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Dr Mathias Wasteland Extravaganza Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors + IP Posts: 1,418 Joined: Oct 9, 2007 *Chase Bansi* said: As far as engine tuners in stock events it is a bad, BAD, idea. Although it would give the spec a use (I have one that has never been used) it would seriously alter competing in league events. Someone would dominate every event they enter. It wouldn't be long before we hear the calls for a nerf, so lets not even go there. I think modifying stock cars at all was a bad, BAD, idea. I was following a logical conclusion and looking for consistency. If you can tweak chassis stuff, why not replace sparkplugs, adjust the timing belt, and switch filters? Would a referee be standing near by saying "Go ahead and switch the armor... yes sir those shocks are a little stiff, go ahead and replace them... remember that you can up the psi... a little welding here too should should do the trick. No, no you can't raise the hood, that's against our rules." This game is becoming very homogenized anyway. So what if I have a level 3 engine tuner. I get to use my jumpstarter in all events, should we take that out of stock events too, has that been unfair to those who don't have it?  As usual I look at it from a logic/realism/story perspective. I don't always consider gameplay/homogenization of the playing field. ......................... vet combat1 ped1 wv cont Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:09 pm

*Chase Bansi* Team Bansi Darkwind Guru Merchants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 693 Joined: Aug 12, 2007 I would have to agree with you that it is 'logical'. I know I sure could use the help in league events. I suppose my thought is to keep it so new players still have a chance in league. As you allude to with driver skills that is already slanted in the vets favor. Perhaps events for noobs and vets are impossible to balance. ......................... marshal vet gateautumn wv e2g0,1,0 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:37 pm

*Lugal* Luna Sea Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 2,246 Joined: Jan 27, 2008 Foul, don't insult me simply because I don't want this to become the standard WoW patch-day whine fest. Your hystrionics are unbecoming. If anyone has criticism of a patch, it needs to be addressed appropriately. Simply posting, "FAIL" does not help at all. Really. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:40 pm Last edited Feb 26, 2009, 5:41 pm by Lugal

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 Quote: If anyone has criticism of a patch, it needs to be addressed appropriately. Simply posting, "FAIL" does not help at all. Really. I feel like we have discussed these specific things to death in the appropriate threads and there's not much more I have to say really because I already feel like a broken record on the subject. Quote: Foul, don't insult me simply because I don't want this to become the standard WoW patch-day whine fest. If that was an insult then I think it was one of the more pathetic ones I've seen (With no offense to Lord Foul) and you people are beyond the usual touchy and carebear here and are headed off to nazi territori here... (I don't mean offense by this either, but I know you will be offended and I don't care, it needs to be said) ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:52 pm

Marrkos 88 MPH Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 3,711 Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Alocalypse said: you people are beyond the usual touchy and carebear here and are headed off to nazi territori here Does this count as a "Godwin"?  ......................... vet wv community Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:59 pm

*Lugal* Luna Sea Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 2,246 Joined: Jan 27, 2008 Alocalypse said: If that was an insult then I think it was one of the more pathetic ones I've seen (With no offense to Lord Foul) and you people are beyond the usual touchy and carebear here and are headed off to nazi territori here... (I don't mean offense by this either, but I know you will be offended and I don't care, it needs to be said) I was going to say that I wasn't really insulted, more annoyed, but now I have to say that I'm simply confused. You, LF, and I were on the same side, arguing against PT.  Both sides "discussed these specific things to death" as you say, and - imagine this - we came to an agreement. For this I - as well as whomever else "you people" refers to - get labeled "touchy and carebear"?  Where did that come from?  I don't even want to know from what stinky orafice you pulled out that Nazi reference, or even what you intended it for. Maybe you don't understand that the point of debate is to resolve a disagreement.  It's really not to hear yourself speak (so to speak) and childishly taunt "the other guy." So now both you worked yourselves up into a foaming-at-the mouth-frenzy, and I'm sitting here wondering why.  We sat at the same side, "won" the argument, and what?  You can't handle it so you mock me?  But please, don't think I'm actually upset.  Bewildered and slightly bemused, though. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Feb 26, 2009, 6:12 pm

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 Marrkos said: Alocalypse said: you people are beyond the usual touchy and carebear here and are headed off to nazi territori here Does this count as a "Godwin"?  Oh it certainly does Markos , good call Godwin gets it right again ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 26, 2009, 6:37 pm

Dr Mathias Wasteland Extravaganza Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Contributors + IP Posts: 1,418 Joined: Oct 9, 2007 *Chase Bansi* said: I suppose my thought is to keep it so new players still have a chance in league. As you allude to with driver skills that is already slanted in the vets favor. Perhaps events for noobs and vets are impossible to balance. Agreed, its hard to even know how to accommodate people when new players and vets are in the same event. Maybe we should have two leagues, a minor and a pro. If a vet enrolls in a minor league event it drops their fame. Lets face it though, mmo's are not like chess. The playing field is never going to be level even though it would be best for everyone. ......................... vet combat1 ped1 wv cont Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:04 pm

