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History of PVP

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 I've seen it mention numerous times throughout many of the PVP threads and wanted to better understand something of the history of how PVP evolved in Dark-wind. So, PVP was widespread throughout all of the area with only SS being deemed a safe spot. Can anyone relay the background as to why this was originally curtailed back to just being done Shanty. Is there anyone who may have been on the RC at the time, and if it was consulted, who can point out the gyst of why the change took place. ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 7:58 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 I'll give it a shot, not sure dates are correct, this is all  from memory, and a bad one :P 1) About 3+years ago, we had open PvP everywhere a) accidental encounters in SS b) intercepting squads on arrival 2) September 2008, Darthspanky a Marshal got pissed at a player and murdered him on a group scout he was also partaking in (on the same team). Same team targeting was removed 3)Dec  2008, a new player named Shark, started PvPing dirty in town events redding lot's of players, and intercepting people in SS a) SS deemed a PvP safe zone to protect new players, b) and incentives to be proper in town events put in place, like the DRM that sabotage your car if you are shooting on resigned cars, c) and implementation of town factions that also target you if they hate you. 4) November 2009, (Thanks Fleau) a) Pvp flag system, b) and later camp get a tweak to encourage PvP, c) Shanty opened up as an experiment in open PvP like it was before (no flag). d) impossible to intercept arrival squads e) spy on squad (1 gate at a time) 5) recently SCL, Squad Combat  PvP League 6) Today, Open PvP south of GW 2 week trial ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Apr 5, 2011, 9:14 am Last edited Apr 5, 2011, 10:29 am by *Tinker*

fleau crass ta feraille Sunday Driver Renegade Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Oct 1, 2009 sorry, i said i was leaving the pvp section of the forum, but i can't resist. *Tinker* said: 4) 1 year ago, I think a) Pvp flag system, b) and later camp get a tweak to encourage PvP, c) Shanty opened up as an experiment in open PvP like it was before (no flag). d) impossible to intercept arrival squads It was november 2009 *sam* said: This is fundamentally a revert to our old pvp model which allowed pvp attacks in any town except for SS. It also includes some extra client functions to make the actual logistics of doing an attack easier. Does it was a counterbalance of e) spy on squads ? ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 10:08 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *Tinker* said: I'll give it a shot, not sure dates are correct, this is all  from memory, and a bad one :P 1) About 3+years ago, we had open PvP everywhere a) accidental encounters in SS b) intercepting squads on arrival I believe SS was Pvp free, unless you were a pirate player and had a bounty. Then you could be targeted. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 1:16 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Tinker* said: I'll give it a shot, not sure dates are correct, this is all  from memory, and a bad one :P 1) About 3+years ago, we had open PvP everywhere a) accidental encounters in SS b) intercepting squads on arrival 2) September 2008, Darthspanky a Marshal got pissed at a player and murdered him on a group scout he was also partaking in (on the same team). Same team targeting was removed 3)Dec  2008, a new player named Shark, started PvPing dirty in town events redding lot's of players, and intercepting people in SS a) SS deemed a PvP safe zone to protect new players, b) and incentives to be proper in town events put in place, like the DRM that sabotage your car if you are shooting on resigned cars, c) and implementation of town factions that also target you if they hate you. 4) November 2009, (Thanks Fleau) a) Pvp flag system, b) and later camp get a tweak to encourage PvP, c) Shanty opened up as an experiment in open PvP like it was before (no flag). d) impossible to intercept arrival squads e) spy on squad (1 gate at a time) 5) recently SCL, Squad Combat  PvP League 6) Today, Open PvP south of GW 2 week trial that's pretty much correct... most of the vets here grew up with completely open PVP without any problems. Shark was being dealt with effectively by the community. But a small (and i mean small) group of people ruined the game for everyone else. We have lost far more players because of the loss of PVP than we lost because of unwanted PVP. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 1:49 pm

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 Outstanding, then we should see a big increase, I hope it's true. Time will tell. ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 2:05 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 So is this live yet or is it still on the horizon? ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 2:38 pm

Ragnak Ragnaks Reavers Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: Jul 7, 2010 Excellent. Thanks guys on the background! Rags ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 3:35 pm

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 Kornkob The Dude said: So is this live yet or is it still on the horizon? Not quite yet. Next day or so is the recent word. ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 3:40 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Slight correction, Darth didn't teamkill someone he paid another player a huge amount (1 million) in those days to tk the newer guy. Other player went out on scout with newer guy and shot him to pieces before driving off and leaving him to the AI. There was lots of issues revolving around that event beyond the simple teamkilling. Darth being a marshal, the tker being a marshal, gloating in the lobby etc. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 7:35 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 Wow-- that's an even bigger dick move than a simple TK. ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 7:45 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Ninesticks* said: Slight correction, Darth didn't teamkill someone he paid another player a huge amount (1 million) in those days to tk the newer guy. Other player went out on scout with newer guy and shot him to pieces before driving off and leaving him to the AI. There was lots of issues revolving around that event beyond the simple teamkilling. Darth being a marshal, the tker being a marshal, gloating in the lobby etc. I miss darth ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 8:21 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 One thing to remember is Darth did those things because he was bored. He was bored because there WAS no PvP, he tried to "create" PvP. There is a big difference between him and Shark. I myself am fast finding myself in the "Darth" zone. Very frustrated, the end game of this IS PvP(and there are many forms of this - economic/political/and actual combat), you will all see someday and it will be too late. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 8:36 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 Joel Autobaun said: One thing to remember is Darth did those things because he was bored. That's what griefers do--- they get bored with the game and decide to screw with people.  ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 8:50 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Kornkob The Dude said: Joel Autobaun said: One thing to remember is Darth did those things because he was bored. That's what griefers do--- they get bored with the game and decide to screw with people.  Or try to make the game better if they can. Keep in mind there are *many* ways to screw with people in this game. It was build from the ground up with PvP in mind. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 9:20 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 I would argue that 'try and make it better if they can' is the opposite of griefing. ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 9:22 pm

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 Isn't that what Joel is saying? ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 9:35 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Well I would agree, but ALL of us pro PvP are pretty much lumped together here. None the less , the temptation to fall to darkness is very tempting when you are on your last dregs in a game. Sam is one person - he does not really have time to satifiy the end game with content(though I know he DOES have interesting plans for that and it is admirable). A stable, fair(yes fair is perfectly alright with me), system of meaningful competition with camps that want to participate is all we Pro-PvP end game content people want. BL being open to PvP is part of that. I'm sorry we can't agree about that, but you are simply wrong. People can play in their own imaginary sandbox except, in BL FL and shanty. Pure PvE if they like. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 9:43 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 What is it that I'm wrong about? At this stage of the conversation what I thought we were talking about was Darth's behavior. And based on PT's post it looks like we were somewhat in agreement (and I misunderstood you). (and actually I think that this PvP trial is probably a good thing--- is it possible you have me confused with someone else?) ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 5, 2011, 9:56 pm Last edited Apr 5, 2011, 9:57 pm by Kornkob The Dude

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 maybe I did. this trial is a good thing. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Apr 5, 2011, 10:02 pm

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