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Studly Bros Declare war on everyone

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 Literally everyone. Dont sign up for events you don't show up for(or cancel your signup) Don't just leave when you see me thinking thats a free pass Im roleplaying a vendetta against everyone since everyone doesn't like my gang anyway! Its RP!!! I didn't sign any ToS (or verify my age for that matter??) and there is a vague mention of outside of vendettas slaughter isn't ok so... VENDETTA VENDETTA VENDETTAAAA also I killed some guys today! woot woot Stop trying to impose meta game restrictions on players. If you want people to not shoot at resigned cars then turn it off. This fuzzy griefing bringing people back to life bull has got to end. Clearly define your game rules. You can't specifically impose limitations on certain players. I killed a few people today so you can go watch the replays Sam and stop providing a service I payed for...I did not agree to any terms of service and even then credit unions will usually side with their customers. IT IS time serious design philosophy gets clarified so Sam doesn't have to waste time on the communities every petty whine over "perma-death". Design your game in a way that it works as you intend and then let the players play in it. If verbal abuse gets out of control then yes that is different. But to punish players for playing the game is absurd. There is no other MMO that you could play entirely with in the game engine (i.e. no hacks/macros/etc) not say a word and still get banned. Even games with pseudo-permadeath. You can make up whatever lies about antagonizing the community when clearly the majority is the other way around. I'm going to keep in-game communication to a minimum and the blood flowing, P.S. I rocked in a few events today, killed some dudes, IS IT TIME FOR THE BAN IN THE MIDDLE OF A SERVICE I PAID MONTHS IN ADVANCE FOR? FOR PLAYING COMPLETELY IN THE GAMES RULES??? ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 2:34 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 2:38 pm by Studman

Valiance The Vanguards Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Storytellers Posts: 1,175 Joined: Jan 15, 2008 You make some good points. Especially about the firing on resigned players point - it is hard to play within the game engine rules and still be viewed as a griefer. Although, to be clear, I do think you are a griefer who enjoys making people angry and upset. But I think you'll find that, in the same way a barman doesn't have to serve a customer he thinks is causing aggravation to the other customers, Sam can act in the best interest of his business. And that may not include allowing you to continue. (I'm not saying that he will do that, just that I think he is in rights to do that). ......................... vet combat1 wv ped1 northernsummer Posted May 7, 2010, 2:44 pm

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 I guess so, but if a barman took your money saying he would give you drinks for x months you can't just kick the drunk out of the bar. "IT IS time serious design philosophy gets clarified so Sam doesn't have to waste time on the communities every petty whine over "perma-death". Design your game in a way that it works as you intend and then let the players play in it. If verbal abuse gets out of control then yes that is different. " The issue is mainly: The game should be working in a way that you can play within the game client and not be banned for taking the "wrong" action, this is the only MMO that is implementing such an absurd policy. There is no other MMO that if you did not use some sort of third party hacking program and did not talk to anyone you could be banned permanently. Also I was not asked to accept a ToS or age verification so the arbitrary discontinuation of service is not part of the business agreement. I have carefully documented all of the site with screenshots and including the registration and subscription process. As of this date there is no ToS agreement. I have also documented all PMs from service providers. The only thing I can find is from a FAQ tab page that gives a fuzzy definition of griefing and vague consequences. A faq page you are not even forced to view or agree to is not a legal contract. Paying for a service is though. ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 2:47 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 2:56 pm by Studman

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 [URL=http://img695.imageshack.us/i/samsp.png/] I have not been sent any other PMs about "griefing" so a final warning is also the first? The irrationality here is that this is a very serious threat while at the same time it is so vague and short. What even constitutes as griefing? Can I target others players first? If I shoot to kill another player in a glad event even though you specifically allow that if I do it is it griefing? Some key terms in my documentation I have highlighted is the threat of account cancellation, the lack of a ToS ( or the verification of 13+ a legal requirement in the states at least) Is the act of joining an event seeing that I also entered it and then just leaving an acceptable means of avoiding the conflict? The player didn't even log out of the game right after?? I would also like to add that both these players were brought back to life?? ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 2:59 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 3:05 pm by Studman

johnny go rancid Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,438 Joined: Mar 24, 2010 we really doing this allover Agana? ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:11 pm

metrocube 12th Street Bangers Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 790 Joined: May 2, 2009 You are a sociopath. Please get help for your psychological problem. I've seen Sam warn you in public at least three times that your harassment of other players is unacceptable. Again, please get help for your psychological problems. ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:12 pm

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 metrocube said: You are a sociopath. Please get help for your psychological problem. I've seen Sam warn you in public at least three times that your harassment of other players is unacceptable. Again, please get help for your psychological problems. Because I choose to kill some people in game and refuse to follow a special unfair rule just for me? Its these kind of wild accusations if anything that are harassment. ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:15 pm

metrocube 12th Street Bangers Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 790 Joined: May 2, 2009 We all follow the guidelines. As opposed to you, who show a complete disregard for the moral standards of this local gaming community, you sociopath. Again, please get professional help. Your life doesn't have to be like this. You can learn how to love. ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:17 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 3:19 pm by metrocube

