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end camp wars experiment

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 darthspanky said: See you on the roads of Evan wait longo i think you said that wrong, yer supposse to say see ya on the road scag lol https://youtu.be/Sy4SuzhptcI Heh I used that line once and Goat edited it saying I said something sexist. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,98,31 Posted Oct 13, 2020, 10:57 pm

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 3, 2010 Oh Goat, that rascal... ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Oct 14, 2020, 1:13 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Jaqen Hagar said: Quote: Excuse me? You're suggesting I lie about the game? When I next see ash i'll get him to send me the messages where you told him no additions, maps or changes were possible to the game due to it being full, yet others were told different, I know of 2 players now that are playing around making maps. The game being 'full'. What does that even mean? The hard drive, the database maybe? Maybe its internet tubes are all clogged up. Either way, it's utter nonsense. You admitted that Ashlee is full of hot air, yet you're believing some heresay from him and using it as justification for calling me a liar? Idiot. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 8:17 am Last edited Oct 14, 2020, 8:17 am by *sam*

*StCrispin* Beasts of the Lair Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,657 Joined: Feb 13, 2012 Okay, RARELY am I the calm voice... but lets please refrain from PvD (Player vs Developer) combat. The last thing we want to do is make *Sam* so mad he quits or whjatever. I've seen it happen before when we all threw such Hissy Fits that he was like "whatever, i'll make Goblin Jump n Run instead" (I make fun of it but Emily thought it was really cool, Sam. I mean nothing negative by making fun of it!) I agree with Goat, (wonders never cease) in that we never agree on anything. IMO its why the game doesnt get worked on much. Because any change or addition upsets as many people as it makes happy and they we all fight. Or we cant agree what we want so *Sam* has no clear concept of what to give us. LASTLY, to *Sam* himself; Please don't get too upset with us. We are all a bunch of idiots who get along as well as a bunch of toddlers fighting over the last 'nana ......................... vet wv gwped paintladder paintball marshal raceL10,1,0 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 9:40 am

Jaqen Hagar Jack In A Car Sunday Driver Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: May 6, 2015 [quote]The game being 'full'. What does that even mean? The hard drive, the database maybe?[/quote] I don't know, you sent the message, If I can recall correctly without reading it over his shoulder again you were talking about the torque 3d engine being out of space so nothing could be added. I can understand why, he's a grade A asshole online and easier to fob him off than bang your head against a wall. [quote]You admitted that Ashlee is full of hot air, yet you're believing some heresay from him and using it as justification for calling me a liar? Idiot.[/quote] He is full of hot air, again though, he didn't write the PM to himself. ......................... wv vet sssc0,1,0 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 9:54 am Last edited Oct 14, 2020, 9:55 am by Jaqen Hagar

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,781 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Jaqen Hagar said: the torque 3d engine being out of space so nothing could be added. LOL. I'd suggest you either understand what I said, or else post it directly, rather than make vague statements which make no sense based on your vague understanding of what someone else's vague understanding was. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 10:12 am Last edited Oct 14, 2020, 10:13 am by *sam*

Jaqen Hagar Jack In A Car Sunday Driver Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: May 6, 2015 I said I would the next time I talked to him. ......................... wv vet sssc0,1,0 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 10:40 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 LASTLY, to *Sam* himself; Please don't get too upset with us. We are all a bunch of idiots who get along as well as a bunch of toddlers fighting over the last 'nana[/quote] wait crispy not all of us be idgets i haz da smartz ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 3:27 pm Last edited Oct 14, 2020, 3:28 pm by darthspanky

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Jaqen Hagar said: Quote: Ashlee is hot air. I agree, his mouth writes cheques he can't cash, it's not him that wrote the messages though so, again, irrelevant. are you sure? ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 8:34 pm

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Joel Autobaun said: Heh I used that line once and Goat edited it saying I said something sexist. I said you said something SEXY. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 8:36 pm

