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Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 *sam* said: Kornkob said: The central question (and its a question we asked on every game I worked on) is what segment of the audience does Sam consider his core? They're both core.. different towns, different NPC gangs with different fame/skill characteristics should make both viable. I have to say, that's not how it feels.  Since this change I'm coming back from a lot more 'I'll just do a quick SS scout' events feeling like it took longer and more people got more beat up than usual.  It feels like the risk has been amped up and the NPCs, even on smaller scouts (I don't think I've been on a Mega since this change), hang in longer and fight harder.  Now maybe that is perception and I've just had several 'bad roll' events in a row.  But I don't jump in to do a scout before bed anymore. ......................... vet wv Posted May 21, 2010, 4:10 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Kornkob, the reason "Quick SS scouts" take so long because everyone insists on bringing Apaches, rear weapons, and the "Lets thin them out" plan. Ask some of the people I've done SS scouts with lately, its 5 - 10 vs 6 - 12, only takes about 30 min or so, and no, this is not because I use uber gangers or cars, its mostly muscle-cars and/or a big pickup, with 50 - 80 or so skilled people... In other words, people don't dogfight enough, in SS of all places, were its actually pretty doable. LoSboccacc said: also, it feels like everywhere else than somerset there is no such thing as a 'quick' scout for me to do. Well, that's because, outside of SS, "Quick" scouts are really never done, outside solo's ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted May 21, 2010, 4:27 pm Last edited May 21, 2010, 4:37 pm by FireFly

LoSboccacc Omnia vincit armor Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: Feb 23, 2010 I agree with the dude. also, it feels like everywhere else than somerset there is no such thing as a 'quick' scout for me to do. ......................... vet wv Posted May 21, 2010, 4:29 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 FireFly said: Kornkob, the reason "Quick SS scouts" take so long because everyone insists on bringing Apaches, rear weapons, and the "Lets thin them out" plan. What your comment overlooks is that I used the string them out with apache's plan before and after this change.  The thing that changed is how the NPCs react, not how the scout was conducted. ......................... vet wv Posted May 21, 2010, 6:17 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Kornkob The Dude said: FireFly said: Kornkob, the reason "Quick SS scouts" take so long because everyone insists on bringing Apaches, rear weapons, and the "Lets thin them out" plan. What your comment overlooks is that I used the string them out with apache's plan before and after this change.  The thing that changed is how the NPCs react, not how the scout was conducted. I'm just saying, during my last SS scouts, it was very easy to get the enemy to demoralize, even without killing to much... That said, I got a skull cracked last scout, flamethrowers are a risky venture. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted May 21, 2010, 6:59 pm Last edited May 21, 2010, 7:00 pm by FireFly

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 JS said:       My point all along is that 50% is about the historical number where units give up, whether by fleeing or surrendering.  . and you have failed to produce one relevant example... where i have produced lots of relevant conter examples... so people can now decide for themselves!  ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 21, 2010, 7:05 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 FireFly said: Kornkob The Dude said: FireFly said: Kornkob, the reason "Quick SS scouts" take so long because everyone insists on bringing Apaches, rear weapons, and the "Lets thin them out" plan. What your comment overlooks is that I used the string them out with apache's plan before and after this change.  The thing that changed is how the NPCs react, not how the scout was conducted. I'm just saying, during my last SS scouts, it was very easy to get the enemy to demoralize, even without killing to much... That said, I got a skull cracked last scout, flamethrowers are a risky venture. FF to be honest your dual HFT apaches burned the hell out of them, that's why they demoed... npc are scared of fire it seems ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted May 21, 2010, 7:43 pm Last edited May 21, 2010, 7:43 pm by *Tinker*

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Could this be the end of the "string 'em out" technique! I CERTAINLY HOPE SO! ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted May 21, 2010, 7:51 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 FireFly said: I'm just saying, during my last SS scouts, it was very easy to get the enemy to demoralize, even without killing to much... That said, I got a skull cracked last scout, flamethrowers are a risky venture. No--what you said is that SS Scouts take a long time because of the vehicles and tactics used.  What I am clearly stating is: given that I have not changed my loadouts or tactics, since these changes it seems that scouts take longer and friendlies are coming back with more damage because the NPC stress behavior appears to make them fight longer.  And that this makes it harder for the 'beer and pretzel' player to slip in and join a multiplayer scout for a quick game.  ......................... vet wv Posted May 21, 2010, 7:54 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Kornkob The Dude said: FireFly said: I'm just saying, during my last SS scouts, it was very easy to get the enemy to demoralize, even without killing to much... That said, I got a skull cracked last scout, flamethrowers are a risky venture. No--what you said is that SS Scouts take a long time because of the vehicles and tactics used.  What I am clearly stating is: given that I have not changed my loadouts or tactics, since these changes it seems that scouts take longer and friendlies are coming back with more damage because the NPC stress behavior appears to make them fight longer.  And that this makes it harder for the 'beer and pretzel' player to slip in and join a multiplayer scout for a quick game.  Alright, I can see your point, just clarify this... What is your main style, focused fire on 1 enemy until it goes down or fire spread across several enemies at once, and is it "Run and spread the enemy" or "Engage at once"? ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted May 21, 2010, 8:11 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 *Tinker* said: FF to be honest your dual HFT apaches burned the hell out of them, that's why they demoed... npc are scared of fire it seems That's always been the case.  Aiming 4 or 5 HFTs at an enemy is often enough to demo them even if you don't fire.  Fun tactic, if a bit risky. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted May 21, 2010, 8:28 pm

Kornkob The Dude Urban Achievers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 10, 2010 --- moving my discussion of this topic to the thread in the Subscribers forum---- ......................... vet wv Posted May 21, 2010, 8:33 pm Last edited May 21, 2010, 9:22 pm by Kornkob The Dude

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 The discussion has been moved here in the Subscriber section locking this thread to prevent reductant posts ??Reductant?? Redundent?? ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted May 21, 2010, 9:48 pm Last edited May 21, 2010, 10:29 pm by *SirLatte*

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