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Vehicle Scaling

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 Seems to me that you should use the Ped model as the 'standard' since you're not likely to change that. Arbitrarily decide how tall the ped is and use the Ped's height as your source for scale. ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 31, 2011, 2:52 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 I'm going to go side-by-side on the muscles today. Will be looking at: Phoenix (base model) Sunrise Moray Pike Flail Vampire Stormer Eaton (not a muscle, but noticed how HUGE it is last nite) ...and whatever else strikes my fancy. Method: Check manufacturer's overall length. Compare to length of Phoenix. Scale in GIMP paint program to appropriate size while parked next to Pho. Compare dimensions (in pixels) to work out percent change in size of model. <<EDIT, 10 minutes later>> Now if I could just get &%^$#!! DW Tactical to do something other than crash I could get some screenshots. Load, freeze, force quit, login, load, freeze, force quit, login, repeat and repeat and AAAAARGH! Does 'tactical' not like Mac or something? <<<Disgruntled EDIT, some time later>>> I surrender. If someone else can get the screenshots I'll be happy to handle the scaling part. Insert as many swear words into that last sentence as you like; I suggest many. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Jul 31, 2011, 3:33 pm Last edited Jul 31, 2011, 6:04 pm by JeeTeeOh

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 I never saw this, sorry Jee Ill take some more photos did we get a full list of all the manufacturers specs d0dger? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 8, 2011, 4:01 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 My Muscle car pic just happens to come up at 137.5 mm, on the grid for the sunrise. This is my standard. Spec vehicle length in mm/mm in the pic 35.37 - Dodge Challenger - 57 Chevy 38.18 - Dodge Viper 41.35 - NASCAR 37.19 - Cuda - Moray 36.47 - Pike 36.06 - 69 camaro Phoenix 35.34 - Bucc 44.65 - Plymouth Superbird 39.14 - Osprey 1971 Camaro 39.75 - Flail 82 Camaro 38.42 - Stormer 68 Charger R/T Corgette 69 Corvette Stingray Eaton 64 AM db5 Lol, now what, maths.. what?!? how do I work this to percentages again? 35.37 is the standard, anything lower is too big, anything bigger is too small. Superbird is by far the worst, followed by the vamp. Bucc is not off by much at all. Strangly, everything else is just too small. these figures are nuts, superbird is 26% out! I have to work this through: if 35.37 is 100% then 1% = .3537 deviation % (44.65-35.37)/.3537=26.23 is that right? if so 35.37 - Dodge Challenger (bellow 5% deviation I think is pretty acceptable) (mm)/%dev 38.18/-7.94(-8)% - Dodge Viper 41.35/-16.9(-17)% - NASCAR 37.19/-5.14(-5)% - Cuda - Moray 36.47/-3.1(-)% - Pike 36.06/-1.95(-)% - 69 camaro Phoenix 35.34/0.08(-)% - Bucc 44.65/-26.23(-26)% - Plymouth Superbird 39.14/-10.65(-11)% - Osprey 1971 Camaro 39.75/-12.38(-12)% - Flail 82 Camaro 38.42/-8.6(-9)% - Stormer 68 Charger R/T ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 11, 2011, 9:19 am Last edited Aug 11, 2011, 10:34 am by Bastille

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 They shouldn't all be identical though should they? To some extent the total capacity of each chassis according to the DW database should be reflected. The superbird is long and thin isn't it? Reducing it would make it tiny overall. Quote: Strangly er.. this?  ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Aug 11, 2011, 10:27 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 um, yeah, english skills, they're as good as my math skills. Wel lthe question has had a strangle hold on everyone. did I just say that. The superbird is 26% under size Im not sure if I am working out the percentage correctly. the numbers are close, yes, but its the difference from the standard that is important. so the superbird is 124mm long in comparison to a sunrise 137.5mm in the picture I am using for reference. A superbird is 5537mm long 5537/124=44.65 and then if 35.37 is 100% then 1% = .3537 deviation % (44.65-35.37)/.3537=26.23% too small but then, thats not 73.77% and I am now totally confused as I have not touched math since high school. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 11, 2011, 10:43 am Last edited Aug 11, 2011, 10:47 am by Bastille

