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Art stuff. , character portraits

Ganthor The Lisa Frank FanClub Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: Apr 21, 2010 okay first off, im an aesthetics guy when it comes to game design. I'm one of those fruit-loops who believe visuals and ambiance are just as important as gameplay. I'm totally loving this game. I'm super fond of the game-play, pacing, and especially the character management aspect. I've noticed that the one thing this game really lacks is art. A game this good shouldn't settle for "The graphics get the job done" As such, Ive put together a little mockup of an idea ive had for slowly injecting more art into the game. A huge portion of character management involves static images of the character model. To put it bluntly, the 3d models are downright garish, and while perfectly acceptable for gameplay, they aren't that fun to look at all the time. Especially as character management (and becoming emotionally attached to your characters despite the high mortality rate) is a huge element of the game. My suggestion is that more stylized 2d art is used for portraits, such as in the menus during vehicle combat. In my example mockup I have based the sketches on the existing character models, so those models could still be used for gameplay. I read that there were plans for making characters customizable, and the 2D portraits could compliment such a system absurdly easily (a paper doll-like format, you know) please tell me what you think. I felt that this would be an effective means of making the game prettier without needing too many technical adjustments. ......................... vet Posted Apr 23, 2010, 11:26 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Nice Pics Brings to mind the BG system of portraits ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Apr 23, 2010, 11:34 am

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Very nice indeed, how much off your time would it take to do for all models we have at the moment ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Apr 23, 2010, 11:45 am

Serephe Collision Force Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,496 Joined: Dec 9, 2007 Impressive. ......................... vet wv paintladder ww0,3,0 Posted Apr 23, 2010, 11:56 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,780 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Yes, excellent sketching there Ganthor! Quote: I read that there were plans for making characters customizable, and the 2D portraits could compliment such a system absurdly easily (a paper doll-like format, you know) Subscribers can currently upload complete re-workings of the character textures, but I think what you're probably referring to here is the idea of having a set of specific named items on each character that can be switched..? e.g. in your example you'd be able to select hair colour, sunglasses colour etc. -- this is an eminently do-able thing, yes, and the idea of matching it with a paper-doll system on the website and GUIs would work too. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Apr 23, 2010, 11:57 am

Karz Master Alpha Junkers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Storytellers + IP Posts: 2,375 Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Bastiel said: Nice Pics  Brings to mind the BG system of portraits Baldur's Gate!!! Holyyyy macaroni Baldur's Gate! And Jagged Alliance, and Realms of Arkania, and.... I actually like this a lot. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Generic Ganger Model #3, though I appreciate the effort made into creating the default skins and models. I'd much rather have portraits too to represent my guys. Also, nice sketches! ......................... vet wv zom Posted Apr 23, 2010, 11:57 am Last edited Apr 23, 2010, 11:58 am by Karz Master

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,907 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 that is really good stuff ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Apr 23, 2010, 12:13 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Impressive, very impressive, and awesome ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Apr 23, 2010, 1:22 pm

johnny go rancid Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,438 Joined: Mar 24, 2010 that would be ace!!!! ......................... vet wv Posted Apr 23, 2010, 2:05 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 It would be even cooler if all of the guns had different images! I'm quite sure that the tank gun and the Gatling gun look quite different from one another, so if there was an artist out there interested in coming up with different pics for them it would be sweet! ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Apr 23, 2010, 3:13 pm

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 I'm no artist (especially not in 2d), but I could probably put together some new 3d models for different weapon types, if sam was interested in implementing them. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Apr 23, 2010, 3:46 pm

*Burden* The Speedrunners Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,013 Joined: Oct 4, 2009 Another thing that would be great, would be to be able to make your own customizable sketches to show up on the car/occupant's/character menu! For the character menu of course, it would show the sketched image and not the character model, and for the character's body out in the wilderness, it would just show the model that your drawing has been based around. People can handle that... I've handled my muties looking exactly like humans despite what their character page tells me. However, most people would probably go with these, because they're just great. ......................... wv vet zom marshal pvp2 paintladder Posted Apr 23, 2010, 4:12 pm

