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Vehicle Scaling

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Is it a major hassle to tweak the relative scale of the vehicles in the client?  The most glaring examples are the Turin and the Pickup... but there are certainly others. Dunno what's involved, so I'm sort of wondering out loud. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Jul 24, 2011, 4:27 pm

*Splash* Coolerheads Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 568 Joined: Dec 30, 2009 Yeah, I know Buzzers are supposed to be big and scary, but they look kind of odd next to some of the others. And I agree with you on pickups and even BPU's, which aren't very "B." Not wide enough, imo. Certainly doesn't detract much from the game for me (I love seeing a Sonic ram a Buzzer; looks like a fly trying to land on a dog), but if I could easily fix it, I would. ......................... vet wv pvp5 e2g pvp2 sssc combatL1 marshal1,1,0 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 5:35 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Buccaneer model is out of scale big time, about the size of a buzzer. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 5:50 pm

Djihani Rollovers Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: Jun 26, 2009 57 is the worst. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn raceL1 deathrceL10,4,0 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 6:38 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Currently, scaling is done in the actual 3d model files (i.e., it's a pain in the butt to change). But I'll go take a look and see if it can be done in code without breaking collisions or anything. If so, we'll be able to easily tweak them. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 8:12 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 It's a bit messy actually.. the chassis scale and the scale of weapons, wheels and bumpers are fine. But the positioning of the wheels assumes that the scale defined in the 3d model is correct, and changing it in code is awkward. I can resize the actual 3d models though.. it would be really useful if you could let me know which ones and how much they're incorrect by. They need to be specified as a percentage, i.e. 105% is a model scaled up by 5%, and 95% is scaled down by 5% ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 8:40 pm

Crazy AL Street Pizza Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: Feb 14, 2008 I remember seeing my dustup next to other vehicles and thinking it's too big. It's probably the correct size but the BPU & the Buzzer should be bigger ......................... vet wv zom pvp1 ped1 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 8:54 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 One of the cars is the correct size(perhaps compare to the buildings), then do all the other cars based on that car, otherwise you will be changing this crap forever. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 9:28 pm

Djihani Rollovers Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: Jun 26, 2009 yeah someone with time and interest whip em all up in tactical and do actual size comparisons. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn raceL1 deathrceL10,4,0 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 10:53 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 All I can think when I read the title is... Make the buzzers larger ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 24, 2011, 10:57 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 Did I volunteer for Operation: DW Tactical Scaling Comparisons by creating this thread? Or would somebody with more experience in tactical like to handle that part? Oh yeah, and Joel was dead-on correct with his observation. We gotta pick a chassis as "correct," then do all adjustments relative to that one. Or as he said, it will be an eternal clusterpluck. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Jul 24, 2011, 11:40 pm Last edited Jul 24, 2011, 11:43 pm by JeeTeeOh

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 don't forget the pigmy lorrys ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Jul 25, 2011, 8:18 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 *sam* said: It's a bit messy actually.. the chassis scale and the scale of weapons, wheels and bumpers are fine. But the positioning of the wheels assumes that the scale defined in the 3d model is correct, and changing it in code is awkward. I guess no way to "group" all the elements then scale them? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Jul 25, 2011, 8:21 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 anyone tried to do this in tac? Ill make something up. Im have no idea on the file formats sam, but getting into CIN4D now at tech, might even be able to get a free student copy maybe I can work out something there with some time and knowledge. Pretty sure that program should do it? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 8:33 am

GrowlingBadger Meles Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 722 Joined: Jul 29, 2010 At risk of throwing a spanner in the works...are to hit modifiers correct or will they alter as model sizes change? GB ......................... vet wv circuit2 circuit1 pvp5 pvp4 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 8:35 am

Diezel Wasteland Patrol Irregular Sunday Driver Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Feb 5, 2011 Greetings, What about: 1/ Taking a ped as unit for in game scaling 2/ Comparing actual in-game models size to real world equivalent Regards, Diezel. ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 25, 2011, 8:49 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 GrowlingBadger said: At risk of throwing a spanner in the works...are to hit modifiers correct or will they alter as model sizes change? GB good point, makes a chassis what it is, will this just muck up all chassis as we know them, especially the small pickup which would have to be one of the major offenders Ive found so far. First 40 cars or so wil be available for comparison soon as a TAC template. shall paste some photos. {crud, program crashed half way through lol, well, there goes an hour, redo} ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 11:18 am Last edited Jul 25, 2011, 11:29 am by Bastille

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Size comparison Buggy to McFly is now available as a TAC event. (also have a replay S2110 for quick reference) Or bigga Not all the vehicles can be added to the one event.. I believe tried to line them up best I could in groups. Not really sure what should be a standard here. Using the sunrise, squad car, yoyager, deville (tires? too big), chev as a standard and the compacts: Too small + indicates by greater amount smaller/larger Vamp, + corg, + bullet, + 57, + hot rod, Moray (should be same as pho or sunrise or pho should be moray size and moray be pho size, switched) Osprey (not featured) + Superbird, + (should be same width as stormer, roughly, a little longer) Stormer, (maybe a tad bigger, should be larger than a challenger? or the same, yanks?) Mkenzie, + Too Big Bucc, (how big is this car in RL, is this a big Olds 442? big car? as big as a Charger/Superbird or bigger) Cougar, + McFly, + Turin, + (not featured) Dustup, ? Thats it so far, any ideas? if we can get general consensus on most stuff we can start working out figures. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 1:14 pm Last edited Jul 25, 2011, 1:28 pm by Bastille

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 2nd lot is up in TAC Size comparison 2nd group should be available to all. Car have guns here and next to know armour. Lots of peds, spikes, HFOJ.. some HRR in there somewhere with no bottom armour on any car. MDs on the front, no guessing which car that is... have fun http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9914/screenshot2329392.png http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3973/screenshot2330193.png was thinking the win and squad actually too small.. but, I think the squad is about the same width as the hearse and windsors, looks about right, could they be larger? Too Small pike ? cuda compared to challenger (I think here shows the small moray, osprey and flail) Moray Osprey + Flail + Moose + estate pickup + or even ++ BPU + Chomper Tractor Too Big Merc + spirit turin + Is this truck the right size compared to the cars that we think are the right size? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 2:48 pm Last edited Jul 25, 2011, 2:50 pm by Bastille

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 The pickup should be at least larger than the largest muscle or sedan, up to SUV level proboably... the BPU even larger. Other than that, seems like bast has got it down, ospreys and flails do need to be a bit larger in relative to how much bulk they carry. If it should be based around anything, vehicle size should probably be scale around how much bulk it takes. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 25, 2011, 3:26 pm

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