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Paint changes

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 The following has just been passed thru the Rules Council. I'll be implementing it ASAP: ----------------------------------------------- Raise CR of paintguns to 16 Remove jamming effects entirely Make accuracy and driving effects much stronger: a car painted once will typically half its gunnery and driving skills; twice will quarter the skills, etc. The effect of multiple hits will primarily increase the effectiveness, with only a small effect on how long the paint lasts for (adding just 1 extra turn of duration per hit). Paint from one paintgun hit should last for about 2-4 turns, from one paintspray for 3-5 turns, and from a ped paintrifle for 0-2 turns. The entire vehicle will continue to be affected, rather than the facing that's 'hit'. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 31, 2011, 7:25 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 Nioce. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 31, 2011, 7:50 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 Sounds ace. Going to make peds painting a lot scarier now. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jan 31, 2011, 7:51 pm

PieMonster Exalted Racer Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: Nov 29, 2008 and what about targetting through a paint cloud? accuracy effect like smoke? Guess no effect on smoke with this change? Would be good to reiterate its current effects? Cheers Pie ......................... vet elmsautumn gwped wv Posted Jan 31, 2011, 9:06 pm Last edited Feb 1, 2011, 6:43 pm by *PieMonster*

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Targeting thru paint and smoke is the same, yes. Smoke lasts longer though. Both have a very strong effect on accuracy (stronger than 2x stacked paint hits, in fact) ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 31, 2011, 9:27 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 What is the affect on accuracy? % to hit, dropped skill, same as a moving vehicle? What is the calculation using to compute that accuracy drop? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jan 31, 2011, 9:31 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Dark Tempest* said: What is the affect on accuracy? Substantial *Dark Tempest* said: % to hit, dropped skill, same as a moving vehicle? Hard to say.. it's quite a complex mix of factors (something like 12-15 factors in total) that includes multipliers as well as linear adds/subtracts, so the overall effects aren't totally separable. *Dark Tempest* said: What is the calculation using to compute that accuracy drop? It certainly involves multiplying stuff, using base 10.  Hehe I'm teasing you here mostly of course. I like to keep these numbers hidden... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 31, 2011, 9:57 pm Last edited Jan 31, 2011, 9:58 pm by *sam*

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Quote: I like to keep these numbers hidden... As it should be. ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Jan 31, 2011, 10:10 pm

iceman Sock Monkey Killaz Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 924 Joined: May 13, 2009 Doesnt this make paint sprays and HPS kinda...pointless You can only snag someone with a paint spray if they are right on your butt... ...if they are right on your butt, how can they miss even at 50/25% effectiveness? Edit: but then what do I know, I'm a monkey... ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 31, 2011, 10:57 pm Last edited Jan 31, 2011, 11:04 pm by johnnynever

Bandulu Kreeps Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: Sep 17, 2010 Good point johnny, it doesn't seem to do much at close range obviously. Just finished a scout where the AI had a Da Vinci and a Wurzel, I brought a sonic with a paint gun because we wanted to test the changes and I got several guns blocked messages like before on the rear mounted PG but also on the Apache. Pretty sure I had the latest patch but maybe not. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 31, 2011, 11:17 pm

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 No more special sticky goo {grumble}no unblocking weapons with hairspray special skill{grumble} all sounds sensible though ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jan 31, 2011, 11:44 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 Does this change mean Paint Guns will be reintroduced to the combat leagues? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Feb 1, 2011, 12:09 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *Dark Tempest* said: Does this change mean Paint Guns will be reintroduced to the combat leagues? There hasnt been any discussion on this DT. Maybe this could be re-evaluated after the new changes have been tested by the community for a bit. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Feb 1, 2011, 12:13 am

Fealty Lost Slaughterhouse: Bloody Remains Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 1,258 Joined: Jan 6, 2009 Direct hits should block weapons. ......................... vet wv Posted Feb 1, 2011, 12:40 am

Parapsycho DW eSports Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 644 Joined: May 23, 2006 I guess I'm confused on the 0-2 turns for paint rifles. Does the 0 mean that it acts in the same turn, but not the next, i.e If I hit them first with the paint, it has an effect on their driving/shooting for the remainder of the turn? Or does it mean it just has no effect? Anywho, this should make ped scouting more risky and possibly more exciting. We'll See! ......................... vet wv paintladder Posted Feb 1, 2011, 1:21 am

Zephyr River City Gamblers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 551 Joined: Dec 12, 2009 *Parapsycho* said: I guess I'm confused on the 0-2 turns for paint rifles. Does the 0 mean that it acts in the same turn, but not the next, i.e If I hit them first with the paint, it has an effect on their driving/shooting for the remainder of the turn? Or does it mean it just has no effect? Anywho, this should make ped scouting more risky and possibly more exciting. We'll See! 0-2 duration for paint rifles tells me there's a 33% chance of no effect, 33% chance of one turn duration, and 33% chance of 2 turn duration.  ......................... vet wv Posted Feb 1, 2011, 1:27 am

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Guess paint guns aren't worth $70,000 anymore... Good change - now paint guns in DW are like CW Now we need flaming oil ammunition... ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Feb 1, 2011, 1:38 am

*JD_Basher* Gearjammers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,728 Joined: Feb 11, 2007 Zephyr said: *Parapsycho* said: I guess I'm confused on the 0-2 turns for paint rifles. Does the 0 mean that it acts in the same turn, but not the next, i.e If I hit them first with the paint, it has an effect on their driving/shooting for the remainder of the turn? Or does it mean it just has no effect? Anywho, this should make ped scouting more risky and possibly more exciting. We'll See! 0-2 duration for paint rifles tells me there's a 33% chance of no effect, 33% chance of one turn duration, and 33% chance of 2 turn duration.  This is correct, I think..... There is a CHANCE that one of the 3 possibilities will occur depending on your gunnery skill/Dexterity/Speed. The higher the skills and attributes, the better the chance of a positive outcome from the offensive firing side of the equation. I don't use paint so I can't verify my opinion here.. I WOULD like to hear from others who do use the weapon for their input. ......................... vet marshal wv cont Posted Feb 1, 2011, 2:16 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Juris said: Guess paint guns aren't worth $70,000 anymore... Good change - now paint guns in DW are like CW Now we need flaming oil ammunition... FCE?  ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Feb 1, 2011, 2:21 am

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 johnnynever said: Doesnt this make paint sprays and HPS kinda...pointless  You can only snag someone with a paint spray if they are right on your butt... ...if they are right on your butt, how can they miss even at 50/25% effectiveness?  Someone right behind you isn't necessarily shooting at you, in nasty dogfights. Regular Paint Spray makes a nice ersatz smokescreen - also takes only 20 space! Per the oil mortar idea: WANT. WANT WANT WANT. ......................... vet wv Posted Feb 1, 2011, 3:13 am Last edited Feb 1, 2011, 3:14 am by Fifth

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