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Vehicle Scaling

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 And what about performance--- will things like the length of the wheel base changing impact how the car performs in the game? ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 25, 2011, 3:30 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 big vehicles Size Comparison 3rd group is also up no fun here, some peds for comparison if wanted http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4417/screenshot00018274.png I now think the squad car is too small next to the chev, looking at the Firettruck and semi now as a standard in this lot. EDIT: the apache and the landy are the offenders in reference to the squady being too small and the windsors, making them a little smaller, and bring them down to the BPU and the small pu and chomper windsors etc. edited some values to reflect, should now be consistant throughout, with no change to the squady or windsors. Too small Bus + Lorry ++ Squad windsors, hearse and standard then for merc Too Big Buzzer + (edit: due to apache making smaller) apache Landy Carrier Van, + TT Motorhome Ambulance Box van seems in proportion to other sedans, keeping in mind making the windsors bigger. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 3:31 pm Last edited Jul 25, 2011, 3:40 pm by Bastille

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Firefly said: The pickup should be at least larger than the largest muscle or sedan, up to SUV level proboably... the BPU even larger. yeah, I do agree with that, Im thinking the pathfinder, (chomper) and Hilux (pickup) should be about the same size, and only a tad smaller than the grand cherokee (apache, theres one next door, not really that big a 4x4, my cruiser eats it up for breakfast, nom nom) ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 3:36 pm

shama Shamas Rammers Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: Apr 1, 2011 Quote: Im thinking the pathfinder, (chomper) and Hilux (pickup) should be about the same size Don't get too carried away with the pickup, or forget that the BPU is generally what people see as pickup's on the road today. Most modern Hilux would probably be BPU (4 door). The "original" 2 door hilux, and other such pickups were actually quite a bit smaller and not as big as some of those American muscle cars ... Nice older pickup here ... ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 25, 2011, 3:59 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 not thinking they should be too big, still noticeabley smaller than an apache, and if they should be made smaller the adjustment might be less. BPU I was thinking as a dodge ram? and then I would think wider, and much longer than an apache. A PBU cannot travel the road from elms to GW due to its bulk (or did that change at some point? not sure) so I would think they could be quite big. Man, you'd want more armour on them then. Lost two the other day trying to hide from a DB on dead mans road. If they were bigger... anyone got any BPUs ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 4:25 pm

Diezel Wasteland Patrol Irregular Sunday Driver Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Feb 5, 2011 Bastille said: big vehicles Size Comparison 3rd group is also up no fun here, some peds for comparison if wanted http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4417/screenshot00018274.png I now think the squad car is too small next to the chev, looking at the Firettruck and semi now as a standard in this lot. EDIT: the apache and the landy are the offenders in reference to the squady being too small and the windsors, making them a little smaller, and bring them down to the BPU and the small pu and chomper windsors etc. edited some values to reflect, should now be consistant throughout, with no change to the squady or windsors. Too small Bus + Lorry ++ Squad windsors, hearse and standard then for merc Too Big Buzzer + (edit: due to apache making smaller) apache Landy Carrier Van, + TT Motorhome Ambulance Box van seems in proportion to other sedans, keeping in mind making the windsors bigger. As far as i am concerned: Ambulance - to -- Carrier Van - They are way too big compared to other carz, and should match the Box Van size. Concerning the truck line, except the motor home which is more in the -- column all other should be way bigger. As i said, a pedestrian should be used for comparison. Regards, Diezel. ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 25, 2011, 7:35 pm Last edited Jul 25, 2011, 7:37 pm by Diezel

Crazy AL Street Pizza Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: Feb 14, 2008 I think a good guide would be to compare the CABs of the trucks to each other when determining what size they should be. TT cab looks to be significantly larger than all other cabs while the lorry cab is significantly smaller. Motorhome looks good compared to the properly scaled sedans/cars so I think FT, Semi & Bus need to be increased some, Lorry increased a lot. ......................... vet wv zom pvp1 ped1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 9:41 pm

