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*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 *Ninesticks* said: The question isn't what else he could have done in fairness Longo - it is whether the escape system worked as Sam intended. There are lots of other things he could have done but that isn't relevant. If he should have been able to click the character and escape and that wasn't available having being informed it should have been that pretty much settles the matter from my point of view. Nobody can tell what he was thinking and doing at his keyboard - that is pretty much a pointless avenue of discussion. If he couldn't do what he should have been able to do then logically and morally he is entitled to the benefit then he should receive the benefit of the doubt. Let me be clear just in case anyone is in doubt, I would be arguing this point no matter who it had happened to or what team they are on - it is simply fair and reasonable. This was known about for a month, as you have stated. So why was it not addressed or challenged until Darth loses a guy? Im all for it to work as discussed, but it doesnt, and has worked the other way for over a month, with several town hall discussions where it wasnt challenged or addressed or even brought up. So now we are going to address it and resurrect Darth's guy because he died and he complained? He could have saved his guy but was more worried about saving his buzzer and died.  ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 8:28 am Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 8:36 am by *Longo*

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 *Longo* said: *The X Man* said: *Dark Tempest* said: Darth had many, many chances to escape his ganger once it became clear no further effective action was possible. Doesn't matter how many chances he had, but its when he tried, it didn't work. Thats why I posted what sam said about it because it was to be immediate, even while inside the vehicle. Well then Sam has to give back everyone’s gangers who have died since the camp wars began. I’d also Like all of mine back that have been killed in pvp since I started playing. i lost a couple in one of Ifflers cars... but to be fair he didn't know he should have been able to escape them and logged off without trying - so i cant think of any reason why i should have them back. As a result i have never known whether the thing worked or not. My understanding was that you can escape at any point - and i don't remember anyone ever saying that this would not operate if a ganger was incapacitated. As nine said if it is working as intended lets just make that clear. If it isn't then it is a bug... and this game has always fixed through the return of characters. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 8:50 am Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 8:54 am by *goat starer*

*goat starer* Special Circumstances Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Contributors Posts: 10,908 Joined: Oct 29, 2007 Valiance said: It is amazing, as an outsider, how much PvP does not look like fun. :-) You seem to get so much enjoyment out of telling other people who are having fun that the things they are having fun at are not fun. I can't see how posting the same thing thousands of times into every discussion about PVP on the forum and the lobby is fun - but you clearly enjoy it . I guess fun is subjective. ......................... vet wv zom pvp4 cont community deathrceL1 marshal pvp3 pvp2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 8:56 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 if this was meant to be fun its not working, go into a battle not knowing the odds, thinking this should be fun only to be outmatched in cr fight as hard as possible, have all mortars targeted on you, and when finally ko'd cant escape, playing for what? a recruitment bonus owe sweet, now once i get a guy 700 more lleader points i can finally hire because i wont be over lmit, or more mech training lol my mechs are capped, dont be surprized after smoking out joel i walk away give goat my lands, you guys play this system its not for me, i dont find it fun being held back because we want everyone to play. no thanks. find another guinnie pig. i couldnt care lesss if i get guy back, keep him dead i really dont give a ####. things were said to be in play, characters we could hire for cap combats? working out kinks, insisting on 750 limit, recourses?, no lets just rush it out and hope it works, i dont have the answers , not pissed he died pisssed he was intentionally fired on, after incopasitated, it thats how we want to play i look forward to playing that way with everyone. even tho i could have fired on them but didnt in past. dont bitch at me when i start redding people. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 9:39 am Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 10:56 am by darthspanky

*Longo* Longos Merry Men Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 6,670 Joined: Dec 15, 2007 darthspanky said: if this was meant to be fun its not working, go into a battle not knowing the odds, thinking this should be fun only to be outmatched in cr fight as hard as possible, have all mortars targeted on you, and when finally ko'd cant escape, playing for what? a recruitment bonus owe sweet, now once i get a guy 700 more lleader points i can finally hire because i wont be over  lmit, dont be surprized after smoking out joel i walk away give goat my lands, you guys play this system its not for me, i dont find it fun being held back because we want everyone to play. no thanks. find another guinnie pig. The CR was known before the fight for each side, it’s an approximate within 500 CR. I guess if you have angered/backstabbed/screwed over the majority of the 9 gangs you faced, most of their guns would be targeted on you. And guess what? They were. I posted in the forums before that your evil ways would catch up to you, and they have finally. Your sins have far exceeded any chance of gaining entry into the Church of Longo, but maybe someone will take you in as a follower if you started being...nicer. ......................... vet combatL1 ped1 paintladder semiprocombat ped2 wv pvp4 pvp1 gwped paintball pvp3 pvp5 slay2013 marshal circuit2 combat1 e2g raceL1 gwextrav gateautumn pvp2 triangle1 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 9:58 am