Ganthor The Lisa Frank FanClub Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: Apr 21, 2010 woah, awesome feedback. ill try to reply to everyone! (this community is aaawesome) @Bastiel- thanks! @Grogat- right now I have school, plus I'm trying to avoid art jobs that aren't paying at the moment, but I might be able to make an exception here, time permitted. My guess would be possible a few weeks, maybe less. I'd love it if somebody could send me larger images of each character model to work off of. @serephe- thanks! @sam- That's exactly what I was referring to, yes. For the way things are now though, just solid image portraits would suffice. Perhaps in the case of custom skins, players could have the option of uploading a custom portrait art or just going with the current model-rendering technique. (that's how it works right? I haven't found anyone who's customized their character skins yet) @karz- thanks! i haven't played any of those games! wat am I doooing here? @goat- thanks! @firefly- thanks! @johnny- iknowrite? +5-15% sellability! @tempest- I personally don't have much experience drawing a vast variety of guns, but I probably shouldn't be trusted for that job, as I would want to make them all in cute SD scale and before you know it this'd be a post-apocalypse Choro Q racing game.. which would be amazing, and awesome... to me but obviously not true to the original intent. @ wolfsbane- I was going to say, it shouldn't be too hard to adjust/re-color some 3d models of cool looking guns for this. (cool gun models are available for free download EVERYWHERE. srsly.) @burden- lol! I totally suggested that when replying to sam! seems like were thinking the same thing more or less. ......................... vet Posted Apr 23, 2010, 4:47 pm

*Rezeak* The Dark Knights Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,377 Joined: Aug 8, 2009 ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom pvp3 Posted Apr 23, 2010, 5:41 pm

*Tinker* BibleThumpers Anonymous Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 4,546 Joined: Aug 1, 2008 Like it a lot ......................... vet marshal wv pvp3 zom circuit2 pvp1 cont Posted Apr 23, 2010, 6:19 pm

Djihani Rollovers Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: Jun 26, 2009 I'd rather see that we can change the character icons ourselves than see new standard ones since I've given all my ganger models Classy Pink Suits. (the new models, I avoid the presumably older ones like the plague mostly because of the snapshot photo thingys that make me wanna throw them out of the car). If someone doesnt like your admittedly very nice looking icons they should be allowed to enter their own ones. Gotta say those sketches look way better than the fugly 3d model snapshots though. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn raceL1 deathrceL10,4,0 Posted Apr 24, 2010, 1:00 am

Ganthor The Lisa Frank FanClub Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: Apr 21, 2010 Djihani said: I'd rather see that we can change the character icons ourselves than see new standard ones since I've given all my ganger models Classy Pink Suits. (the new models, I avoid the presumably older ones like the plague mostly because of the snapshot photo thingys that make me wanna throw them out of the car). If someone doesnt like your admittedly very nice looking icons they should be allowed to enter their own ones. Gotta say those sketches look way better than the fugly 3d model snapshots  though. yeah uploading your own portrait art was actually one of my suggestions, which would follow through nicely and easily if/when the idea is implemented. also if anyone has access to bigger pictures of the already existent character models i'd appreciate it. ......................... vet Posted Apr 24, 2010, 1:47 am

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Djihani said: I've given all my ganger models Classy Pink Suits. (the new models, I avoid the presumably older ones like the plague mostly because of the snapshot photo thingys that make me wanna throw them out of the car). A quick perusal of your gang shows that you are, in fact, using the 'older' original models, and avoiding the newer ones. ......................... vet wv community Posted Apr 24, 2010, 1:57 am

Ganthor The Lisa Frank FanClub Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: Apr 21, 2010 Marrkos said: Djihani said: I've given all my ganger models Classy Pink Suits. (the new models, I avoid the presumably older ones like the plague mostly because of the snapshot photo thingys that make me wanna throw them out of the car). A quick perusal of your gang shows that you are, in fact, using the 'older' original models, and avoiding the newer ones. how do you see other peoples characters? cant find it. ......................... vet Posted Apr 24, 2010, 2:30 am

Dr Mathias Wasteland Extravaganza Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors + IP Posts: 1,418 Joined: Oct 9, 2007 Nice drawings, simple yet expressive. Good work! ......................... vet combat1 ped1 wv cont Posted Apr 24, 2010, 3:45 am

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