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musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 Boonwolf said: fixing AI tracking on some of the newer tracks actually thats up to us, if i understand correctly... the ai in this game learns from what human players do on the tracks (and other maps), implemented as a "cost" for each location on the map, that the ai sees and drives based on (i.e. take the lowest cost route) iirc... very clever really, but the point is that the more *we* drive a track, the better the ai gets, it's not something for sam to do... ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted May 1, 2013, 2:29 am

*Boonwolf* Finger 3 Darkwind Guru Morgan Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 1,139 Joined: Mar 7, 2012 I do know we help guide AI but I have never ever seen a humans drive in circles at the start gate (TX track) or go full turn right side left and left side right like in (FL track). How many times do we have to drive a track or map befor AI figures out you don't just drive over the cliff and fall to there death to get to there target(bridge out map, and FL track)? ......................... vet wv paintball paintladder ped1 race1 semiprocombat zom marshal pvp20,5,0 Posted May 1, 2013, 2:57 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 musashi_san said: Boonwolf said: fixing AI tracking on some of the newer tracks actually thats up to us, if i understand correctly... the ai in this game learns from what human players do on the tracks (and other maps), implemented as a "cost" for each location on the map, that the ai sees and drives based on (i.e. take the lowest cost route) iirc... very clever really, but the point is that the more *we* drive a track, the better the ai gets, it's not something for sam to do... yeah, that is right. Take Texan Rally as an example, it would seem that someone likes to take a race line to jump the first hairpin (a designed shortcut) resulting in the AI wanting to take that path and making for chaos going through that turn. The AI never took this path when the track was first implemented, they followed the main racing line, but over time they have adjusted to this kamikaze line. I'll do 5 races there in a day taking the main racing line and the AI seem to change to this line (it is actually a bit faster in most cars). Getting the initial path to take a good racing line is optimal but not always possible. Especially for longer tracks where points are limited. What tracks are poor in peoples opinion? ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted May 1, 2013, 3:05 am Last edited May 1, 2013, 3:06 am by *Bastille*

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 going over a cliff, etc, i think are because the ai only sees so many "moves" ahead, and can follow what seems a reasonable path only to find itself in an untenable postition... the rest sam would have to speak to, but note that you do not mention more commonly driven tracks, so, given what we know, i can only assume that driving more there would improve the situation... and yeah, the texan track totally rocks, there should be a faster pussy cat or rocktacular there... ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted May 1, 2013, 3:07 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Boonwolf said: I do know we help guide AI but I have never ever seen a humans drive in circles at the start gate (TX track) or go full turn right side left and left side right like in (FL track). How many times do we have to drive a track or map befor AI figures out you don't just drive over the cliff and fall to there death to get to there target(bridge out map, and FL track)? This random crazy stuff is most welcome imo. The AI will hold back if you hold back, a car will circle to try stay slower when  people do the real boring; sit at the back thing, in DRs. They will try block your line, crash into you, be an obstacle on the track. All this is great. Point is, its somewhat unpredictable and makes players have big smash! yay!. Occasionally though there are some issues with racing line. The Dunes is a bit of a mess, lots of race lines here. Elms Lake sometimes has issue. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted May 1, 2013, 3:14 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 and yeah, thats a good idea. Special event in Texan. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted May 1, 2013, 3:15 am

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 just getting around it alive without getting shot at is challenging enough... i know, box vans! you puttin up the cash, bast? hasnt' been a good one since the one in buzzers iirc (mostly because i couldnt make the one in, what was it, lorries?) ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted May 1, 2013, 3:19 am

musashi_san sunset samurai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,118 Joined: May 7, 2012 *Bastille* said: Elms Lake sometimes has issue. thats putting it mildly, try eatons on that track some time. did one where i was at the back and they basically parted like the red sea in front of me, and either crashed left or right, right out of the gate, i just drove right through. never seen anything like it, before or since... ......................... vet wv pvp4 pvp2 pvp1 Posted May 1, 2013, 3:22 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 yeah, it doesn't happen a lot, but when it does... As for special Events... The Goat Starer one is the person to talk to about such Special Circumstances. Rumour would have it that an extra large order of extra large v8s was made. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted May 1, 2013, 3:53 am

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 "That being said, as usual, the way you say things seems designed to provoke people. luckily i am largely unprovokable, at least in this context, but do you really need to be so adversarial *all* the time? give it rest once in a while, man.." Not "designed" to provoke people, Musashi-san, but rather to cut through the b.s. and get to the crux of the matter. If that comes off as provocation, that's just the way I am. I don't see the need for sugar coating in a forum largely populated by adults. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted May 2, 2013, 12:45 am

*Snipe* Renshai Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 581 Joined: Aug 31, 2009 Blackwill said: Not "designed" to provoke people, Musashi-san, but rather to cut through the b.s. and get to the crux of the matter.  If that comes off as provocation, that's just the way I am.  I don't see the need for sugar coating in a forum largely populated by adults. Hear, hear.....down with thin skin. ......................... vet wv gateautumn sssc santa1 raceL1 deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom combatL1 pvp52,6,2 Posted May 2, 2013, 12:47 am

Necrotech Vendetta Inc. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,872 Joined: Jul 18, 2011 However your use or lack thereof of tact and diplomacy turns people off from whatever point you are attempting to make. Your intended message maybe solid, however a delivery in a hostile or combative manner will only turn people away from the positive aspects, with your intended audience focusing only on the negative tone. ......................... vet wv santa1 deathrceL1 pvp4 gwped raceL1 combatL1 paintladder pvp3 ped2 pvp5 semiprocombat circuit2 pvp1 pvp2 slay2013 gwextrav triangle1 Posted May 2, 2013, 1:39 am

Blackwill Shankill Butchers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 650 Joined: Jul 27, 2012 Am I really getting a lecture in Forum Etiquette from Necrotech?? It seems my point was understood, and taken, by the majority of the "audience". I see no need to dumb down my rhetoric for mass consumption. You take it, or you leave it. The choice is yours. Back to the topic. ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 Posted May 2, 2013, 3:00 am

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