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Handweapon tweaks, media v.120

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Jimmy... if that was the case... You guys wouldn't have rifles ever, and you *STILL* wouldn't have teeth past the age of 17. ~ Your loving Yankee *jimmylogan* said: *sam* said: I don't think it's an assault rifle.. more like a sniper rifle. I don't know weapons as well as you fine Americans.. ;-) Especially us SOUTHERN americans... We give the kids a .22 rifle when they get their first toothbrush.. ;-) ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 2:49 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Does it make sense for the RPG to be very slow to reload, but that it *is* reloadable during an event? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 12:34 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,677 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Sam - Maybe list the bulk on these? ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 12:45 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 The gun itself is bulk 4 weight 12, with ammo coming in at bulk 1 weight 5 ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 12:56 pm

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 *sam* said: Does it make sense for the RPG to be very slow to reload, but that it *is* reloadable during an event? I like that. +1 ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 25, 2012, 1:22 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,605 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Necrotech said: Jimmy... if that was the case... You guys wouldn't have rifles ever, and you *STILL* wouldn't have teeth past the age of 17. ~ Your loving Yankee LOL - you know the toothbrush was invented in insert name of state here ? Anywhere else and it would have been called the TEETHbrush. ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 1:23 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *sam* said: The gun itself is bulk 4 weight 12, with ammo coming in at bulk 1 weight 5 If it's 4 bulk and giving you only 2 reloads tops that might be to heavy, running the risk of it becoming obsolete if it only does 3/4 damage compared to a 12/24 damage per clip gun. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 1:44 pm

*DoubleTap* The Ghosts Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 895 Joined: Jul 13, 2007 *sam* said: Does it make sense for the RPG to be very slow to reload, but that it *is* reloadable during an event? Absolutely.  If you'd rather it not be reloadable, call it a LAWS rocket, which were one-shot disposables.  ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jul 25, 2012, 2:08 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 FireFly said: *sam* said: The gun itself is bulk 4 weight 12, with ammo coming in at bulk 1 weight 5 If it's 4 bulk and giving you only 2 reloads tops that might be to heavy, running the risk of it becoming obsolete if it only does 3/4 damage compared to a 12/24 damage per clip gun. Yep 3 bulk is probably better - an RPG two reloads and a pistol ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 3:18 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 "call it a LAWS rocket, which were one-shot disposables. " But a lot less bulky than a loaded RPG.... ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jul 25, 2012, 4:44 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Rev. V* said: Sam, I know you guys in the UK don't have easy access to the fun firearms we do here in the colonies, but I gotta say... I don't know ANYONE with a puny 12 shot mag for their assault rifle. And I know a LOT of people with assault rifles. whatever sam says surely the rifle with have is something like an M16 20 or thirty round clip BUT firing 3 round bursts that would equate to only 6 or 10 'shots' 12 seems generous when you think of it as burst fire rather than single shots. I would love to see the ped rifle be given a full auto setting where you can expend half the clip in one go. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 5:35 pm Last edited Jul 25, 2012, 5:36 pm by goat starer

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 Nah... RPG's are fine... just give them a 3 round reload... in RL, doesn't take long to reload at all. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 6:40 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 Re-reading that I am disappointed that the shotgun only has a 4 round magazine. You are going to spend half your time reloading and get a maximum of 20 shots. Fine for ped arena fights, but a bit limiting for a wilderness encounter. If the mechanism supports it can I suggest decreasing the bulk and reload time of of shotgun magazines. I suspect however that fractional bulk wouldn't be feasible. I am not sure that an RPG round equates to a paltry 4 shotgun rounds. Maybe we should move away from a magazine view on ammunition and look at loose rounds. 4 shotgun cartridges do not equate in bulk to an RPG round (or even half a shotgun). If it is a magazine shotgun 6-8 rounds might be a more resonable number. Frankly I'd be happy with a sawn double barrel taking 1 bulk, doing shed loads of damage at short range and reloading very quickly. You would really need to have discrete rounds taking farctional bulk for that though. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 7:52 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 "I would love to see the ped rifle be given a full auto setting where you can expend half the clip in one go. " Oh, man... yeah.... anyone remember "Wasteland" from the good old days? (Yes, I am old...) I was a clip burning fool in that game...heh.... ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jul 25, 2012, 8:13 pm

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 *sam* said: Anyhow, it's about balance and gameplay above all else. *sam* said: Anyhow, it's about balance and gameplay above all else. *sam* said: Anyhow, it's about balance and gameplay above all else. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Jul 25, 2012, 8:17 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 goat starer said: I would love to see the ped rifle be given a full auto setting where you can expend half the clip in one go. Like in Traveller where you can 'panic' fire and empty your whole clip at once and get to roll to hit with only 1/4 of them? Could be a nice idea.. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 8:19 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 The fact that the rifle image is an M-16 that really doesn't fit with how it works now. But I hesitate to suggest anything that makes the rifle better. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 8:35 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Iron Wraith said: Re-reading that I am disappointed that the shotgun only has a 4 round magazine. You are going to spend half your time reloading and get a maximum of 20 shots.  Fine for ped arena fights, but a bit limiting for a wilderness encounter. If the mechanism supports it can I suggest decreasing the bulk and reload time of of shotgun magazines.  I suspect however that fractional bulk wouldn't be feasible. I am not sure that an RPG round equates to a paltry 4 shotgun rounds. Maybe we should move away from a magazine view on ammunition and look at loose rounds.  4 shotgun cartridges do not equate in bulk to an RPG round (or even half a shotgun). If it is a magazine shotgun 6-8 rounds might be a more resonable number. Frankly I'd be happy with a sawn double barrel taking 1 bulk, doing shed loads of damage at short range and reloading very quickly.  You would really need to have discrete rounds taking farctional bulk for that though. A shotgun is a CQC specialist weapon in this context, it'll probably blow the face off anyone in 1 shot at point blank (otherwise the numbers are WRONG) so I think even 4 shots is generous, lol  Think of it like this, handweapons should primarilly be balanced for ped fights and not for their anti vehicle usage, in that context a low ammo boomstick makes sense no? It's a secondary arm and not a primary one in my book. So you could carry a rifle and a shotgun for long/short range capability, or something along those lines. my .02 anyway... Edit: Your chances of taking down 4 peds would be larger with 4 shotgun bullets rather than trying to splash 4 at once and crit them all with an RPG I'd imagine. "Shotgun - substantially improved damage, but it reduces quickly over distance (to represent the cone of fire)" Think flamethrower ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 9:26 pm Last edited Jul 25, 2012, 9:28 pm by FireFly

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Patch coming through! I have put 110 RPGs on sale in the Player market (sold by my gang) in SS, BL, and GW. Please don't buy more than about 5 each, spread 'em around! ;-) ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 9:46 pm

JuaN VaLDeZ Frontline Assembly Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 512 Joined: Mar 27, 2010 What are the effects of rocketeer spec on the RPG, are there changes to allow rocketeer spec as a hand-gunner spec? ......................... vet wv zom deathrceL1 Posted Jul 25, 2012, 9:58 pm

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