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League points, This really needs to be reevaluated

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 513 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 League event ties and League over ties really need to be just that...ties. In other words equal prizes/points/etc. I mean seriously does anybody see anything wrong with this picture? Final Standing: 1st Gregg 'Double Kill' Glowacki (Route 666) (3937 pts) 2nd James 'Bullet Poet' Stephens (-^-HellRazors-^-) (3937 pts) Current Standing After 0 Weeks (of 5) Pos Gang Points This Wk 1st Joels Bastards 24 24 2nd -^-HellRazors-^- 23 23 3rd Renshai 23 23 4th The Vanguards 20 20 5th Route 666 18 18 So even though I'm listed as first in the event and even though we both tied dead even I gained 5 less points. So now instead of being tied for 2nd over all I'm out of the competition for 1st place over all. I really do not see how this is fair scoring for the leagues and would seriously like to see changes made. ......................... vet wv gwped Posted Jul 21, 2010, 8:43 am

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 I have to agree here... Also when points are actually tied in the standings, someone gets the shaft and gets bumped down to a lower spot. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Jul 21, 2010, 2:26 pm

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 513 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 Ok now I'm a little more calm. If ties are not going to be treated as equal in points/winnings/etc it would hurt to actually see the criteria for a tie breaker. There's several things I don't like about the way the leagues work but this one irked me last night. ......................... vet wv gwped Posted Jul 22, 2010, 6:47 am

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 As far as I know, the tiebreaker goes to the first person who entered the league. It does need a revamp as this makes no sense. ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 8:08 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Sorry about that, upgrayedd.. it's pretty unusual to score identical points to someone in an arena combat, so this is unusual. (And a draw in a race or deathrace is nigh-on impossible). Obviously the ordering of 1st and 2nd shown on the webpage was reversed in the prizes allocation code.. what I'll do in this case is set you both to 21 pts in the league, and see if I can figure an automatic check for this in future. In terms of league points ties, yes it's not great at the moment; I'll have a think about tie-breaker approaches that would be feasible to implement.. perhaps whoever scored most in their last event. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:10 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:10 am by *sam*

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Most points in last event, no, that is not good. Depending on what chassis are used, and what weapons, the point outcome of matches are drastically different. Toying around with setting, its easy to score 20k+ points in pro events for example, light armor + heavy gun = lots of points. Anyway, its not a good way unless everyone is fighting in the same circumstances, and this is not the case in the combat league. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:14 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:15 am by FireFly

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 FireFly said: Most points in last event, no, that is not good. Depending on what chassis are used, and what weapons, the point outcome of matches are drastically different. Toying around with setting, its easy to score 20k+ points in pro events for example, light armor + heavy gun = lots of points. Anyway, its not a good way unless everyone is fighting in the same circumstances, and this is not the case in the combat league. I didn't mean combat-points, I meant final-standing points, i.e. what they actually received from their last event towards their league standing. If their last events are tied we can look at their 2nd-to-last, etc. This approach would be good for any type of league, hence no separate coding needed for combat/races etc. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:16 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:17 am by *sam*

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 513 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 *sam* said: Sorry about that, upgrayedd.. it's pretty unusual to score identical points to someone in an arena combat, so this is unusual. (And a draw in a race or deathrace is nigh-on impossible). Obviously the ordering of 1st and 2nd shown on the webpage was reversed in the prizes allocation code.. what I'll do in this case is set you both to 21 pts in the league, and see if I can figure an automatic check for this in future. In terms of league points ties, yes it's not great at the moment; I'll have a think about tie-breaker approaches that would be feasible to implement.. perhaps whoever scored most in their last event. Thanks Sam. In this case it's the first week of the league. So there were no prior scores. I don't know how often ties come up but it might be something to note if you base it on the prior week's scores.  Also I apologize if my first message was a little heated. Between the heat and the OT I'm putting it I'm a little short tempered lately  ......................... vet wv gwped Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:20 am Last edited Jul 22, 2010, 9:22 am by upgrayedd

