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Escaping camp attacks

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 I've never considered that to be a bad thing given that we shouldn't be expected to breathe DW to run a camp. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jan 13, 2011, 1:35 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 *Dark Tempest* said: I've never considered that to be a bad thing given that we shouldn't be expected to breathe DW to run a camp. +1 ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Jan 13, 2011, 1:47 pm

Jeelz The Dionysian Dozen -CHQ- Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,054 Joined: Apr 30, 2009 I'm a camp owner and this will hurt me and possibly make me unpopular as well - but if you can't defend your camp at short notice then you could either: Cut back your operational hours *OR* Organize for other campers to guard the camp in shifts - keeping an eye out for any upcoming attacks and possibly fielding the defense themselves. At the moment there is little need for the involvement of other camp members beyond providing mechs and maybe running goods to camp. Perhaps this is the incentive required to increase engagement of other staff. Camping shouldn't be for carebears - it's rough out there in the wilds. Pioneering is hard work etc etc. I think running a camp is not easy, but that it should be even harder to present a high level challenge to long term players that are looking for something more. In fact, I think the game in general could benefit from further gearing against long term/cashed up players who basically just romp around Evan on a whim. Wrong place for this rant, but I was on a roll ......................... vet wv combatL1 raceL1 deathrceL1 paintladder Posted Jan 14, 2011, 8:31 am

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Sam. in the pvp camp defence at the vault today humungous ran his unarmed fuel wagon away (sensibly) from the main fight. We caught it BUT... can you confirm whether, had this vehicle had escaped at 500m, we would have taken camp damage? I think that would be ridiculous but Longo seemed to think we would ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 9:01 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 goat starer said: Sam. in the pvp camp defence at the vault today humungous ran his unarmed fuel wagon away (sensibly) from the main fight. We caught it BUT... can you confirm whether, had this vehicle had escaped at 500m, we would have taken camp damage? I think that would be ridiculous but Longo seemed to think we would Longo is right, yes. I guess unarmed vehicles should be removed from this process..? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 1:19 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 That would work, as long as paint cars etc. count as unarmed. Or maybe do damage based on weapon CR, rather than total CR? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Jan 14, 2011, 1:22 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 I don't like the process at all if i want to damage an enemy camp i load up a bunch of fast cars with one light rocket and hardly any armour.... then i just scatter and run at the beginning. every car escapes.... the camp takes damage and it simply cant defend against this approach. they dont even have to send good gangers or worry about losses... 4l phoenixes with a light rocket would work. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:27 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 goat starer said: I don't like the process at all if i want to damage an enemy camp i load up a bunch of fast cars with one light rocket and hardly any armour.... then i just scatter and run at the beginning. every car escapes.... the camp takes damage and it simply cant defend against this approach. they dont even have to send good gangers or worry about losses... 4l phoenixes with a light rocket would work. I only added the process last week, in response to an exploit that people were using against NPC attacks: they would simply send a single fast car against the NPCs, and run away, making the NPCs disappear at 500m. I could change it so this doesn't apply in pvp attacks. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:54 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 that would be the obvious thing to do. :-) ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:55 pm

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 *sam* said: goat starer said: I don't like the process at all if i want to damage an enemy camp i load up a bunch of fast cars with one light rocket and hardly any armour.... then i just scatter and run at the beginning. every car escapes.... the camp takes damage and it simply cant defend against this approach. they dont even have to send good gangers or worry about losses... 4l phoenixes with a light rocket would work. I only added the process last week, in response to an exploit that people were using against NPC attacks: they would simply send a single fast car against the NPCs, and run away, making the NPCs disappear at 500m. I could change it so this doesn't apply in pvp attacks. Disagree. From a RP perspective, a cavalry raid is exactly what I'd do to a vulnerable base. Use a force to draw out the base's mobile defenders, and then use a light, fast force to do damage to the base. There were several points during the American Civil War where exactly the same strategy was used to great effect. Granted, we'd need the ability to play an actual attack, and the ability to fight the battle on the camp map to make this fair... ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 3:58 pm Last edited Jan 14, 2011, 3:59 pm by Fifth