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 longo go #### yourself, you will never know how glad im not part of your little group of players. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 10:05 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 darthspanky said: whats the point of having gangers be allowed to escape, only to try it and it not works Were they at zero activity? a couple of people asked me about this one, and it's a good point - we probably should let you escape them even in that case, I think.  Anyone agree/disagree?  I'm happy to apply this retrospectively to yesterday's combat (and resurrect a couple) if so. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 10:56 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *The X Man* said: My understanding was anytime and under any condition, this escape feature would remove your character safely. So this will be brought to Sam's attention for review. After that, we all need to revisit this issue and come to a consensus on the specific conditions that allow the instant escape to work. This is a good point too - it's reasonable that people expected it to apply to unconscious characters; so even if we decide to continue to not allow it, I do need to show leniency to past battles. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 10:58 am

*HarryRed* Harrys Hippos Racer Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 139 Joined: May 3, 2009 That battle could have been won if darth turned his buzzers the right way. all our guns were on the fire engines and there was nothing defending the mortars over the hill. If darth had run his buzzers at the mortars theres nothing we would have been able to do. But instead he floundered about in perfect mortar range not getting a single shot off. I get that it's easier in terms of honor to say that the battle was a foregone conclusion and it was unbalanced CR and thats why you lost but if anyone goes back and looks at the recording you will see loads of oppurtunities to win that werent taken due to poor decision making. ......................... vet wv gwextrav combatL1 marshal Posted Jun 15, 2020, 11:04 am

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 I honestly can't say what the precise intention of the rule was, other than to reduce ganger risk.  I did not intentionally apply it only to conscious characters - this was however a side-effect of where I wrote the code (that is, as an addition to the 'exit vehicle' code).  I wrote a heck of a lot of code in a short time to get all this stuff implemented.. loopholes and unintended stuff are to be expected. Regarding unintended stuff... we need to have a serious talk about camp fame gains from these. As it stands, one big victory and you can become untouchable and steamroll your opposition thereafter. Voice call this week, methinks... ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 11:05 am Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 11:07 am by *sam*

*sam* The Salthill Sluggerz Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Lead Developer Posts: 16,782 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 *goat starer* said: Valiance said: It is amazing, as an outsider, how much PvP does not look like fun. :-) You seem to get so much enjoyment out of telling other people who are having fun that the things they are having fun at are not fun. I can't see how posting the same thing thousands of times into every discussion about PVP on the forum and the lobby is fun - but you clearly enjoy it . I guess fun is subjective. +1 The battle was great fun. There are kinks to work out. It's unfortunate that things can get argumentative, but we've done a good job so far of overcoming things and being friends again. Hopefully that will continue. Personally, I have become more friendly with almost everyone involved in this new system, and my opinion of them has increased. ......................... marshal vet deathrce1 paintladder combat1 wv ped1 cont slay2013 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 11:10 am Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 11:11 am by *sam*

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 I can't seem to make quotes work... SAM said.... Regarding unintended stuff... we need to have a serious talk about camp fame gains from these. As it stands, one big victory and you can become untouchable and steamroll your opposition thereafter. My reply is: This fame gain is also likely to never be repeated in the future as killing gangers with James "T" Kirks stats and darths gang rep/fame will be extremely rare. If darth and X were able to escape their gangers following the turn they were KO'ed is the fame gain as extreme? EDITs: Quotes are hard.... ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 11:51 am Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 11:54 am by *Dark Tempest*

Bigbadgreen86 Rabid Groundhogs Sunday Driver Mutants Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 47 Joined: Oct 3, 2015 *HarryRed* said: That battle could have been won if darth turned his buzzers the right way. all our guns were on the fire engines and there was nothing defending the mortars over the hill. If darth had run his buzzers at the mortars theres nothing we would have been able to do. But instead he floundered about in perfect mortar range not getting a single shot off. I get that it's easier in terms of honor to say that the battle was a foregone conclusion and it was unbalanced CR and thats why you lost but if anyone goes back and looks at the recording you will see loads of oppurtunities to win that werent taken due to poor decision making. Agreed.  Nothing against Spanky but that is what I saw. ......................... vet wv paintball ped1 paintladder pvp5 northernsummer gwped combatL1 ped2 e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 race1 circuit2 triangle1 circuit1 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 12:07 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 you shouldnt get anything from killing gangers like ive repeatedly said, makes people fake war for fame and why spend 7 mil buying sposorships for fame when you could just red someone, paid friend or enemy. i did see the opportunity, but saw the side group flanking the flag, shot them multiple times, went tor them thinking if i could stop them we might be able to hold out for more time controlling flag and for enouph time to win then bolt, thought speed could get me out of mortar range, but they got me. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 12:08 pm Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 12:15 pm by darthspanky