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 Bastille said: My Muscle car pic just happens to come up at 137.5 mm, on the grid for the sunrise. This is my standard. All cars listed below are 100 mm smaller than this one... You are confusing me. Quote: Spec vehicle length in mm/mm in the pic 35.37 - Dodge Challenger - 57 Chevy 38.18 - Dodge Viper 41.35 - NASCAR 37.19 - Cuda - Moray 36.47 - Pike 36.06 - 69 camaro Phoenix 35.34 - Bucc 44.65 - Plymouth Superbird 39.14 - Osprey 1971 Camaro 39.75 - Flail 82 Camaro 38.42 - Stormer 68 Charger R/T Corgette 69 Corvette Stingray Eaton 64 AM db5 Lol, now what, maths.. what?!? how do I work this to percentages again? 35.37 is the standard, anything lower is too big, anything bigger is too small. So all those cars are supposed to have the same size?  ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted Aug 11, 2011, 10:48 am Last edited Aug 11, 2011, 10:48 am by viKKing

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Bastille said: The superbird is 26% under size ah sorry.. so a larger figure in your calcs means a *smaller* vehicle, not a *larger* one? edit: you based these calcs from real vehicle measurements versus DW models? in which case, I understand what you're doing now :-) ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Aug 11, 2011, 10:50 am Last edited Aug 11, 2011, 10:52 am by *sam*

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 yeah, so the figure represents the ratio between the real world and the pictured vehicle. Real size of car in mm/mm in pic. So this figure is totally dependant on how far away from the horizontal i took the screen shots. the only reason I placed the figures first is to keep the numbers neat. negative % represent too small in the last list. % deviation from the standard, BUT this is still not the correct figure is it? you need to make the vehicle so much % not reduce it by so much % . It probably doesn't matter that much though. # more vehicles, a different height from the horizontal, so the standard figure is different. 21.42 Sunrise -2.56%/21.97 Corg -8.77%/23.30 57 (this seems wrong to me, It is only 9% out) 0.28%/21.36 Eaton - Eaton is currently too big 21.42 = 100% 1%=.2142 ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 11, 2011, 11:17 am Last edited Aug 11, 2011, 11:19 am by Bastille