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 an in game visual grid would help a lot. maybe take the best scaled vehicle and do a custom paint at one foot intervals so it can be used as a gauge. call it the rulermobile, or the One Ring..... ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Jul 25, 2011, 9:46 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Crazy AL said: I think a good guide would be to compare the CABs of the trucks to each other when determining what size they should be. TT cab looks to be significantly larger than all other cabs while the lorry cab is significantly smaller. Motorhome looks good compared to the properly scaled sedans/cars so I think FT, Semi & Bus need to be increased some, Lorry increased a lot. the TT is not a good one to look at,,,, the cab is really badly modelled... its one of the recent work ups and the model quality is very low. its not a professionally worked model of a vehicle... the cab is too big but that can only be dealt with by getting a new model. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 11:25 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Tango said: an in game visual grid would help a lot.  maybe take the best scaled vehicle and do a custom paint at one foot intervals so it can be used as a gauge.  call it the rulermobile, or the One Ring..... haha good idea ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Jul 26, 2011, 12:25 am

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Wow. Y'all got super-mobilized on this'n. Just about everyone's weighing in on this stuff so I'm gonna stand aside even though I really want to throw in my two cents. I just wanted to say this is friggin' great. Always thought the relative size of the vehicles was DW's weak link visually... good to know it's not a nightmare to resolve. My areas of firsthand knowledge are muscles and pickups, btw. So if you want more input on those just lemme know. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Jul 26, 2011, 1:33 am

triad4evr Seekers Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: Aug 20, 2009 Just a quick thumb's up. I am loving this discussion and everything sounds spot on to me! ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 26, 2011, 3:08 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Quote: I think a good guide would be to compare the CABs of the trucks to each other when determining what size they should be. TT cab looks to be significantly larger than all other cabs while the lorry cab is significantly smaller. Motorhome looks good compared to the properly scaled sedans/cars so I think FT, Semi & Bus need to be increased some, Lorry increased a lot. This is a good one, had our local trash truck sitting next to one of these firetrucks, ours here in Oz are exactly these. The cab is not that tall, and seeing the slight proportion thing goat talks about, I think it looks better like this than witha smaller cab and then what would be a tiny butt. The scanias are not that big a cab. All up an FT looks kinda like a midget truck. @Diezel Plz read the notes on the symbols on the first post, + denotes both bigger and smaller, just by a greater amount, depending in which column. From what I can see, I pretty much labelled it as you stated. Ambulance is way to big, and is the carrier van (comparing windshield width. which are roughly the same. Ive been out and about looking at transit vans compared to a simple box van) The most important thing here is to find a common point for all vehicles. All my ups and downs mean very little if we don't agree that the squad car, windsors, Hearse and compacts, are the right size. (compacts look a bit small imo, and are not al the same scale either, but they work and look alright I think) Bringing down the suvs a little to match, as they are too big. I hope you'd actually be looking at the TAC events where you can move stuff around, get out peds etc. I spent a few hours doing this last night to try get a good guage of what is the best standard. The semi and FT as the trucks, Lorry is obviously too small, TT could be smaller too, but I don't think it looks too awkward, it makes it a rather menacing vehicle. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 26, 2011, 5:21 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 JeeTeeOh said: Wow.  Y'all got super-mobilized on this'n. Just about everyone's weighing in on this stuff so I'm gonna stand aside even though I really want to throw in my two cents. I just wanted to say this is friggin' great.  Always thought the relative size of the vehicles was DW's weak link visually... good to know it's not a nightmare to resolve. My areas of firsthand knowledge are muscles and pickups, btw.  So if you want more input on those just lemme know. Yes plz, very much so, especially muscle cars, (wait, hang on this is your thread  ) I have to rely on photos, many taken with bloody wide angle lenses which does not help. Is the stormer too small? We all know the Superbird is way too small. How are these compared to a challenger, I was thinking roughly the same size. Ive only ever seen one real challenger at a car show. Are the Cudas too samll, I think Moray definitely too small. Is the 69 camaro too big? I believe a 70 camaro is visabley longer. Maybe even wider? How big is a 71 Olds cutlass? about the same a Charger? Am I overstating the size difference for the Vamp and corgette and bullet to the challenger? Is a voyager too big? I think yes compared to a symph and a chev. (yes I know I stated id use this as a standard at one point, Ive changed my mind many times before deciding on the above) Hopefully get lots of feedback from this over the next few days, read through it, (decide myself what I thiks best for DW and stick with it, stuff development ) and then repost a big list of whats too big and whats too small and maybe some percentages. Hows is this info best displayed for you sam? how would you edit these, one at a time in the order they are displayed in the TAC list? If I order them the same will that help for quick reference? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 26, 2011, 5:36 am