Bigbadgreen86 Rabid Groundhogs Sunday Driver Mutants Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 47 Joined: Oct 3, 2015 *Longo* said: Jaqen Hagar said: Quote: It seems pretty obvious this game has gotten too big or too complex for one man to tackle. I don't think this is true, adding camp wars and the swift changes to keep existing power user revenue from being threatened show changes can be made and made rapidly, despite lies told to certain players that changes/additions couldn't be done for years. He got bored and moved on to other projects until cajoled by family, you can see this in the wildly different projects he's done since, it's apathy more than complexity. It's a pity a real dev studio didn't pick up the idea as it really did have the potential to be a niche game with a far bigger playerbase, as it is it takes a real masochist to persist in the face of so many quirks shall we say. it was never on the cards with a one man comp sci dev team though. Ok, so you mouthed off to me earlier in this post, and have done nothing but berate the game, the developer, and the players who have been the base of the player community. What do you want? To be able to instantly be elite and be able to steal a camp in one attack? Or kill a 400 skill player that has trained for years just because it would make you happy? Ive been playing for almost 14 years.....goat, darth, several others also. Of course we are going to be good at the game. Most of us have taken long breaks from the game also and had to basically rebuild our gangs. You know why? Because we find  Darkwind FUN, the way it is. The game is 14 years old and still ticking. That in itself is impressive. We enjoy logging in, chatting with old friends in the community, and adding to the games content and stressing over epic battles. If YOU do not find this game fun, what do you want? The game was been in its complete form for years. It has bugs. So dont games that cost ALOT more. I cant win at XCOM because it keeps crashing on me for instance. Fallout 4 had a bug I couldnt get around, and had to research using the console option to skip me past the bug... Nothing is perfect man! I am around a fair amount, and am always available to offer advice or take a newer or weaker player out on a scout. You are a weaker player, so this applies to you. I offer these same options to everyone, even if  I dont like you, and again, this applies to you. If you want to slug it out, my flag is always on and you know what town events I compete in. I would not suggest rejoining camp wars, because honestly you need significant improvement in this area and would just waste everyone's time. The SCL league could offer you some training in Pvp, use this as a training area and learning environment. See you on the roads of Evan, if you dare! Longo, of The Kingdom of Longo, Gateway Truckstop, Evan. Couldn't agree more. ......................... vet wv paintball ped1 paintladder pvp5 northernsummer gwped combatL1 ped2 e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 race1 circuit2 triangle1 circuit1 Posted Oct 14, 2020, 9:56 pm

Iron Wraith Iron Wraiths Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: Feb 2, 2009 If the inflammatory posters could please take it down a couple of notches, I'd appreciate it. If when replying to a post you could confine yourself to replying to what was actually written rather than your assumption of what the person was really trying to say, we might make more progress. If you could restrict yourselves to verifiable and evidenced facts when pointing out "errors" in the game the developer might be in a position (and inclination) to investigate them.  Please have the courtesy to assume that the developer is in a position to intimately know the design of his software.  In Sam's case as sole developer he is actually in a better position that if a software house had picked it up as he will have made the changes personally rather than hand a design down to someone else to implement (who may have varied the design from the spec for whatever reason) Please understand that the complexity of software is such that it is never 100% bug free.  No testing regime will eliminate all bugs.  No amount of investment will do so.  I work on military systems (for which most of the graphical interfaces are far less sophisticated than we see in games) that have been in development support for decades and for which the government has paid billions.  We still regularly find bugs.  This is generally because the user community is more interested in new features than in maintenance.  As a developer it is far more interesting (and therefore rewarding) to look at new stuff than to trawl through code trying to fix a bug that has been in place years and that people have got used to. If you perceive there is an issue in the way the game is implemented, as part of the user community (whether you subscribe or not) you are generously invited to offer suggestions.  Do not mistake that for a right to influence the development. Your subscription pays for the game as is (with the extra features that brings), it is not a payment for a support contract that gives you a right to change the game to something else. Many of you have been playing this game for years (I have been playing for about a decade on and off).  You are not in fact toddlers.  Please conduct yourselves in a manner that befits persons of your doubtless advanced years and, where relevant, the elders of the community you represent as either part of the council and/or as marshals. ......................... vet wv raceL1 deathrceL1 Posted Oct 15, 2020, 7:42 am Last edited Oct 15, 2020, 7:43 am by Iron Wraith