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 metrocube said: We all follow the guidelines.  As opposed to you, who show a complete disregard for the moral standards of this local gaming community, you sociopath. Again, please get professional help. Your life doesn't have to be like this. You can learn how to love. Local gaming community? Are you crazy? Its a very diverse and international one. If it ever hopes to have any growth the issue of having the client work to a point where you can play it would be nice. Shooting at a players characters instead of following the moral standard of e-honor lets kill all the npcs and skill up to 150 no one ever dies? Watching numbers go up, getting phat loot, and not having to think against a real human is so much fun! ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:21 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 3:23 pm by Studman

LoSboccacc Omnia vincit armor Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: Feb 23, 2010 prescinding what happened in the past and in the present, prescinding what the term of services, the rules, the law are, the base reasoning behind the "no rules is agains this behavior so I can do it" is quite wrong all by itself. ...and you know I've always supported your cause for making the wastes more like the wastes and less like the Octoberfest, but making a point on flawed premises brought forward with an aggressive behavior won't get your opinions very far, specially on a 'carebear' community as you say we are. ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:25 pm

metrocube 12th Street Bangers Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Members Posts: 790 Joined: May 2, 2009 Studman said: Its these kind of wild accusations if anything that are harassment. It's an observation that a clinical psychologist could diagnose you as a sociopath based on your behavior here. You have demonstrated all of the following: * lack of empathy * inflated self-appraisal * lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another * reckless disregard for safety of self or others * irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated assaults * impulsivity or failure to plan ahead * deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure * failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for banning Of course, as a sociopath, you don't care about this. I can only hope you screw up in real life and get arrested so that you are forced to get the help you need. ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:25 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 3:26 pm by metrocube

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Studman said: I guess so, but if a barman took your money saying he would give you drinks for x months you can't just kick the drunk out of the bar. Actually you can... At least in my country - any proprietor has the right to deny service to anyone they choose. ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted May 7, 2010, 3:31 pm

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 metrocube said: Studman said: Its these kind of wild accusations if anything that are harassment. It's an observation that a clinical psychologist could diagnose you as a sociopath based on your behavior here. You have demonstrated all of the following: * lack of empathy * inflated self-appraisal * lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another * reckless disregard for safety of self or others * irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated assaults * impulsivity or failure to plan ahead * deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure * failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for banning Of course, as a sociopath, you don't care about this. I can only hope you screw up in real life and get arrested so that you are forced to get the help you need. Because internet gang members are real people? Perhaps you are a bit delusional yourself... Regardless keep this thread on topic ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:32 pm

*Marc5iver* 5ive Crew Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,354 Joined: Oct 10, 2008 What is that saying? Oh yeah, Don't go away mad...just go away. ......................... vet wv gwextrav e2g marshal pvp4 pvp3 pvp2 Posted May 7, 2010, 3:35 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,587 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 Oh - and just for clarification to all reading this thread - I accept your vendetta. If I see you in an event that I'm in I will go for the kill as an act of preemptive strike against an enemy sworn to kill me. ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted May 7, 2010, 3:36 pm

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 *jimmylogan* said: Oh - and just for clarification to all reading this thread - I accept your vendetta. If I see you in an event that I'm in I will go for the kill as an act of preemptive strike against an enemy sworn to kill me. Everyone should be doing this instead of crying and getting their characters brought back to life! ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:40 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 3:41 pm by Studman

Studman Studly Men Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: Dec 14, 2006 ....? I can still post? I don't think asking that the game rules be clearly defined, that the game works, and that the rules be applied to everyone equally is nonsense. What we have is an absurd practice that is very very bad for the future of dark-wind. I'm not asking that everyone should be allowed to kill everyone forever everywhere. What I am asking is that the rules be applied equally and the game client works. Turn off targeting of resigned cars then if thats what needs to be done you can't use vague threads and meta rules on a player. It is unfair and bad business. ......................... vet wv Posted May 7, 2010, 3:53 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 3:54 pm by Studman

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Again your argument holds water like a sieve. There are quite clear statements regarding the possible repercussions of griefing. If, as you suggest, there are no terms and conditions then you cannot argue either way what Sam can and cannot do with his business. For the sake of argument if there were sufficient terms and conditions to form a contract, Sam at any point is within his rights to terminate the contract between you. Given that your subs are returned on a pro rata basis there is no unfairness in this and you suffer no damages. It is not for you to say that players shouldn't register for an event and then not turn up for example. What possible good reason do you have for saying that? None, there is no RP reason behind that and thus you cannot argue an RP basis for your actions. This, I would suggest, demonstrates the fact that you are griefing. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted May 7, 2010, 4:19 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 4:19 pm by *Ninesticks*

Crazy AL Street Pizza Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: Feb 14, 2008 Sun Tzu: All warfare is based on deception. Studwuss has made his intentions known very clearly. He is not using an exploit to kill anyone. He's using a known game mechanic that everyone else can use. Complaining about it is starting to seem like whining to me. "He's playing by the rules and that's not fair when he kills my gangers!" Also Sun Tzu: Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory. Races and DR's generally don't interest me all that much, but frankly his attitude and him being around doing these events makes me want to enter them even more so I can F'ing kill him first. ......................... vet wv zom pvp1 ped1 Posted May 7, 2010, 4:20 pm Last edited May 7, 2010, 4:20 pm by Crazy AL

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Yes, you can still post. Apparently someone wants this thread open. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted May 7, 2010, 4:22 pm

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