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Both gangs in the same league., Regular and Scavanger

*Chase Bansi* Team Bansi Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 693 Joined: Aug 13, 2007 I openly admit that I have not kept up on all the details of Scavanger due to not having an interest to play it at this point. With the first week of the new race league underway I see that several players have both of their gangs involved in the same league. I fail to see any justification for this. I have no illusion of winning league as I rarely get to race with veterans. This just makes it harder to maintain a top ten finish in league. I would think it should be limited to one gang entered in league or a separate league for Scavangers. ......................... marshal vet gateautumn wv e2g0,1,0 Posted Sep 15, 2011, 6:19 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 The RC is discussing this right now and it will be modified. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 15, 2011, 6:20 pm

*Chase Bansi* Team Bansi Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 693 Joined: Aug 13, 2007 I'm just glad to know I wasn't the only one who noticed. I didn't want to come across as a whiner ......................... marshal vet gateautumn wv e2g0,1,0 Posted Sep 15, 2011, 7:04 pm Last edited Sep 15, 2011, 7:04 pm by *Chase Bansi*

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I thought the change wouldn't come until AFTER SOMEBODY got 1st and 2nd both....kudos to the RC. Please let us choose what team stays in league though. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Sep 15, 2011, 11:54 pm

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Joel Autobaun said: I thought the change wouldn't come until AFTER SOMEBODY got 1st and 2nd both....kudos to the RC. Please let us choose what team stays in league though. Actually I brought it up to the RC a few days ago as I thought it was an oversight to allow 2 gangs to compete in all leagues.(I should have just PM’d Sam as I thought it was an oversight as leagues have nothing to do with scavenger) It was at first suggested to not allow scav gangs to compete in leagues, but evolved into a suggestion to only allow one gang to compete per league and Sam thought that may be the best approach. You should see what you can do in the SCL with 2 gangs, it’s quite amusing. Unfortunately some of the other RC members did not think it was an oversight and in the poll voted to allow both gangs to joing the leagues, though the title of the poll is to allow scav gangs into leagues only, rather confusing. It stands at a vote of 3/2 in favor of allowing both gangs in the leagues. I’ve been incredibly irritated over this the past few days. Much of the current discussion between a few rc members has turned into allowing only one gang as was suggested by another rc member. I believe some people have lost sight of what scavenger is supposed to be about. I’ve read nowhere that it was being created to give a player 2 chances to compete in the leagues and has nothing to do with scavenger. If a scav gang wants to do regular town events to get food, water etc.. that’s ok though that could be handled batter. To be honest anyone who says they want/should/need to have 2 gangs to compete in the leagues is being greedy and selfish and is not thinking about how it will affect the leagues or the community in general. It reminds me of the old, give them an inch and they want a mile. Some of you in favor may dislike me for saying that, but I could not think of any other way to say it. Just like Joel, I’m starting to grow increasingly frustrated with some of the things I’ve been seeing and I’m starting to be more blunt and blatant with my views because of it. I was under the impression from reading the scavenger threads that this version of the game was not connected to the regular DW universe and there would be no interaction between gangs and it this version of the game would be used as a test bed for controversial ideas. It appears this impression was mistaken, though I have a feeling this was not planned and all this interaction. It’s my hope Sam will simply step in and make it so only one gang is allowed per league. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 1:37 am Last edited Sep 16, 2011, 4:47 am by Lord Foul

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 I agree. Having 2 gangs in any league is a bit too much I think. We should be able to choose which gang we want entered. And once you have entered with that gang you wont be allowed to enter the other. Leagues have been a steady source of income for some players and having the ability to do well in them should positively affect your gang, but it shouldn't bar others from doing the same. There are some that are continually on the tops..if they have 2 a piece then the chances of others being able to place become slim. I think that it will negatively impact the player turnout and participation in leagues. Which would be a shame because it is one of the few chances that you get to actively compete with others on an event to event basis. Hopefully this gets all worked out. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 1:49 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 As you can see, Lord F didnt get what he wanted in the RC(well Sam hasnt said anything yet) so he will complain and try and get the community to cry and get Sam to vote against the RC.... Second, we voted on whether or not to allow scav gangs in league play. It was also debated that only 1 of your gangs would be allowed to be in the league, not both. In between Lord F's tears, he must have missed this. I hate to quote GOD, but - Longo said: Only one of a player's gangs can enter any particular league? Problem solved? *sam* said: Lord Foul said: *sam* said: I think Longo's solution is probably a sensible one, yep. Thanks, I take it you'll let it slide for this DW year and correct it for the next? I hadn't actually decided what to do yet, my comment was supposed to simply be pitching into the discussion! Do the rest of you agree that it's reasonable to allow only 1 gang from a user into a league? RC member jimmylogan then polled the RC if they were in favor of scav gangs in leagues. The RC then voted in favor of allowing Scav gangs to play in leagues, much to the despair of Lord F. It was also debated that the prizes obviously would have to be "scavenged" down in value. All of this is still being debated, but obviously its not going in Lord F's favor, so he had to write about about it and present it to the public. I hoped I cleared this up. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 2:08 am