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Iron Wraith said: Many of you have been playing this game for years (I have been playing for about a decade on and off).  You are not in fact toddlers.  Please conduct yourselves in a manner that befits persons of your doubtless advanced years and, where relevant, the elders of the community you represent as either part of the council and/or as marshals. Hey Dad, maybe you and Mom need to take a weekend getaway or something... or maybe you should get a case of beer and invite some of your poker buddies over Friday night... just saying.... ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Oct 15, 2020, 7:20 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 so just a brief recap of what happened since i made this post, i made a butload of money selling water like i said i would, what i do with the money? well good question i bought up all the sponsorships, bought land for grelnin to build a camp, paid a mil to anyone that killede of of their gangers, built a camp in morgan and applied the sponsorships to them, got tierd of seeing xman get smoked to his home hex so got back into camp wars. big mistake, it threatened the 2 large camps that were dominating camp wars, so what dooes sam do, he nerfs the price of water from 600 a can to 100 a can, takes away the trucing ability thats been in the game like forever. with no proir notificationj to anyone of those changes that were made. why would sam do this? not really sure maybe hes those players lapdog, because when they complain evil darth is makling headways and giving them a good run in camp wars, he nerfs me and my playstyle whats the point of even trying in this game i once loved so much. ill most likly close my camp to camp wars, like goaat did, he understands but cant respond anymore in forums because hes censored by sam and gets his posts removed, and have fun scouting against computer and with others scouting, i gave or sold them alot of the stuff i was making at those camps, helping to build up their gangers and gear. be more fun to just watch xman get smoiked to his last hex again in a few weeks then longo/joel can crush out firedragons, longo will get all grimms territory now that hes banned from the game, he ck can even take all of morgan while yer at it, then 4 to 6 players can never fight each other and just collect everything, and we can wait for them to proclaim themselves the greatest playerrs in evan, because they certainly wont stand for anyone threatening them, they get their lapdog sam to get out the nerfing gun and attack their competition, so have fun playing this game. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Aug 1, 2021, 10:31 pm Last edited Aug 2, 2021, 1:31 am by darthspanky

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 3, 2010 I'm curious about this trucing nerf, can anyone elaborate? ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Aug 2, 2021, 1:39 am

Smooch Prong Sunday Driver Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: Dec 16, 2020 *Rev. V* said: I'm curious about this trucing nerf, can anyone elaborate? From what I can tell, Darth can’t truce with gangs that he has high reputation with.  I have not seen it myself.  My trips are all one or two vehicles, or during scouts that I don’t want to fight.  But I have not failed a truce.  Darth has said he is failing many truces. My theory is the truce nerf is specific to him, or it is triggered by the number of vehicles or types of vehicles.  We have no info besides a discord comment made by Sam about lowering the effectiveness of trucing.  You can read the conversation on discord in the SS channel ......................... vet wv gwextrav paintladder pvp5 gateautumn ped1 triangle1 pvp40,5,0 Posted Aug 2, 2021, 3:29 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 yeah it wasnt a problem when i made this post back when i made it, but since fireflys not here to do sponsorship wars spending millions each, it then became a problem because poor joel felt threatened that i spent money to buy them all to even have a chance as were very outnumbered in the cr matchups. the games beyond broken and im not playing this ####show camp wars crap anymore. last truce that failed i useded 2 cars a buzzer and lorry got mo maps that suposedly lorrys cant travel on on a gang im honored with. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Aug 2, 2021, 3:29 am Last edited Aug 2, 2021, 3:34 am by darthspanky

*Rev. V* Cestus Dei Darkwind Guru Civs Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 3,208 Joined: Aug 3, 2010 Well, I don't do the discord thing... But not being able to truce with gangs you have high standing with seems crappy. What's the point of allying with a faction then? ......................... vet wv zom marshal paintladder cont Posted Aug 2, 2021, 3:53 am