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 @Bastille's fleet of questions: I have tomorrow and the next day off work. I'll do some hardcore comparisons and get back to ya. And old cudas are actually surprisingly small. **EDIT** Okay, somebody tell me why this doesn't work as well as I think it does... because it just seems too easy after talk of grids and stuff. 1. Get overhead screenshot of vehicles. 2. Take it to GIMP or other paint program. 3. Select car that needs scaling; adjust size of selected car until correct. 4. Figure out % change from original to final. Do please point out the problem before I waste a lot of time. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Jul 26, 2011, 6:31 am Last edited Jul 26, 2011, 3:27 pm by JeeTeeOh

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 sounds pretty good to me. If the models were to be changed, this would be the way to do it Id think. Careful if you use my photos, as there is a lot of size error due to perspective (seeing the sides of the outermost vehicles etc). From what I got of sams pitch about percentages and changing things, I was thinking a simple 2.5% or 5 % (+) or 10% (++) for the real offenders (lorry I would think by loking at it, is about 90% of its true size) would be ample in size change. A quick recheck of all the sizes using the TAC events will show if any changes were bad, and what other mods might be needed. A little trila and error, but maybe quicker than a full analysis of all the cars (but it would probably be necessary at some point anyway, I can't really say if the moray would be 2.5% smaller than a pike or 5% smaller. definitely looks a litte smaller than the pike though to me). You may only need to check a few like this to work out the percentage change, rather than all of them is what Im saying. Save a little work. EDIT: Thanks for getting back to my questions ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 27, 2011, 1:07 am Last edited Jul 27, 2011, 1:08 am by Bastille

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 JeeTeeOh said: Do please point out the problem before I waste a lot of time. make sure the ground is perfectly flat? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Jul 27, 2011, 3:43 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 4, 2010 Hmmm...Sam, is there anyway to scale up the chests on my nuns? Because that would be awesome. ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Jul 27, 2011, 7:57 pm

Crazy AL Street Pizza Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: Feb 14, 2008 *Rev. V* said: Hmmm...Sam, is there anyway to scale up the chests on my nuns? Because that would be awesome. I agree and would love to consult on this one... ......................... vet wv zom pvp1 ped1 Posted Jul 27, 2011, 9:45 pm

Groovelle Criminal Underworld Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 758 Joined: Jul 15, 2009 My brother and I have a little collection. Red Sunrise on top of a Chevelle, which is the same chassis as a Buccaneer, just different body paneling. In front of this is a black Daytona, same size as a Roadrunner (same chassis, different body panels) and in front of that is a blue stormer. Left, a red Sunrise, right a Chevelle (Buccaneer sized) Stormer left, Sunrise middle, Roadrunner(Daytona) right. Buccaneer top, hotrod middle, Stormer bottum. Hope this helps. ......................... vet wv0,2,0 Posted Jul 28, 2011, 3:12 am Last edited Jul 28, 2011, 3:20 am by Groovelle

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