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Shanty : what can it be now we have open PVP again

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 I started a discussion concerning shantyvilles future thought it deserved its on thread. *Grograt* said: but it was opened to counter the lack of PVP due to un used camp wars system, we now have PVP rolled back with a better looking system so shantys conception has been negated. With no npc market and no player support ( i myself and a good few others have pulled out of shanty ) it will be as under used if not more so than Elms, it also imo needs a niche of its own, the RP idea behind shanty is very sound maybe we could broaden the towns gypsy leanings ? *Ayjona* said: Yes, I'm all for broadening its concept, and giving it a conceptual niche. Good idea, with the gypsy tone. But it has a lot of value as another Darkwind settlement as well, in-canon- and story-wise, even if not expanded. As for Elms, it is my favourite Darkwind city, and during my active periods, I regularily scout from it. Evan is still a rather small open world simulation. While a 100 000+ star systems gaming universe might not make the players cheer with joy if another system is added, so far, every new village in Darkwind makes a difference. *sam* said: I'm open to suggestions for shantyville's future! Marrkos said: Could it be used to test market restrictions, i.e. item X is only available in Shanty so players have to either get there to buy it, or rely on other players to ship it North? Don't know what 'item X' would be.....maybe a Gatling Gun that's been modified to be a Medium Gatling Gun, or something else that wouldn't require the RP to involve the complete manufacture of the item. *Grograt* said: Agreed *Ayjona* we certainly love our new towns and shanty maps are great, just the lack of impetus to be there at present is a downer, i like marrkos idea of a special market place allowing for ' gypsy / rogue trader type one of equipment as in the MGG ( also a great way to introduce new weapons and check for game balance if only a few are releasd ) but of course a system ( fair ) of obtaining these items would need to be put in place, just camping a member in town and scanning the market every five seconds, shouldn't allow for the purchase of these items ( what ever they may be ) Tell you what ill open another thread eh  and quote what we have already ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Nov 6, 2009, 3:22 pm Last edited Nov 6, 2009, 3:23 pm by *Grograt*

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 *Grograt* said: but of course a system ( fair ) of obtaining these items would need to be put in place What if it were a matter of taking the original item in, giving it to the NPCs, and some amount of time later getting the new item back? Variations on that could be that the new item requires the original plus car parts, scrap, plastics, whatever, or 2 of the original make one of the new. I'm not sure I'm overly-enthused about this particular idea, actually.  I can foresee a lot of camp owners being upset that a squatters' town can make stuff the camps can't. ......................... vet wv community Posted Nov 6, 2009, 4:21 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Squatters town i like it lol, maybe we should stay away from a production system then. Off course the idea of shanty creating new weapon types would be dependent on whether sam wants more to be introduced into the game ( sam ? ) do we think shanty now needs an NPC market to some degree, or would we want the market to still be player driven only, if the latter then shanty needs another incentive apart from scouting, some way to sell on or use the loot thats is gained there, FL has the gladiator combats and major piracy ( supposedly ) If shanty is barter town in essence then how about a thunder dome, betting, pink slip racing, mutant town even, well im sure the mutes would have their own township by now in some form, nothing better than a ramshackle assortment of buildings that have been reclaimed from the wastes, oh yeh thats exactly what shanty looks like eh so could shanty be the capital of mutant activity, with their corresponding trade caravans , gangs et all ? All i can think about now is strontium dog and 2000 ad from the 70's lol ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Nov 6, 2009, 4:30 pm Last edited Nov 6, 2009, 4:34 pm by *Grograt*

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 i think it should be a place for the almost mystical mechs... ableto repair anything for a fee including permadamage... but it should be REALLY dangerous... both PVP and very tough PVE ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 4:42 pm

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Able to repair perma-damage? No thanks. ......................... vet wv community Posted Nov 6, 2009, 4:46 pm