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Using these measurments. Just for interest, check the length of the grand cherokee bellow Apache 181.5" Length - 72.3" Width Dodge Viper 23.4          116.5 - (38.18) 7.94 Overall Length 175.1 (4448) - RT/10 7.48 - Overall Width 75.7 (1924) NASCAR 25.2                126.5 - (41.35) 16.90 Length     206 in (523.2 cm) 8.24 - Width     78.5 in (199.4 cm) 57 Chevy (218)(23.30) Length: 200 - 5080 Width: 74.4 Dodge Challenger 27.4        137.5 - (35.37) 0    - (227.5)21.42 Length: 191.5 inches. 486.4 cm (27 grid ref) 6.98"/sq rounded - Width: 76.5 inches. Height: 51 inches. Cuda - Moray 23.9          127.5 - (37.19) 5.14 L: 186.7 in (474.2 cm), 7.87 - W: 74.9 in, - H: 50.9 in Pike 26                130  - (36.47) 3.1 L: 186.7 in, 7.18 69 camaro Phoenix 26.2          131 - (36.06) 1.95 186 in 4.724m - 7.09/sq 1994 ford crown vic - 83 Windsor - Windsor II Length : 212.4 inch 212.4 in = 539.5 cm/ 211 535.9 cm / 212 538.5 cm Bucc 29.5            146 - (35.34) -0.08 Length    203.2 in (5,161 mm) 6.88/sq - Width    76.2 in (1,935 mm) - Height 52.8 in (1,341 mm) - Wheelbase 112.0 in (2,845 mm) Plymouth Superbird 24.5          124 - (44.65) 26.23 5537 mm (218 in) / 1943 mm (76.5 in) / 1346 mm (53 in) Osprey 1971 Camaro 24.6        122 - (39.14) 10.65 Length: 188.0"     477.5 cm - Height: 50.5"     Width: 74.4" Flail 82 Camaro 24.1    120 - (39.75) 12.38 4770 mm / 187.8 in, - it’s 1849 mm / 72.8 in wide and has wheelbase of 2565 mm / 101 in. Stormer 68 Charger R/T 27.5      137.5 - (38.42) 8.6 Length: 208 in     528.3 cm - Width: 77 in Corgette 69 Corvette Stingray (211)21.97 4636 mm / 182.5 in, - it’s 1753 mm / 69 in wide Eaton 64 AM db5 (using sunrise 227.5)(214)(21.36) 4572 mm / 180 in, - it’s 1676 mm / 66 in wide ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 11, 2011, 11:24 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 More of these - Sedans again the sunrise is standard. 1st number in () is the pictured length, 2nd is Real size/Pic, 3rd # in () is % Sunrise (171) 28.44 - (0) Length: 191.5 inches. 486.4 cm Moose (holdern bombadore) (152) 32.42 - (-14) Length: 194.0 in (4,928 mm) Merc (172) 30.30 - (-7) (Id leave this, as its a very wide model) 5113 mm (201.3 in)&#8722;5213 mm (205.2 in) 1994 ford crown vic - Squad Length : 212.4 inch 212.4 in = 539.5 cm (164) 32.89 - (-15) 83 Windsor 211 535.9 cm (163) 33.06 - (-16) - Windsor II 212 538.5 cm (163) 33.03 - (-16) Chevalier (160) 27.68 - (2.67) Length 4,430 mm (174.4 in)(saloon), Voyager (154) 33.59 - (-18.1) (another wide model) 203.7 in (5,174 mm) --------------------------------------------------------- A new picture again, this time SUVs. Lots of making bigger here. I chose the standard as it looks about right in compared to a ped, maybe a different standard would be better. Once Ive done the lot Ill make a list of just %. This is an important change I guess, If made, so I post all figures here incase people want to check why things were done. (picture length in mm) overall length/pic length (%dev from standard. Keeping - to indicate too small. positive numbers too big Sunrise (171) 28.44 / 2nd compare to SUVs (108) 45.03 -Length: 191.5 inches. 486.4 cm Landrunner (111) 40.04 (11%) -175.0 in (4,445 mm) Hearse - 1967 Cadillac DeVille or maybe fleetwood (130) 47.77 (-6%) -Lengths vary from: 224.7 - 244.7 6210mm (figure is for sedan) Apache (122) 37.79 (16%) -181.5" Length 4610 mm - 72.3" Width Chomper - Nissan Pathfinder (100) 43.66 (3%) -171.9 in (4,366 mm). Dodge Ram (109) 47.56 (-5%) -Length 204.1 in (5,184 mm) Spirit (111.5) 47.63 (-5%) -Length : 209.1 in (5,311 mm) Symph (92) 49.14 (-9%) -178 in (4,521 mm) Estate (84) 53.39 (-18%) -4,485 millimetres Pickup 1884-88 Toyota hilux (87) 54.36 (-21%) -186.2 in (4,729 mm) Buzzer (127) 38.81 (14%) -4600-4930mm Large vehicels are really hard to measure accurately in these pics, I think a rough judge should do? Lorry too small by (- 20 -25%) Bus too small by (-20%) TT too big (5%) Ambulance too big (15%) Leave the box and Carrier vans and Motorhome Leave FE and tanker Racecars and I think thats it (some outstanding models there), unless we want to bother about compacts. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 11, 2011, 1:04 pm Last edited Aug 11, 2011, 2:50 pm by Bastille

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 *sam* said: They shouldn't all be identical though should they? To some extent the total capacity of each chassis according to the DW database should be reflected I vote for realistic, btw the superbird is way small for what it's supposed to carry, and the thing is like 18 inches longer then a standard muscle ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Aug 12, 2011, 3:00 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 a lot of that is just exterior airodynamic stuff ie the nose, but yeah, a big car. (can't wait for that one to be 26% bigger) Not as big as a hearse though (67 DeVille). Even the sedan is over 6 meters long, I want that chassis I think a hearse could really have a 8L unexposed now couldn't it  These numbers are really interesting, some of the chassis I thought were out by the most, are spot on, but then we are changing alot if this is to be the standard. I stress again. If this is to be the standard?  What does folks say? Do you think things will look ok with these adjustments. The apache and buzzer being made smaller, the sedans bigger) I think this would be great. Most of the musclecars will be made bigger (I think really needed too and why I chose the sunrise as standard... but.. its lots to change) The BPU, that I thought was way small, is almost right. This is going soley on the length of the chassis, not its width or height, and these models vary alot in their accuracy. Chassis playability and enjoyment should have the final say, and can do. These don't have to be the real world vehicles. Nice for those cool muscle cars. The apache, Landy and buzzer, could stay their current sizes just for the use of them in game. They will not look too bad. The lorry on the other hand, must change, and another contender for biggest margin. And the Ambulance, that looks too big. I ran the figures for the 57 like 5 times (not like its a hard calc, but just to make sure I hit the right buttons), its not out by as much as I thought.. but... its hard to know where to take the measurement on that winged beast, with the paralax error I got with the camera. These measurements could be well out by some way for this reason. I tried to take a good guestimate where possible. A little give and take would not make too much difference. a result of 8% can be rounded to 10% especially for the charger that is a big car. It will look about as big as a bucc then. Smaller figures may well be ignored, depending on what people think that chassis should be like. I'd be expecting some complaints about some chassis if we don't get this right. We've all called for these changes for quite some time. Now I have to get onto racers, I think the DeLorean may take the prize for the biggest margin. Superbird willbe hard to beat. But, as for sams quote above, I did not explain my figures very well, and so I think this is not too much concern. In the end I thik things will represent their bulk quite well. The numbers indicate what 1mm represents in the picture. so thats 1mm to 44. whatever it is as opposed to 1mm to 35.37. Thats a massive difference (26%) I did this so I could use one car as standard in many photos. (JeeTee woulda done all this lot but his TAC doesn't work... or so he says. you knew how much work this was didn't you  lol ) No way to keep the camera in the same spot, so I worked with relevant scale. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 12, 2011, 5:18 am Last edited Aug 12, 2011, 5:19 am by Bastille