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Fifth.. there are far too many things missing to make this feasible... advance scouts so you get an idea of what you are facing... spies in towns... the ability to fight a separate battle at the vault (which would be an easy defence in any case... the bases 'mobile defenders' that went out yesterday to fight humungous left a firetruck and 8 or nine buzzers behind all with plenty of multi skilled crew).. this is about game play and an obvious exploit that needs to be plugged now. If it isn't i will be sending a convoy 5lv8 ospreys to Asgard to try out the theory. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:11 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 OK, I have done that: the damage from cars removed at 500m is only applied if it's an NPC attack. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:42 pm

Fifth Fifth Legion Autodueller Renegade Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: Jan 3, 2010 *sam* said: OK, I have done that: the damage from cars removed at 500m is only applied if it's an NPC attack. OK, just thought of a potential exploit: If you escape a car at 500m, the driver gains 1 scouting skill (I think.) If you escape a car at 350, the skill-up doesn't happen. Therefore, escapes at 350 and 500 are different in the code. Would an escape at 350, ie a player right-clicking on a vehicle and saying, Escape Now! still not to dany damage to the camp? OTOH, I know nothing about programming so I might be wrong. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:45 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 thanks Sam... fifth.. I may be being dim but i don't understand that one? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:50 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Fifth said: *sam* said: OK, I have done that: the damage from cars removed at 500m is only applied if it's an NPC attack. OK, just thought of a potential exploit: If you escape a car at 500m, the driver gains 1 scouting skill (I think.) If you escape a car at 350, the skill-up doesn't happen. Therefore, escapes at 350 and 500 are different in the code. Would an escape at 350, ie a player right-clicking on a vehicle and saying, Escape Now! still not to dany damage to the camp? OTOH, I know nothing about programming so I might be wrong. No, the damage was only ever added for the 500m removal. A 350m escape means the NPC/player is trying to escape rather than forcibly removed due to getting too far away. BTW disappearing at 500m doesn't give scouting skill.  But you are right that different bits of code deal with 350m and 500m removals  ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:53 pm Last edited Jan 14, 2011, 4:54 pm by *sam*

*Tango* 2ManyRads CI Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,543 Joined: Mar 21, 2010 *sam* said: [ BTW disappearing at 500m doesn't give scouting skill.  so what I've been told for 6 months about getting a chance of a driving skillup at 500m is just a wrong rumor? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp5 pvp4 combat1 pvp3 zom community Posted Jan 14, 2011, 4:58 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Tango said: *sam* said: [ BTW disappearing at 500m doesn't give scouting skill.  so what I've been told for 6 months about getting a chance of a driving skillup at 500m is just a wrong rumor? a DRIVING skillup.... driving further raises your chances of picking up a point.. escaping at 500 would help that.. but not scouting. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 5:01 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 True - and to be completely accurate, it's not 'escaping at 500m' that gives you a greater chance of driving skill, it's all the turns you spent getting there. IOW - if you hit 350m at 10 turns and 500m 5 turns later, you get 'credit' for 5 more turns of driving. If you take 50 turns to get to 350m and only 5 more to get to 500m, you're not really gaining much - but if you get to 400m and can maintain that for a long time, you are 'driving' more and more turns. At least that's the way *I* understand it... ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 5:31 pm

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 *sam* said: No, the damage was only ever added for the 500m removal. A 350m escape means the NPC/player is trying to escape rather than forcibly removed due to getting too far away. So if we get the message that "the remaining vehicles are trying to escape" and we let them, we do not have to worry about taking camp damage? ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 7:46 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *Marc5iver* said: *sam* said: No, the damage was only ever added for the 500m removal. A 350m escape means the NPC/player is trying to escape rather than forcibly removed due to getting too far away. So if we get the message that "the remaining vehicles are trying to escape" and we let them, we do not have to worry about taking camp damage? correct ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jan 14, 2011, 8:24 pm

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