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 *sam* said: FireFly said: Most points in last event, no, that is not good. Depending on what chassis are used, and what weapons, the point outcome of matches are drastically different. Toying around with setting, its easy to score 20k+ points in pro events for example, light armor + heavy gun = lots of points. Anyway, its not a good way unless everyone is fighting in the same circumstances, and this is not the case in the combat league. I didn't mean combat-points, I meant final-standing points, i.e. what they actually received from their last event towards their league standing. If their last events are tied we can look at their 2nd-to-last, etc. This approach would be good for any type of league, hence no separate coding needed for combat/races etc. DOH! Haha, well that was embarrassing, but cant 2 people just be tied for the place, I mean, both people get second place? ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:23 am

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 *sam* said: Sorry about that, upgrayedd.. it's pretty unusual to score identical points to someone in an arena combat, so this is unusual. (And a draw in a race or deathrace is nigh-on impossible). Obviously the ordering of 1st and 2nd shown on the webpage was reversed in the prizes allocation code.. what I'll do in this case is set you both to 21 pts in the league, and see if I can figure an automatic check for this in future. In terms of league points ties, yes it's not great at the moment; I'll have a think about tie-breaker approaches that would be feasible to implement.. perhaps whoever scored most in their last event. Sam, In the RC I offered a solid layout of what would occur in the final league standings if a tie occurred. I can bump it forward again if you need some assistance with this. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,206,126 Posted Jul 25, 2010, 2:03 am Last edited Jul 25, 2010, 2:56 am by Lord Foul

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 513 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 Post removed as LF fixed his typo. ......................... vet wv gwped Posted Jul 25, 2010, 2:41 am Last edited Jul 25, 2010, 3:02 am by upgrayedd

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Quote: but cant 2 people just be tied for the place, I mean, both people get second place? Thats how most points tables work. Neither was the winner, both get the lower place. (It was a tie, 1 point instead of 2.) ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 25, 2010, 3:40 am

upgrayedd -=[Death Dealers]=- Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 513 Joined: Feb 28, 2010 Tied again tonight for 2nd place in the PB league. This time I got the higher of the points. ......................... vet wv gwped Posted Jul 28, 2010, 9:44 am

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 New system sucks. Should get NO points for losing. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Sep 11, 2010, 6:48 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 yep.. its ludicrous.. the division 5 leader has not won a SINGLE game... none.. zip.. zilch.. nada... has only in fact PLAYED one game (which they lost) got points for a 'win' against me because i didnt understand how the thing worked but all their other points have come from no shows and losing. (incidentally i just got points for a 'win' against a team who didnt show but who had set a squad... i dont think i should have these either... you should only get points for matches you played... these should be weighted against how many you turned up for) ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Sep 11, 2010, 6:50 pm Last edited Sep 11, 2010, 8:02 pm by goat starer

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Um, I think you guys necro'd a thread from over a month ago that was about all the other leagues to make a point about PVP squad league scoring, which is done entirely differently? ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Sep 11, 2010, 8:49 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 well i blame joel for that... but teh point stands ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Sep 11, 2010, 8:57 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 goat starer said: well i blame joel for that... but teh point stands  I disagree with your point, entirely, btw. But you're only looking at part of the picture not the whole thing. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Sep 11, 2010, 9:03 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 yeah.. i'm looking at the 'part' where i have beaten everyne io have played (2) and am losoing to someone who has beaten NOBODY... erm??? yeah.. i must be missing some big picture here.. i have 2 games left.. both of these are agsinst morons who have not played a SINGLE match.. so thats 2 no shows in the offing... WOW brilliant league we have here.. a person who has won no games will win... I'm sorry D0dger.. what exactly is your point? anyway i have another 15 million dollars to spend sending bounty hunters after the current league leader ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Sep 11, 2010, 10:32 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Well actually, if it were scored the way you are proposing, you'd be still be losing to the same guy, because you'd both have 1 less point... and the same gap you have now? Because, you got one point for your loss against him? (even though it was a time mixup on your part, and not an actual fight) Unless you're proposing that no points are awarded to someone when their opponent fails to show up? In which case, I continue to disagree. I, for one, do not want a scoring system that promotes the possibility of having my opponents not show up for a match to deny me the chance to get league points. I think we're both agreeing that the league standings should be based on actual combat prowess in actual fights. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Sep 11, 2010, 11:17 pm Last edited Sep 11, 2010, 11:19 pm by d0dger

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