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 darthspanky said: so just a brief recap of what happened since i made this post, i made a butload of money selling water like i said i would, what i do with the money? well good question i bought up all the sponsorships, bought land for grelnin to build a camp, paid a mil to anyone that killede of of their gangers, built a camp in morgan and applied the sponsorships to them, got tierd of seeing xman get smoked to his home hex so got back into camp wars. big mistake, it threatened the 2 large camps that were dominating camp wars, so what dooes sam do, he nerfs the price of water from 600 a can to 100 a can, takes away the trucing ability thats been in the game like forever. with no proir notificationj to anyone of those changes that were made. So what you did over the past 3 game years was use a travel exploit, that Sam had already declared wrong and patched once, by realizing that the patch didnt cover the Firelight area. Specifically what you did was took up the Anarchist faction, kept good standing with them, then produced a ton of water in your FL camp. You then loaded this water up regularly into squads of 20 unarmed AND unarmored lorries (Yes 0 armor on all sides and 0 weapons), and transported this water to Firelight. Because you realized this loophole in Sam's patch, you were able to move this water and TRUCE 100% OF YOUR ENCOUNTERS, and sell this water for many times over $500 a can. A rough estimate of how much each of your lorries carried would be 360 cans per lorry multiplied by 20 lorries, at $500 a can. SO each squad you did this with you made around  $3,600,000, and you ran multiple squads per day doing this. SO, YOU FOUGHT ZERO encounters and made $3.6 MILLION PER DAY, PER SQUAD. A rough estimate of what you made would be between $500 millions and 1 billion DW dollars. How do I know this? Because the last 3 game years alone, you forked out $500 million taking 12 of 15 sponsorships. Then you bought Smooch's camp plot and Grelin's camp plot, which was another $53 million. And what effort did this take you? Processing squads with 100% trucing. An EXPLOIT that Sam thought he fixed! Rather than post this in the Bugs forums, you chose to use this EXPLOIT to make a TON OF MONEY! How do you justify using this EXPLOIT? darthspanky said: what i do with the money? well good question i bought up all the sponsorships, bought land for grelnin to build a camp, paid a mil to anyone that killede of of their gangers, built a camp in morgan and applied the sponsorships to them, got tierd of seeing xman get smoked to his home hex so got back into camp wars. SO, you needed to cheat in order to try and even the odds in Camp wars. Apparently Xman, Grelin, Smooch, Shawnfiredragon, Wuulf, Shonuff, Goat and Ninesticks needed more help to beat Joel and I (I left out our allies PA, Tez, and FF because they have gone to being pretty casual players nowadays) ? So it justifies cheating apparently? I didnt include you in the list because the 2 times you joined battles you literally got your a$$ handed to you, even using your Uber gangers and elite machinery. darthspanky said: big mistake, it threatened the 2 large camps that were dominating camp wars, so what dooes sam do, he nerfs the price of water from 600 a can to 100 a can, takes away the trucing ability thats been in the game like forever. with no proir notificationj to anyone of those changes that were made. why would sam do this? not really sure maybe hes those players lapdog, because when they complain evil darth is makling headways and giving them a good run in camp wars, he nerfs me and my playstyle whats the point of even trying in this game i once loved so much. Sam apparently fixed the EXPLOIT and didnt tell you, who was EXPLOITING THE GAME and making millions? REALLY DUDE? So now, by looking at your events history, you can only TRUCE 90% of the time and you are upset? YOUR UPSET because alot of players are mad YOU EXPLOITED THIS GAME and KEPT SPONSORSHIPS FROM OTHER PLAYERS. IM MAD BECAUSE YOU HAVENT BEEN BANNED FOR THIS ACT OR SEVERELY PUNISHED! You have been playing this game almost 15 years, YOU KNOW BETTER! Some players in the community look up to you! And the example you set as a vet player is that its ok to EXPLOIT the game. darthspanky said: be more fun to just watch xman get smoiked to his last hex again in a few weeks then longo/joel can crush out firedragons Shawn has reaped the rewards of Camp Wars and fought exactly....yes you guessed it...ZERO battles. He was an"ally" but after we took out Wuulf for constantly moving his and Grimm's border (and fighting against us), and decided after we conquered Wuulf's land that he could walk in and claim it, he became not an ally, but more a unruly neighbor. You yourself darth coined the term "hugging" referencing Shawn being friendly to everyone, reaping teh rewards and fighting 0 battles. I would have thought you would have appreciated the call to him to "fight or go home." darthspanky said: yeah it wasnt a problem when i made this post back when i made it, but since fireflys not here to do sponsorship wars spending millions each, it then became a problem because poor joel felt threatened that i spent money to buy them all to even have a chance as were very outnumbered in the cr matchups. the games beyond broken and im not playing this ####show camp wars crap anymore. Your very outnumbered? How so? Im fighting every round just to keep the CR I have, and fighting from 3 sides, yet you are outnumbered CR wise? Are you kidding me? Im splitting my CR to the North vs Shawn, South vs Xman, and West vs Smooch. And you cant gather enough CR to fight me? Its bad management if thats the case. You need to be severally punished for your actions. I dont care about your feelings. Your a grown man, and this is a game.   ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Aug 3, 2021, 1:40 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 i never hid what i was doing, 3rd post in this thread i said i was making good cash, im glad you dissaproove and it got you all worked up, i dont give a #### what you or any other player thinks. this game is beyond broken and sam never fixes ####, he knew i was making alot of cash way before. dont worry tho camps are closing, now you and joel can take all of evan i dont care, ill never have any respect for you and joel, why dont you exploit camp wars more while yer at it, like you did in past. chearting and controlling others cars, your no innocent yourself. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,1 Posted Aug 3, 2021, 4:20 am

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