Bigbadgreen86 Rabid Groundhogs Sunday Driver Mutants Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 47 Joined: Oct 3, 2015 *sam* said: darthspanky said: whats the point of having gangers be allowed to escape, only to try it and it not works Were they at zero activity? a couple of people asked me about this one, and it's a good point - we probably should let you escape them even in that case, I think.  Anyone agree/disagree?  I'm happy to apply this retrospectively to yesterday's combat (and resurrect a couple) if so. A bit of a slippery slope but why would an ko'ed ganger be able to escape under any circumstances?  Thought this game was all about risk and reward and I seem to recall something called permadeath.  #Mayhem ......................... vet wv paintball ped1 paintladder pvp5 northernsummer gwped combatL1 ped2 e2g raceL1 deathrceL1 race1 circuit2 triangle1 circuit1 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 12:11 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 *Longo* said: *Ninesticks* said: The question isn't what else he could have done in fairness Longo - it is whether the escape system worked as Sam intended. There are lots of other things he could have done but that isn't relevant. If he should have been able to click the character and escape and that wasn't available having being informed it should have been that pretty much settles the matter from my point of view. Nobody can tell what he was thinking and doing at his keyboard - that is pretty much a pointless avenue of discussion. If he couldn't do what he should have been able to do then logically and morally he is entitled to the benefit then he should receive the benefit of the doubt. Let me be clear just in case anyone is in doubt, I would be arguing this point no matter who it had happened to or what team they are on - it is simply fair and reasonable. This was known about for a month, as you have stated. So why was it not addressed or challenged until Darth loses a guy? Im all for it to work as discussed, but it doesnt, and has worked the other way for over a month, with several town hall discussions where it wasnt challenged or addressed or even brought up. So now we are going to address it and resurrect Darth's guy because he died and he complained? He could have saved his guy but was more worried about saving his buzzer and died.  Yes, it would have been nice had it been flagged and addressed but it wasn't. If it had and Darth was trying to escape his crew then his ganger would be alive and happy back wherever he came from. Are you suggesting that this shouldn't be the position he is put in because the bug hadn't been recognised and addressed? I appreciate things are a little tense but that doesn't seem particularly reasonable. I appreciate you want to apply an intention to his actions, but you simply don't know. Darth has stated he was trying to escape his character but couldn't. If I were in his place I wouldn't put a buzzer above the life of a highly skilled ganger - and nor would many people here (apart from a few complete daredevils) - so in balance I don't really think that it is all that likely. Weighing things up it all seems relatively straight forward to me - which is why you don't seem puzzling. I imagine you don't agree perhaps because it lessens your victory or bragging rights or whatever - but that shouldn't be the basis we use for making a choice is it? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 12:26 pm Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 12:28 pm by *Ninesticks*

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 by all means keep him dead i dont care, but dont see much reward part only risk and its not worth it, imo. one last rant then you can all f yourselves. wanted to help andrew give him a mackenzie for competing in races that earn my camp fame. he comes to me yesterday saying longo/joel insist he doesnt race for me, in coe, they dont want competition, so they can earn easy fame for their camp and win best prizes new players have no chance of winning, but really guys hes good racer probly better than that me and he looks up to you guys, for reasons ill never understand, i dont want players like that in my camp, so eagar to be a part of this camp war stuff he lets you bully him to quit racing for me, so andrew your out good luck buddie. but your running with assholes imo. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 12:35 pm Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 1:26 pm by darthspanky

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 So now we are going to discuss pvp fame bonus in this messy topic. Why not ...it actually is playing on my mind at the same time. Now i heard the embassy only lost...i forget exact number but like 60(?) Fame. Anyway that was less fame lost than a camp david battle where a single buccy was totalled(with no blue text!). I dont know how that was possible... so can we retro that too... that is a ridiculous comparison. This is a slippery slope as nine is asking for retro res from 3 weeks ago...hes probably right if captain kirk lives. The tertiary damage from some of the stuff about to get sam's Deus EX Machina....cannot be deus ex machina'd Darth has admitted he simply intends to troll camp wars right in this thread! This is not some scout where a player had a bpu dance and cries sam please fix my stuff. Its pvp its not so simple. Our side shot ..in some cases way too long at some vehicles since gangers are still inside(in vault battles esp) that is also a factor that cannot be retconed. You cannot take away darths new hate for everyone now either. This is a mess he could have avoided many many ways. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 1:13 pm Last edited Jun 15, 2020, 1:17 pm by Joel Autobaun

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 darthspanky said: by all means keep him dead i dont care, but dont see much reward part only risk and its not worth it, imo. one last rant then you can all f yourselves. wanted to help andrew give him a mackenzie for competing in races that earn my camp fame. he comes to me yesterday saying longo/joel insist he doesnt race for me, in coe, they dont want competition, so they can earn easy fame for their camp and win best prizes new players have no chance of winning, but really guys hes good racer probly better than that me and he looks up to you guys, for reasons ill never understand, i dont want players like that in my camp, so eagar to be a part of this camp war stuff he lets you bully him to quit racing for me, so andrew your out good luck buddie.  ut your running with assholes imo. We just told him you are a bad boss.  Im glad you just confirmed it. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,99,31 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 1:20 pm

darthspanky McSPANKYS LOLLIPOP GANSTAS Darkwind Guru Anarchists Faction Group: Subscribers Posts: 4,027 Joined: Jul 29, 2007 i guesss if being a bad boss means training his guys to 100 scout and mech, giving him a makenzie for earning 15 fame im guilty but at least im not telling him who he can race for. ......................... vet paintball wv1,0,2 Posted Jun 15, 2020, 1:28 pm

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