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About the league system

Jake Nikodemus Garage Boyz Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 Five year old thread ftw! -Jake ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 6, 2012, 4:19 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 The hidden gangs is a very reasonable thing that stemmed from two problems, just not one. a) Most players would dodge a veteran racer, denying the poor bastard points just because he was better than them. b) Due to this, veterans were sniping events at the last minute because they really had no other option with the current point system. Old system cause trouble for everyone, just not the "poor rookies/less skilled people". Then again, I dont like how the leauge point system works anyway, but that's another discussion. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 4:29 pm Last edited Jan 6, 2012, 4:30 pm by FireFly

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Yeh, and what FF said ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Jan 6, 2012, 4:37 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 First off, I'm curious Jake... why res an old thread that really has nothing to do with both your major topics. Yes i am gonna take you to task on it, even though you are not the only one to do this kind of thing. Take a topic and piggyback some baggage. That's one thing but to do it on an old thread as well is really strange to me. Do people just not have the gutz to make new topics about this stuff? The PvP Flag. I dont think anyone has actively intercepted since BL went open PvP. As I predicted it WAS and IS an non-issue. Take away the PvP flag entirely I would bet my whole gang in the FL Glad arena it wouldn't make a lick #### of difference either. Anonymous entries came in shortly after COE where people would enter Fireengines(Lord Foul) and then some of us (ok me) would counter that at the last minute if possible. I do not care about anonymous entries or not. I think the current system helps newbies more overall though. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 4:51 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Agree with Grog, FF, Joel - only reason someone would want to get rid of anonymous league entries would be to point-farm against noobs and scav gangs. Keep it as it is. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 5:30 pm

Jake Nikodemus Garage Boyz Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 Well I jumped on this thread because of the title of the thread, sorry to offend. I remember the arguments for anonymous entries, just not a big fan of the resolution. I'm wondering if this has helped make the Leagues better or worse as far as participation goes. As far as point farming, if you got rid of the anon, and kept the best score for the week, rather than the average score, the system would sort itself out pretty quickly, IMHO. It's fine if no one wants to revisit it, I'm just pointing out what I see as a major flaw in the town events. I really do not understand getting your undies in a bundle about my post. I felt it was fairly innocuous. If you'd like me to open new threads on the same or similar topics, well ok. Also I agree it would be more helpful to spread my comments over the forums as many items I discussed were not related to the thread. I hope you can see it in your hearts to forgive me for such misdeed. But then I am not the first to wander off topic, so you have a lot of tasking to do Joel. Uh yeah, I want to point farm newbs, thanks for letting me in on my motivations. Good mindread there Juris. Once again, my main point here is wondering if there has been more league participation or less since the change was made? -Jake please help me!!! I am too afraid to start a new thread!!! seriously. You people cant just have a discussion, instead you assign nefarious motives and try to discuss all but what I posted about? Really pretty poor way to discuss a topic. You dont have to reply if you dont like it. If you got nothing to add then just stop, ok? Geez guess that was mainly at Joel and Juris. Sorry everyone else. ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 6, 2012, 6:56 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Oi wheres my buzzer dude ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Jan 6, 2012, 6:58 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 FYI, I hate the anon thing. When I am doing leagues, I like the competition. I like fighting Joel, Latte etc in the ped leagues and I would rather not beat up on the new guys. Its not any fun. If I saw some newb competing, I would be more tempted to wait for one of the guys that competes with me....I wanna give my competition 2nd place, I dont want the new/unskilled guy to watch me point up and then leave him the scraps. Ive heard the comment...well if you want to fight your competition, just message them and make sure your in the same event...well some weeks its strategically a bad idea for one side to fight the other...and some just don't want to fight me... just my 2 cents on the matter(I do see the other side of this too). ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 7:02 pm Last edited Jan 6, 2012, 9:56 pm by Longo