Alocalypse Advanced Race Labs Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: May 6, 2007 To put it in more civil terms: I think it's silly when people explicitly state how they're insulted/offended by some usually harmless remark that probably seems more serious because we lack the type of people who will just cuss you out and threaten to kill your family and so on (in all caps). I don't like to have to tiptoe and wonder whenever some remark will be vilified as an insult and inappropriate conduct. In my opinion things are civil enough and I fear that it would hurt discussions if people were less confrontational and afraid to say certain things in fear of hurting someone's feelings. Quote: Does this count as a "Godwin"?  I protest that! I wasn't drawing a direct comparison to Hitler or nazis in that context, only using it in the sense of someone trying to apply overly and needlessly strict rules to something (like grammar nazi). ......................... vet deathrce1 raceL1 race1 combat1 northernsummer gateautumn elmsautumn deathrceL1 semiprocombat wv cont Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:21 pm Last edited Feb 26, 2009, 8:21 pm by Alocalypse

Kime Dennory Weasel Works Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: Aug 8, 2008 Dr Mathias said: As for respec, perhaps engine tuner should apply to any cars the gang drives, including stock track-owned cars. Seriously- if we can modify armor, tyre pressure, suspension, then why couldn't a mech tinker with what's under the hood? How about make it work, but make it, say, a third as effective as working on your own car (since he has less time to do it). I have seen the effects of engine tuning in three, count them three, races ever.  It was kind of neat though. And Alo: you make a nazi reference, you get godwinned.  Grammar nazi is a nazi reference.  It's, y'know, got the word right in it. -KD ......................... vet Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:26 pm Last edited Feb 26, 2009, 8:32 pm by Kime Dennory

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 For the record; I don't consider myself to be particularly sensitive. In fact, I think I've allowed more things than I should to roll off of my back throughout my lifetime. The comments made by Lord Foul which prompted my retort were simply unnecessary to the thread and were destructive to the conversation as a whole. ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:26 pm

t0rp0r Death Unlimited Autodueller Renegade Group: Storytellers Posts: 410 Joined: Apr 1, 2008 Dr Mathias said: Agreed, its hard to even know how to accommodate people when new players and vets are in the same event. Maybe we should have two leagues, a minor and a pro. If a vet enrolls in a minor league event it drops their fame. I was thinking this actually might be a great alternative to (or compliment to) adding more pro events - what if the pro leagues require you to have your own car (like current pro events) but have much bigger rewards and run concurrent with the "amateur" leagues? OK, this goes way off the topic of carebears and Nazis, so I humbly unhijack the thread and return it to its rightful owners. ......................... vet wv zom Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:31 pm

Lord Foul .-^-HellRazors-^. Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Rules Council Posts: 3,543 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 PT/Lugal, my post was in jest of yours defending Sam when it really was not needed. “Alo and I” <--- had comments like we owe Sam the respect and kindness of not putting him in a trap. In my opinion I found them silly and unnecessary as it’s obvious we both respect Sam and would hug him in a manly way if we met, so I posted a silly comment back. If you both were “offended” by it I’m sorry. This is a game after all and people should not be taking things to seriously from comments posted in a game thread. Lets move on like this never happened. Be cool. ......................... vet race1 deathrce1 wv zom circuit1 pvp1 northernsummer community circuit3 paintball55,204,126 Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:52 pm Last edited Feb 27, 2009, 1:44 am by Lord Foul

*Lugal* Luna Sea Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 2,246 Joined: Jan 27, 2008 Lord Foul said: This is a game after all and people should not be taking things to seriously from comments posted in a game thread. Heh, if you'd done that in the first place we'd not be having this talk.  Lord Foul said: Lets move on like this never happened. Like what happened?  The King of Swamp Castle said: This is suppose to be a happy occasion!  Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. EDIT: Re: Godwin.  I hadn't heard of that before.  That. Is. Awesome. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Feb 27, 2009, 12:49 am Last edited Feb 27, 2009, 12:50 am by Lugal

The Paranoid Tourist Precipitous Treachery Darkwind Guru Slavers Faction Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: Jan 12, 2007 I apologize if I read too far into any of the posts made by you or anyone else, Lord Foul. The detriment of online threads is the difficulty of determining another's tone of voice when reading what they've written. Sarcasm is prevalent in society, but it's sometimes hard to pick up in a post. I am very much ready to move on. I feel like I've done more posting than playing these last few days. Which, considering the losses my gang has taken recently, may not be all bad. ......................... vet gateautumn gwextrav raceL1 wv e2g0,2,0 Posted Feb 27, 2009, 4:28 am

*Grograt* Grograts Gonads Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals Posts: 8,377 Joined: Oct 5, 2008 anyway what was we talking about ......................... vet marshal wv community Posted Feb 27, 2009, 9:19 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Heh. Just for the record, I wasn't offended by the negative comments. They weren't done in a rude way, they were simply a statement that you didn't like the new rules. I know very well that it's impossible to please everyone all of the time! ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Feb 27, 2009, 10:49 am

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