Fealty Lost Slaughterhouse: Bloody Remains Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 1,261 Joined: Jan 6, 2009 Why not make it a "Road Warrior" camp producing fuel? Gives EVERYONE a reason to trade/attack/defend the place 24/7. Unless it's decided they built the place on the site of an abandoned military weapons-testing lab or something, I dunno about the weird weaponry thing. Or, this could be an opportunity to introduce 'custom' devices, like frame-straigheners, alignment machines...and their reverse-engineering, that would allow the place to start producing same? ...eventually? I'll probably never get there, but I think those that put in the time and effort to start new towns/camps should be doing so because of [[ for RP reasons ]] newly discovered caches of equipment/weaponry/resources...as should those who already own camps. I mean, why would you waste time and effort to just set something up in the middle of nowhere, unless it had access to SOMETHING that made you want to risk your life to do so? .02 [[ but worth SO much more ]] ......................... vet wv Posted Nov 6, 2009, 4:58 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Marrkos said: Able to repair perma-damage?  No thanks. you are the rudest person in this game Markkos.. just try being polite for once in your life you snarkly little toerag. And yes.. make it able to repair perma damage.. make it really hard to get inn or out alive but make it a place where IF you can get your renowned buzzer there the mechs can work miracles. Make it able to customise weapons.. strengthern chassis, all sorts of stuff but make it expensive and dangerous.. also make it have a possibility that you will be ripped off! It would be fun. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 5:03 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Or we could just have it change position with BL, so you would have a deadzone right in the middle of the map (Would perhaps kick its market of to, since it would get heavier traffic) ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 5:12 pm Last edited Nov 6, 2009, 5:13 pm by FireFly

Fealty Lost Slaughterhouse: Bloody Remains Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Subscribers Posts: 1,261 Joined: Jan 6, 2009 I agree Goat'...I mean, story-wise and RP wise...how many new-car dealerships were there in the world? How many had FULL body shops? Wouldn't all the equipment to repair chassis/frames, etc., be buried there? Perhaps Shanty' was built on top of the ruins of one of these places that managed to remain intact...by sliding underground from the resulting earthquake that shook the area? This would have allowed the equipment to remain in good working order until someone stumbled upon it...maybe because they drove over it and a sink-hole opened up, swallowing the first vehicle? Anyway...again, camps should have 'special' abilities [[ even retroactive ]] because, why else build one there? I dunno about ripping people off; remember what happened when some of you bought a bridge? ......................... vet wv Posted Nov 6, 2009, 5:13 pm

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 goat starer said: Marrkos said: Able to repair perma-damage?  No thanks. you are the rudest person in this game Markkos.. just try being polite for once in your life you snarkly little toerag. The irony is quite thick.  goat starer said: And yes.. make it able to repair perma damage.. I don't think there should be any way to reverse perma-damage, just like I don't think there should be a way to reverse perma-death. goat starer said: make it really hard to get inn or out alive but make it a place where IF you can get your renowned buzzer there the mechs can work miracles. Make it able to customise weapons.. strengthern chassis, all sorts of stuff but make it expensive and dangerous.. also make it have a possibility that you will be ripped off! It would be fun. I'm sure it would be a lot of fun, but that doesn't make me want to see perma-damage...not permanent. ......................... vet wv community Posted Nov 6, 2009, 5:16 pm Last edited Nov 6, 2009, 5:17 pm by Marrkos