Jake Nikodemus Garage Boyz Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 *Grograt* said: Oi wheres my buzzer dude  Its on the BL market. Ill resend the PW. -Jake ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 6, 2012, 7:08 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 Longo said: FYI, I hate the anon thing. When I am doing leagues, I like the competition. I like fighting Joel, Latte etc in the ped leagues and I would rather not eat up on the new guys. Its not any fun. If I saw some newb competing, I would be more tempted to wait for one of the guys that competes with me....I wanna give my competition 2nd place, I dont want the new/unskilled guy to watch me point up and then leave him the scraps. Ive heard the comment...well if you want to fight your competition, just message them and make sure your in the same event...well some weeks its strategically a bad idea for one side to fight the other...and some just don't want to fight me... just my 2 cents on the matter(I do see the other side of this too). Kinda agree with you there.  If you are top dog, yes you want to avoid having to fight guys you know are going to beat you, but if you are trying to get the top dog it's nice knowing when he's joined...except he will usually snipe at the last min...quite a frenzy at that last min -- i dont miss much. Jake, You have a point about jumping on you with others doing the same thing, It's nothing personal. I guess I'd rather have all these different topics separate, it drives me nuts and I felt I could beat you up as an example lol...sorry bud. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,96,31 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 8:07 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Sorry Jake, I just remember what it was like when I was new (before the anon change). When I'd join a league event early it was like a vet summoning spell, since they'd all be waiting around to jump in the event at the last minute so you couldn't withdraw. It meant that people could rack up points fighting only noobs. I never complained about it and actually learned a lot - but I lost a lot of guys. Just figured that was your motivation. If your motivation was because you actually want competition then ask people in the lobby if they want to do a league event. Then join and wait for people to jump in. If it doesn't work you can withdraw. I've done this a few time and usually end up competing against someone good who wants the bonus points, which is the way its supposed to work. Since the change I haven't seen anymore last-second ambush entries. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 8:39 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 I just have to say it while the topic is up, the problem with the big leauges is... First, second and maybe third in all the big leauges proboably never fought eachother... Is not that ####ed up when leauges are about competition? ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 9:04 pm

Jake Nikodemus Garage Boyz Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 Thanks for discussing this and I humbly accept the apologies. I agree the fix has stopped the problem. While I do not really have a unique viewpoint to contribute, I've found that I usually pull out last minute because I DON'T know who I am facing. I would much rather take my chances with AI, than somebody with whom I am unfamiliar. Are there others like me? Currently, if I was a good racer (I cant keep drivers alive, oh well) I would wait to see how many other PC gangs were in and then point farm them, rather than face the AI, because I couldnt get as much reward (points) racing against AI. Changing the rules of leagues in some way would make them feel more like leagues and make more sense than anon reg IMHO. Preregistration for leagues combined with reg fees ( I guess some leagues have this already?) might go a long way toward remedy. Attendance is also mandatory for leagues. You arent going to win if you skip a bunch of events and why should anybody have the right to jump in at the end of a league and play spoiler via point blocking the best performers in the league? I feel it's a bit intellectually dishonest to say the anon protects newbs because newbs really have no business expecting to compete in a league, especially one where you have to provide your own car. If protecting newbs was what we were trying to achieve, then ALL town events should be anonymous. This option would be easier to swallow in an RP sense and would eliminate what I see as an incongruity in the game. If it's good for some town events to be anon reg, then it should be good for all events to be anon reg. Joel the subject jumping in forums makes me a bit crazy too, I'll work to prevent that kinda stream-of-conscious posting, because you are right its annoying and a bit selfish. I probably would have been more mellow if not for that damn smart car incident. Dude took up the only two stalls that werent prepay and he had an electric car..... grrrrrrrr. How the hell did he stretch that damn car to take up two pumps? Who the hell knows. What a douche. -Jake ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 6, 2012, 9:26 pm

PA Racers PA Racers Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 1,005 Joined: Feb 11, 2010 In the REAL WORLD, no racer would drive in events without knowing who is in the race ahead of time. Also, we have destroyed a self-policing aspect of the community by allowing anon registration for events. It's one of those kooky things that makes no sense and drives me a bit more bananas nearly every time I want to participate in some sort of town event. ANd to the a-hole that blocked the only two pumps that werent prepay at the Mobil on Halsted this morning with his effing electric not-so-SMART-car.....My anger is eclipsed by pity. You are driving a coal powered car that couldnt survive a 5mph impact with a bumblebee. The whole thing shook like an leaf when he closed the door. Scary.[/quote] Hummm? Is this Halstead located in PA? Just wondering. I do disagree with the real world example, as I do race Dirt Latemodels and IMCA mods here in PA, and NY. I travel to the local, and not so local races at times, and never know who might show up till you get there. Most times you have a pretty good idea who will show up but ya never know. Point is ya race whoever shows up. I enter the races I run on here based on the track and car, if they are ones I like I enter if not I pass. I enjoy racing with the better racing vets myself, I prefer a good close race anytime over one where the winner is half a lap ahead or more. ......................... vet wv ww northernsummer gwextrav gateautumn raceL1 race1 elmsautumn deathrceL1 e2g santa1 paintladder paintball pvp1 pvp4 pvp3 deathrce1 pvp2 combat1 circuit2 circuit3 circuit1 pvp528,161,23 Posted Jan 6, 2012, 11:23 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 I don't dislike the anonymous bit enough to have brought it up myself, but I do think it takes one important things from us: The opportunity to really get after the guy that's in front. I may not have a great chance of doing it, but I wanna try to take out the points leader (or anyone above me) because it helps my overall standing. Can't do that with the current system. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Jan 7, 2012, 5:41 am