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 Well as long as we're dragging this out into the light of day, I alone voted against allowing Scavenger gangs into league play. It doesn't fit the theme of scavenger, if the world's falling apart and you're struggling to survive then the idea of sponsored, organized leagues makes little sense. It also allows some things that aren't appropriate for leagues. If you want to have leagues for scavenger they should be totally different and separate. No eaa rules for any events, no team events, no undamaged vehicles to compete in, etc. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Sep 16, 2011, 2:59 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Well I think scav gangs should be allowed, but only one team per player. Your reg gang or your scav gang not both. Scavenger is supposed to be like the early days...prequel yes? That's when leagues started. They are at a major disadvantage, there is no reason to bar them, if someone wants to get "scav" prizes, let them try their best. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 3:20 am

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Longo said: Quote: I hoped I cleared this up. Nope, it just makes you sound like an arse. Quote: All of this is still being debated, but obviously its not going in Lord F's favor, so he had to write about about it and present it to the public. I did not bring it here, other players did. I presented my view to the community and you had to go and turn it into me crying to get what I want due to a poll not going in my favor and that I’m trying to turn the community against the evil rules council to get my way. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously with comments like that? Nice job picking and choosing what to quote from the RC thread to make me look bad. I posted my view here without quoting from a private discussion as I had no need to. I don’t recall ever doing something like this to you Longo and always showed you respect on the forums no matter how much I disagreed with your views. At least now I know how far you’ll go to try and turn the tide of a discussion in your favor, or try and make someone else look bad. Longo said: Quote: Second, we voted on whether or not to allow scav gangs in league play. No, only the title of the poll said that. The options given to vote on went beyond just allowing scav gangs in league play. Thanks Tango for chiming in and as you know I agree. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 3:35 am Last edited Sep 16, 2011, 4:52 am by Lord Foul

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Joel Autobaun said: Well I think scav gangs should be allowed, but only one team per player. Your reg gang or your scav gang not both. Scavenger is supposed to be like the early days...prequel yes?  That's when leagues started.  They are at a major disadvantage, there is no reason to bar them, if someone wants to get "scav" prizes, let them try their best.  Agree, while the RC poll was to vote for allowing scav gangs, most of the discussion in that poll is about allowing only one gang per league. Longo in his anger quoted from my original RC thread and not the current poll thread. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 3:43 am

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Agree with you both, and I think with Longo... - what are you fighting about?  Scab is supposed to be a prequel - if you can't have both gangs in the same event you certainly shouldn't be able to have both gangs in the same league.  The SCL already manages this problem by not allowing any one player to have more than one team, and not allowing the same player to be on more than two teams in the same division.  Lord Foul said: Joel Autobaun said: Well I think scav gangs should be allowed, but only one team per player. Your reg gang or your scav gang not both. Scavenger is supposed to be like the early days...prequel yes?  That's when leagues started.  They are at a major disadvantage, there is no reason to bar them, if someone wants to get "scav" prizes, let them try their best.  Agree, while the RC poll was to vote for allowing scav gangs, most of the discussion in that poll is about allowing only one gang per league. Longo in his anger quoted from my original RC thread and not the current poll thread. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 4:38 am

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 Juris said: Quote: Scab is supposed to be a prequel - if you can't have both gangs in the same event you certainly shouldn't be able to have both gangs in the same league.  The SCL already manages this problem by not allowing any one player to have more than one team, and not allowing the same player to be on more than two teams in the same division. Agree and I'm glad I'm not the one noticing this. I'm pretty sure this was not planned by Sam to allow multiple entries, but he may be watching what the community has to say about it. I'm glad you brought up the SCL, as I mentioned in my first main post the addition of scav gangs have now thrown a wrench into the SCL league that Sam will need to correct/review. Due to a player having 2 gangs, that player can now join his own team so both of that players gangs can be on the same team. That same player can now join an enemy team or another team in the same division his current team is in. There's more but I think you get the picture of how messed up things are or could be. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 7:11 am

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 I'm sure everyone just got this DW email and this email illustrates what scav is supposed to be about. --------------------------------------------------------- DARKWIND:SCAVENGER - more apocalypse, less country-club Darkwind:Scavenger is a new game within Darkwind. In DW:Scav, there is no money. Stuff breaks much faster. You will find yourself scrounging up enough food and water to survive, and feeling lucky if you can field a not-too-badly worn pair of machine guns on your car. Life in DW:Scav is short and harsh - it returns Darkwind to its post-apocalyptic roots. More apocalypse, less country-club. ------------------------------------------------------------------ That above email from Sam is what I feel Scav is supposed to be about. It's a new game set in a true post apocalyptic setting. It's not about some wasteland scabs looking for league titles and prizes. It's about challenge and survival in a harsh setting. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 7:29 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Im not angry, or fighting with anyone. Lord F's initial post in this thread was misinforming and in my opinion intentional to gain support from the community to not allow scavs in league events, and I called him out on it. I dont hate anyone any more or any less, I hate you all the same. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 7:43 am Last edited Sep 16, 2011, 7:43 am by Longo

*Chase Bansi* Team Bansi Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 693 Joined: Aug 13, 2007 I realize the RC was created to avoid topics getting beat to death by the community where there are too many differing opinions for any consensus to be reached. That being said I appreciate the information being shared here. With Scav being it's own monster it should probably have it's own leagues more like the pro leagues where you have to supply you're own vehicles. Having vehicles supplied does not seem very 'hardcore'. Scavs should not be allowed in the regular easy version. ......................... marshal vet gateautumn wv e2g0,1,0 Posted Sep 16, 2011, 8:45 pm

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