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 I think it needs a lot more than just being a repair centre for perma damaged equipment ( and to be honest im not sure i like the idea of negating perma ) moving shanty would be too much of an upheaval to the game world imo, giving shanty a unique slant is what is required, its a low down scum area so im not sure about the buried super GM motors centre either lol. ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Nov 6, 2009, 5:17 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Grograt* said: I think it needs a lot more than just being a repair centre for perma damaged equipment ( and to be honest im not sure i like the idea of negating perma ) moving shanty would be too much of an upheaval to the game world imo, giving shanty a unique slant is what is required, its a low down scum area so im not sure about the buried super GM motors centre either lol. gro.. i'm not talking about shiny factories.. i am talking about the quasi mystic dudes who live in a mad out of the way place and tinker with technology. vehicles that came out of here would not be pristine ... they would be different.. stronger, lots of jerry build but effective things. Its pure post apoc (unlike say sars or texan - which dont have anything very postapocalyptic about them at all) Marrkos said: The irony is quite thick.  rather like you then. As demonstrated by.... Marrkos said: I don't think there should be any way to reverse perma-damage, just like I don't think there should be a way to reverse perma-death. these are 2 quite different issues.. we cant raise the dead.. but there is no reason on earth why you cant get a vehicle back to a near mint condition.. Terry Pratchett got this right talking about family heirloom wepons... over the years you replace the hilt, the handle, the blade but the weapon is still the same one.. In the worst cases you would simply use a new chassis (although why would you need to when the existing one is 93% good). Marrkos said: I'm sure it would be a lot of fun, but that doesn't make me want to see perma-damage...not permanent. you dont like fun do you sweetie? Most of us play for fun. You seem to play to make snarky one line unexplained attacks on people in the forums. Its getting really old. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 5:37 pm Last edited Nov 6, 2009, 5:40 pm by goat starer

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,671 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 For the danger of the town - PVP encounters are non-cr balancing. Hey, its rough here, if your gonna run your muscle car courier thru here, you just may encounter 3 buzzers and and apache scouting... ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 5:52 pm

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Longo said: For the danger of the town -  PVP encounters are non-cr balancing. Hey, its rough here, if your gonna run your muscle car courier thru here, you just may encounter 3 buzzers and and apache scouting...  Do you think that would create an entry barrier that would be so high (people afraid to risk it) it would cause Shanty to remain under-utilized? ......................... vet wv community Posted Nov 6, 2009, 6:10 pm

*jimmylogan* MADHAT Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 5,605 Joined: Jun 11, 2008 With a choice of uneven CR that you can bounty out of versus the Maze and longer travel? Yeah, I'd chance it. :-) ......................... vet marshal deathrceL1 wv community combatL1 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 6:14 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Marrkos said: Longo said: For the danger of the town -  PVP encounters are non-cr balancing. Hey, its rough here, if your gonna run your muscle car courier thru here, you just may encounter 3 buzzers and and apache scouting...  Do you think that would create an entry barrier that would be so high (people afraid to risk it) it would cause Shanty to remain under-utilized? not if the benefit was large enough ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 6:55 pm

simonmaxhill Drive Backwards BFFs Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Storytellers Posts: 1,503 Joined: Mar 10, 2008 I'd be into this, sort of a "town unlimited!" type of situation. Maybe set up a very lucrative trading route through Shanty to Texan? Motivate people to go through that way instead of through Sars? And do away with NPC Cr balancing through that route as well? ......................... vet wv Posted Nov 6, 2009, 6:57 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Yep I would agree with Jimmy's point, maybe a larger percentage in CR balancing allowed rather than no balance at all. I still scout out of Shanty, because I like the fact that every box of ammo, weapon and tyre means something other than cash in the bank. I also do it so that I can try and keep the piracy levels down at least a little bit for my convoys passing through (the Texan-Shanty-Bl legs are definitely the most dangerous IMO). From my viewpoint the thing that spoils to some degree the Shanty experience is the requirement to use money for repairs and fuel etc. I would love to see Shanty used to experiment with a pure barter system - no money at all. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 7:29 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Ninesticks* said: I still scout out of Shanty, because I like the fact that every box of ammo, weapon and tyre means something other than cash in the bank. you see i hate to say it Nine but that is really easy to say when you have a billion squillion dollars in the bank... Would hate Shanty to turn into a billionaires playground where they can go slumming it with the plebs. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 7:50 pm

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Shanty should be what it is, no "shop", no extensive repairs, and switch place with badlands, its brilliant, EVERYONE has to go trough it to get anywhere, and thus, the market would be filled with new life, since people will truck trough there. Maybe go even further, have people "work" there, just like in a camp, to fix gear up ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Nov 6, 2009, 8:21 pm Last edited Nov 6, 2009, 8:21 pm by FireFly

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