Karz Master Alpha Junkers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Storytellers + IP Posts: 2,375 Joined: Nov 13, 2006 *sam* said: It's a bit messy actually.. the chassis scale and the scale of weapons, wheels and bumpers are fine. But the positioning of the wheels assumes that the scale defined in the 3d model is correct, and changing it in code is awkward. I can resize the actual 3d models though.. it would be really useful if you could let me know which ones and how much they're incorrect by. They need to be specified as a percentage, i.e. 105% is a model scaled up by 5%, and 95% is scaled down by 5% So it's possible? I've done some 3D modelling a few years ago for Jedi Academy. Made a minigun in Lightwave. I never knew how to scale the thing though. ......................... vet wv zom Posted Aug 12, 2011, 10:05 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 I made a cup last week in cin4D, was kinda happy with it till I realised it was bigger than the harbour bridge Im glad you brought that quote up, means this data should help just fine. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 12, 2011, 10:52 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Racers Turin                  (5%) McFly                    (8%) Cougar                  (11%) DeVille                (-2%) McKenzie                (-10%) Musclecars Standard - Dodge Challenger (bellow 5% deviation I think is pretty acceptable) Dodge Viper            (-8)% NASCAR                (-17)% Moray                    (-5)% Pike                        0% Phoenix                    0% Bucc                        0% Roadrunner            (-26)% Osprey                    (-11)% Flail                        (-12)%  Stormer                  (-9)% Corg                      (0%)      57                          (-10%)    Eaton                      (0% )    Sedans Moose                      (-14) Merc                        (-7) - (Id leave this, as its a very wide model) Squad                    (-15) Windsor                  (-16) Windsor II              (-16) Chevalier                  (0) Estate                    (-18%) Spirit                      (-5%) Symph                    (-9%) Voyager                  (-18) - (another wide model, I think tis one is actually fine as is for what it is) SUVs Landrunner (11%) Hearse                        (-6%) Apache                      (16%) Chomper                    (0%) Dodge Ram                (-5%) Pickup                        (-21%) Buzzer                      (14%) Trucks Lorry                      (- 20 -25%) Bus                        (-20%) TT                            (5%) Ambulance              (15%) Leave the : box Van Carrier van Motorhome FE tanker ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 12, 2011, 11:43 am

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 Adding the ones that I happen to know Wurzel - Ursus 914. Length:    156 inches [396 cm]  Height:    106 inches [269 cm] Tanker - F-650 FIRE RESCUE BRUSH TANKER (I suspect this doesn't exist in reality, but you should be able to work out the dimensions roughly from the standard F650 spec). Courghette -  1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Length    185.5 in (4,712 mm) Width    69.0 in (1,753 mm) Motorhome - 1970s Winnebago Brave Length - 18 to 24 feet ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Aug 12, 2011, 12:52 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 The larger vehicles can all vary on the bumpers alone so eyeballing those was my iidea. Good to know the motorhome, I was not sure if it was a Bravo or an Indian. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Aug 12, 2011, 1:25 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 This is some damn impressive work gentlemen. Can't wait to see the end result! Still can't get into tactical. hahahaha ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Aug 12, 2011, 7:53 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Did anything ever come of this? I know it's been a busy little while, what with DW:S and Mars and God-knows-what-else. Was in a race in my eaton and noticed how it dwarfed the roadrunner and moray. Reminded me of this thread and the efforts that seemed ongoing.... ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Oct 14, 2011, 5:47 am

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