.  It was a pain but actually fun if you could get away/get him.  After shark did that - Sam made SS a PvP free zone. Then no pvp really happened except for Darth occasionally getting an intercept (he was terrible at it).  He couldn't figure out why he could never get me...it was simple I did my travels when he wasnt logged in.  Only had to watch for him on arrivals and departures...BFD. Then Darth managed an epic mid wilderness intercept on what turned out to be the three loudest mouths the forums ever saw.  They actually beat darth (and a couple friends it was a 3vs 3) but then bitched on the forum how unfair PvP was and how it screwed with their time(they still could have bountied but choose not to for some reason I forget). Then the f(l)ag came in.  Because of one amazing intercept(in my recollection the ONLY non gates intercept ever.  One of a kind.  Forever making it possible for everyone to go play by themselves and watch their numbers go up in absolute peace...well until the numbers start going down and then they are bored and wondering what happened to all those crazy exciting times of strife and adventure. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 8:25 pm

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 What it all comes down to is that the best way to hunt a player is... impossible, they can just pay their way out of anything. @IW: There's nothing stopping somebody from just griefing town events even with PvP flag to off. Even on a nonsub account. All it takes is for someone to act like a new guy, and they can offer a "truce" which would gladly be accepted by 99% of the population, then open up on them at point blank. Don't need skilled characters for that. It's also impossible to get them back for it. How would THAT make you feel, compared to losing to someone out near the gates of Badlands that you know a) actually cares about if they lose or not and b) can be retaliated against. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 9:56 pm Last edited Aug 5, 2012, 9:59 pm by Serephe

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 It has happened to me so I don't even need to get all theoretical. I posted a public notice that they were an oath breaker at Dexters. I never trusted them again. I warned off others in that forum and posted the event ID as proof. Doubtless the forces of law and decency immediately went out and spanked their little bots for them... Nope didn't think so. They may have a new gang now, or they may have just changed the gang name (I loose track so easily anyway). Regardless some saddo with a ego problem that will pull that sort of crap will do so regardless of how much the "community" punish them. Joel. Ok, maybe it was introduced when it started happening, this isn't my whole life, so I somethimes forget the milestones in the game (if I even noticed them). I joined post Shark so I missed all that valuable "experience". Darth once chased me for 2 solid hours and it really got on my tits. I chose not to truce as I don't give in to blackmail. All he got out of it was dented armour. I ended up having to give up my subscribing, so I guess I am a little bitter about it all. Would I truce if I could do it over?. No. I'd rather not play than validate a playground bully. We have all discussed this time and time again. Consensual PvP is fine, it's the "up you jack, I'm having you now". Not interested, I can get that in my local boozer on friday night. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Aug 5, 2012, 11:40 pm

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Quote: I posted a public notice that they were an oath breaker at Dexters. I never trusted them again. I warned off others in that forum and posted the event ID as proof. Doubtless the forces of law and decency immediately went out and spanked their little bots for them... Nope didn't think so. I remember that post; I didn't recognise the gang and assumed they were new. Not worth hunting them since they either don't know what the deal is with the game and are new, or are some idiot using a new account to grief and won't care even if they get killed. Quote: I chose not to truce as I don't give in to blackmail. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Quote: I ended up having to give up my subscribing, so I guess I am a little bitter about it all. What, did Darth chase you for so long that your subscription ran out, you got fired from your job and you couldn't afford to buy a new one? Seriously, if you've got tools to avoid pvp, choose not to use them of your own will, and then complain about pvp... I don't want to live on this planet anymore. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Aug 6, 2012, 12:01 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Quote: ...The game started with PvP everywhere.  Guys like me learned the game while getting out single vehicle couriers ambushed by shark everywhere.  It was a pain but actually fun if you could get away/get him.  After shark did that - Sam made SS a PvP free zone.... yeah I guess I should be prepared at all times really, PvE or PvP, takes up the same time.  But, theres a chance of losing in PvP  There was never much PvP in my time here, so my comfy zone is in beating on the AI till the cows rot and die in the hot, baking sun. When I started playing, the norm on the track or the arena was a series of truce calls at the start of the event. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 6, 2012, 3:20 am

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