JS Hitmen Trucking Inc -CI- Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,238 Joined: Jan 9, 2010 *JeeTeeOh* said: I don't dislike the anonymous bit enough to have brought it up myself, but I do think it takes one important things from us: The opportunity to really get after the guy that's in front. I may not have a great chance of doing it, but I wanna try to take out the points leader (or anyone above me) because it helps my overall standing. Can't do that with the current system. Yes, the idea that the best racers/players in the game need rules to help them win points because it's not "fair" that people try to avoid them is just really silly when you think about it.  ......................... vet wv pvp5 pvp3 pvp4 Posted Jan 7, 2012, 12:36 pm

*JeeTeeOh* Loose Cannons Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 1,796 Joined: Oct 18, 2010 JS said: *JeeTeeOh* said: I don't dislike the anonymous bit enough to have brought it up myself, but I do think it takes one important things from us: The opportunity to really get after the guy that's in front. I may not have a great chance of doing it, but I wanna try to take out the points leader (or anyone above me) because it helps my overall standing. Can't do that with the current system. Yes, the idea that the best racers/players in the game need rules to help them win points because it's not "fair" that people try to avoid them is just really silly when you think about it.  I agree. The more I think about it the more I believe the real issue is 'sniping'. And unfortunately I don't see a way to eliminate it. BUT.... It could be made less strategically effective. I propose a bonus system based on registration time. It would be in addition to, not a replacement for, the current system: Register within 10 minutes of start: No bonus 15 minutes: +1 point 20 minutes: +2 points more than 20 minutes: +3 points. If participants' names were no longer hidden and this system were in place, sniping would be far less common. People willing to "put themselves out there" for others to challenge would be rewarded, and competition would increase. Of this I'm certain. ......................... vet wv e2g marshal cont deathrceL1 sssc Posted Jan 7, 2012, 3:59 pm

Jake Nikodemus Garage Boyz Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: Sep 12, 2009 *JeeTeeOh* said: JS said: *JeeTeeOh* said: I don't dislike the anonymous bit enough to have brought it up myself, but I do think it takes one important things from us: The opportunity to really get after the guy that's in front. I may not have a great chance of doing it, but I wanna try to take out the points leader (or anyone above me) because it helps my overall standing. Can't do that with the current system. Yes, the idea that the best racers/players in the game need rules to help them win points because it's not "fair" that people try to avoid them is just really silly when you think about it.  I agree. The more I think about it the more I believe the real issue is 'sniping'. And unfortunately I don't see a way to eliminate it. BUT.... It could be made less strategically effective. I propose a bonus system based on registration time. It would be in addition to, not a replacement for, the current system: Register within 10 minutes of start: No bonus 15 minutes: +1 point 20 minutes: +2 points more than 20 minutes: +3 points. If participants' names were no longer hidden and this system were in place, sniping would be far less common. People willing to "put themselves out there" for others to challenge would be rewarded, and competition would increase. Of this I'm certain. Wow, that is brilliant. -Jake ......................... vet wv Posted Jan 7, 2012, 6:13 pm

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,659 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 What do I do for the 20 minutes waiting for my match? Alot of us don't have the time to stare at the computer for 20 minutes and wait. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jan 7, 2012, 7:14 pm

Juris Hessians Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 16, 2010 Just because you are signed up for an event doesn't prevent you from doing other events. You could sign up, solo scout, call TO, do event, finish scout. Great idea JTO but probably only 1 bonus point for early sign up and only if another human joins. ......................... vet wv pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 race1 zom pvp2 deathrce1 pvp3 combat1 Posted Jan 7, 2012, 7:38 pm

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