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Weapon nomencalture

*DoubleTap* The Ghosts Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 895 Joined: Jul 13, 2007 I was wondering (because I'm a nerd about this kindof thing) what the general sizes of the different weapons were. For instance: Machine guns: .30 cal/7.62mm (maybe 5.56mm as well) Heavy MGs: .50 cal/12.7mm? Car rifle .50 cal, like a semi-auto .50 cal sniper rifle, only vehicle mounted? OR Machineguns more like .50 cal, with HMGs going about 20mm, and the car rifle being an actual recoiless rifle (which generally go either 90mm or 106mm)? Merely curious, you understand.... ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jul 16, 2007, 9:17 pm

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 We understand your interest. In fact, this is very vague. I'm guessing the 1st version is the more obvious, but this is certainly not correct, as there as been no reference to real weapons used... ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted Jul 16, 2007, 9:21 pm Last edited Jul 16, 2007, 9:50 pm by *viKKing*

Jansan Vigilante Knights Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: May 7, 2007 I always assumed the first set. When I heard car-rifle, I immedietly thought of someone propping up a semi-automatic high-powered rifle on their passenger's side dashboard. ......................... vet Posted Jul 16, 2007, 10:01 pm

*DoubleTap* The Ghosts Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 895 Joined: Jul 13, 2007 The first set makes more sense to me too. I know in the original Car Wars (which bares some resemblance to DW), the MG's were pretty much .50 cal, but the idea of a basic 5.56mm (like the US Army's SAW) or 7.62mm (Like just about every light or medium machine gun made since WW2) sounds about right. As for heavy machine guns, the Browning .50 cal M-2 heavy barrel (along with the Russian-made 12.7mm DsHK) is pretty much the definitive HMG. Alternately, a 7.62mm or 5.56 gatling gun would be roughly the same size, and what it lacked in hitting power it would make up for in rate of fire. Plus, the idea of a vehicle mounted .50 cal semi auto rifle is just too cool NOT to imagine. A 20mm automatic cannon (or even 30mm) sounds a little big for a car, at least to me. Again, my apologies, as I'm a nerd about this sort of thing. So far, it seems as though we agree that your basic vehicle mounted MG could be any one of a vast number .30cal/7.62mm/5.56mm machine guns and squad automatic weapons made in the last 50 years or so. I love that idea, myself. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jul 16, 2007, 11:46 pm

*Toecutter* Toecutters Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 945 Joined: Oct 31, 2006 as far as I know car rifles are indeed recoiless rifles..hence their virtualy non-existant recoil ^^ ......................... marshal vet race1 elmsautumn wv Posted Jul 17, 2007, 3:50 am

Seiler Pestilence Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Storytellers Posts: 946 Joined: Apr 29, 2007 I really dont think the weapons systems are based on any particular system, more of a "concept."  Because it's a Hit Point system instead of an armor penetration system (see Combat Mission) it's simply a matter of damage.  Thus a MG could have slow fire rate and an HMG might have double or more the rate of fire, but operate off a similar, or perhaps the same, caliber.  A car rifle could be a recoilless rifle, but none of the RR's I've seen could fit comfortably inside any conventional car.  Thus I think it's simply easier to assume that the weapons are some post-apocalyptic mis-matching of systems and concepts that are somehow fit into a chassis and wired to a gunner's seat.  Plus the danger of assigning a particular modern system to any in-game weapon would bring into question damage ratios and accuracy characterisitics comparisons that I really dont think the game needs to concern itself with in the forseeable future. I can see people debating the range of an M249 SAW as being much further than an in game shot allows, etc. ......................... vet deathrceL1 wv Posted Jul 17, 2007, 5:19 am Last edited Jul 17, 2007, 5:23 am by Seiler

*viKKing* Skulls And Bones Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,249 Joined: Oct 12, 2006 A Car Rifle could either be an Anti-Tank Rifle (WW2 reference) than a 75 mm recoiless gun. I hope we will be able to have a specific 3D model for each weapon one day. ......................... vet cont zom slay2013 marshal wv Posted Jul 17, 2007, 12:20 pm

*DoubleTap* The Ghosts Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 895 Joined: Jul 13, 2007 Seiler, I'm with you. I wouldn't want to over quantify/qualify anything; I was really just thinking of general classifications. For instance (as you stated) a standard mg could be a vintage Amercian M-60, Russian RPK, even a Bren gun. An HMG could (emphasis on the "could") be a Browning .50 cal (600-800 big 'ol fifty caliber rounds per minute) or a 5.56mm gatling gun (1200 or more fast little 5.56 rounds per minute). As for the rifles, I'd imagine a car chasis would soak up the recoil of a properly mounted .50 cal semi-auto sniper rifle, since a man could fire one from a prone position. I also agree 100% that it could be some near-future compact recoiless rifle (which were recoiless because they fired self-propelled projectiles). As for tank guns, I always had a hard time imagining a 75mm Sherman tank cannon mounted in a car, but of course it's possible in terms of the game. I also like the idea of a single 20mm or 30mm tankbuster cannon, like those sometimes mounted on an attack helo (not the one on the A-10... those 30mm gatling cannons are HUGE), only semi auto instead of full auto. I, for one, wouldn't be crazy about one specific 3-d model for each weapon... I much prefer the conceptualized approach (although I admit they'd be cool as hell to look at, viKKing!). As for people arguing real world ranges and such, you're firing a mounted machine gun from a moving vehicle at a moving vehicle while driving, and turns are one second intervals... who care's what the range is? You're lucky to hit anything at all! ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jul 17, 2007, 7:24 pm Last edited Jul 18, 2007, 4:34 am by DoubleTap

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