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PvP League scoring, revisions needed

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 I didn't miss an event. No opposition set by Sere for the first one, and I won the second one. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted May 18, 2010, 10:25 am

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Ha ok *flogs himself for missing an event he set 20 minutes ahead* ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted May 18, 2010, 8:52 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 While we're discussing this... maybe another point to consider... my opponent this week had a brain fart, and as a result fielded only a 41 CR flash against us. We won of course, and only got 41 demo points... less then the default 50 for no shows... just seems off a bit. Perhaps for a win you get opponent's CR or 50 points, whichever is higher? ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jun 5, 2010, 12:47 am Last edited Jun 5, 2010, 12:47 am by d0dger

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 How about getting rid of points entirely and basing the whole ranking on demo +/-? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jun 13, 2010, 3:30 pm

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 Here is my idea for scoring If both players enter: * Winner gets 3 Points * Loser gets 1 point If only one player enters: * They get 2 points (at least they tried to do battle) * No Show gets 0 points If Neither player shows up: * They both get 0 points Keep the demo +- points as the tiebreaker ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 21, 2010, 8:43 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 *Marc5iver* said: Here is my idea for scoring If both players enter: * Winner gets 3 Points * Loser gets 1 point If only one player enters: * They get 2 points (at least they tried to do battle) * No Show gets 0 points If Neither player shows up: * They both get 0 points Keep the demo +- points as the tiebreaker I love the concept, but you shouldn't have less potential points in a given week then your competitors based on anything your opponent does or does not do. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jun 22, 2010, 12:33 am

simonmaxhill Drive Backwards BFFs Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Storytellers Posts: 1,503 Joined: Mar 10, 2008 I like marc's idea ......................... vet wv Posted Jun 22, 2010, 2:24 am

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 d0dger said: I love the concept, but you shouldn't have less potential points in a given week then your competitors based on anything your opponent does or does not do. The reason a winner of an actual combat would get 3 points instead of 2 is due to the risk involved of actually having a battle as opposed to winning due to no show. I just hope some changes are made before next season as the current system is a little wonky, IMO ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 22, 2010, 2:35 am Last edited Jun 22, 2010, 2:36 am by *Marc5iver*

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 *Marc5iver* said: The reason a winner of an actual combat would get 3 points instead of 2 is due to the risk involved of actually having a battle as opposed to winning due to no show. I just hope some changes are made before next season as the current system is a little wonky, IMO But then you open it up to people being payed/bribed/cajoled into showing up and throwing a fight to get the 3 points instead of 2, or to NOT show up to a match with another opponent, just so they get only 2 points and not the three. Winning the league should be about combat prowess, not politics and maneuvering. PVP Combat league, not Survivor with alliances and intrigue. I'll agree the current system is a bit wonky. At present though you do get the demo points as a tiebreaker for actually fighting and winning, as opposed to 50 points for 'winning' against a no show. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jun 22, 2010, 12:54 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 There was a suggestion* that the +/- demo when there's a no-show is set higher than the squad CR limit (rather than just 50), in order to encourage people to show up even if they think they will lose, rather than don't show at all. But I don't think giving more points in different situations is a good idea. * actually, it was the original suggestion with which marc started this thread. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 23, 2010, 8:25 pm Last edited Jun 23, 2010, 8:27 pm by *sam*

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 That would work as well, but you should not get a single point for a No Show. No Show=No Points. But this hurts the guy who does show up. I revised my points thinking based on a thread from FF. (I know, shocking!  ) Since the tiebreaker is the demo +/- and the main ranking is based on points, I think it is important to not get any points if you can't bother to show up for your event but you should get at least a point even if you show up and lose. Which would lead me to this: * Win via combat - 2 points *Win via other player No Showing – 2 points *Lose a combat – 1 point *No show – 0 points The biggest issue is the making sure it is much more valuable to show up, even if you don’t think you will win, rather than No Showing. I imagine that we expected a lot less No Shows than we are getting in the league. The scoring need to be revised to seriously penalize No Shows and making it a benefit to show up even if you lose. This is why I think 1 point for losing is a good idea ON TOP of the additional Demo loss for the No Show. ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 23, 2010, 9:16 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 *Marc5iver* said: * Win via combat - 2 points *Win via other player No Showing – 2 points *Lose a combat – 1 point *No show – 0 points If I'm allowed, I second this nomination. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jun 23, 2010, 10:45 pm

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 What about a draw where you both did show up? (unlikely, but possible).. 1 pt each? ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 23, 2010, 10:49 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 *sam* said: What about a draw where you both did show up? (unlikely, but possible).. 1 pt each? Sounds right. One point for showing up, second point for the win. No win, no second point for anybody. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jun 23, 2010, 10:52 pm

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 d0dger said: *sam* said: What about a draw where you both did show up? (unlikely, but possible).. 1 pt each? Sounds right. One point for showing up, second point for the win. No win, no second point for anybody. Yeah, this sounds good to me but even a win via other playing No Showing should still be 2 points. ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 23, 2010, 10:55 pm Last edited Jun 23, 2010, 10:56 pm by *Marc5iver*

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 I really want this change now.. I'm sitting in 4th place in Div 5, but 2nd and 3rd place haven't fought a combat yet so my demo+ points are higher than theirs by a large margin. I really hope that I don't lose my chance to get into Div 4 because the promotion spots got filled up with teams that never had to fight an encounter. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jun 26, 2010, 6:43 am

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 *Dark Tempest* said: I really want this change now.. I'm sitting in 4th place in Div 5, but 2nd and 3rd place haven't fought a combat yet so my demo+ points are higher than theirs by a large margin. I really hope that I don't lose my chance to get into Div 4 because the promotion spots got filled up with teams that never had to fight an encounter. Prime example of why the scoring needs changed. Not only this, but they are getting cash rewards as well, and more then you who actually played. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jun 26, 2010, 7:25 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 OK, I'm going to make these changes now, effective immediately: 1. You now get 1 pt for showing up and losing 2. Your Demo-/Demo+ is affected by (max CR) rather than by (50), when you don't show ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 28, 2010, 12:40 pm

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 Thanks Sam. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jun 28, 2010, 7:20 pm

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