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ATG/CC apatchi builds

Groove Champion The Groove Champions Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 4,813 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Ironically the ATG is worth more on the NPC market than the CC. ......................... vet combatL1 wv cont0,5,0 Posted Jul 15, 2010, 5:52 pm

johnny go rancid Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 1,438 Joined: Mar 24, 2010 interesting, i amused the cc did alot more damage , hummmmm ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 15, 2010, 6:31 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 I know it does more "piercing damage", or internals through armor. Straight armor damage I don't know if there is a big difference. Splash is where the ATG really shines over the CC, if you like that sort of thing. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jul 16, 2010, 6:39 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 ATG damage 5 - 6, CC damage, 7 - 8. I'd honestly take a HMG over the ATG anyday. ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 16, 2010, 7:12 am

LoSboccacc Omnia vincit armor Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: Feb 23, 2010 *Dark Tempest* said: CC is around 40m more range with 50 skill gunners, which is huge. They are worth every penny more than an ATG, if you have those 50+ gunners to use them with. well, as usual it boils down on how you want to play. for a line fight that 50mt sure are gold, but I prefer to make the enemy chase my landrunner and sneak the cc car on their back. the same with the atg windy, flanking with an atg car is quite unusual but pretty darn effective as you can open pretty much anything in a couple of rear shot, stressing them so much they won't hit anything again for a week. at that point blank ranges, the cc is just expensive, so it's just too risky to use it on short range engagements. I was also thinking it as a 'going to be wasted car' but it has come back so far from any engagement, even some very brutal ones, by luck and running screaming while on fire - they can't catch you if you're burning*! [quote stolen from http://drmcninja.com/comics/2006-08-234p15.gif] edit: FF, where are you getting that numbers? the wiki disagrees so I'd like to see your sources (and fix the wiki) ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 16, 2010, 7:20 am Last edited Jul 16, 2010, 7:21 am by LoSboccacc

phax Fathers of the Confederacy Racer Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: Feb 11, 2010 I only use the ATG for novelty builds. Anything serious packs CCs. ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 16, 2010, 7:31 am

FireFly Anarcho-Pumpkin Privateers Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Members Posts: 5,468 Joined: Mar 3, 2008 Are screenshots a reliable source? Just did a test in TAC, and after 5 shots, well, the CC hit the left, the ATG the right, look for yourselves. All the ATG has is a larger splash, large enough to damage one of the ospreys at one point, but other than that, with the HORRIBLE range, well, point proven? ......................... vet wv zom gateautumn deathrceL1 elmsautumn pvp1 pvp2 sssc raceL1 e2g combatL1 santa1 pvp3 gwextrav ww circuit32,18,0 Posted Jul 16, 2010, 7:57 am

*Wolfsbane* Arbiters Darkwind Guru Badlands Truckstop Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,038 Joined: Oct 9, 2009 As I say, I wouldn't use one now I have good gunners. I still think they're good for training and parcticing - the spash helps there too. Plus they're fun! I need to go fit a couple to a permadamaged apache... ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 cont Posted Jul 16, 2010, 8:56 am

*Ayjona* Edgerunners Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 515 Joined: Dec 6, 2006 *Dark Tempest* said: Straight armor damage I don't know if there is a big difference. CCs and ATGs are incomparable. It doesn't really show in their stats, but CCs are superior in just about every aspect (even splash, since their splash actually inflicts good damage, even if it is smaller), which is why ATGs are almost never used. Tank Guns, THAT is where the true fun begins...  ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jul 16, 2010, 1:40 pm

Aristazibal Violet Menace Racer Renegade Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: Mar 8, 2008 This is just my opinion, but I think that the real value in both of these weapons is disruption. Sure they do lots of damage, but when you're line-fighting being able to disrupt the path of the NPCs makes a HUGE difference. Hit them in the front end with a CC or ATG, and they lose their LOS on you pretty quick . That might seem obvious, but to me it's the biggest reason CCs are better than ATGs. Because the range is so much better, you start disrupting the enemy advance much earlier and therefore don't take as much damage (assuming, of course, that you have half-decent gunners). To me, this is the DW equivalent of putting your hand on your little brothers head while he swings wildly at the air in front of you. The longer your arms are, the more successful you'll be. ......................... vet wv Posted Jul 19, 2010, 1:52 pm Last edited Jul 19, 2010, 1:53 pm by Aristazibal

*Rezeak* The Dark Knights Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,377 Joined: Aug 8, 2009 I used CC/HGG on an apache that I had in badlands, to combat the recoil I used C armour! yes! C armour! worked a charm... until it got ambushed. *Ayjona* said: Tank Guns, THAT is where the true fun begins...  Trash Truck + twin TGs + Rapidfire = Subcompacts flying over mountains ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom pvp3 Posted Jul 19, 2010, 4:52 pm

Joel Autobaun Joels Bastards Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Sinbinned Posts: 4,598 Joined: Nov 10, 2008 I use a BPU called "Sars Enforcer" to hunt merchants(very occasionally) in sars along with a apache or LR with GGs and CRs. The BPU has X2 ATG front and HRR on sides. It can slay any escort vehicle merchants have, in two turns. The splash damage gives a good downpayment on any nearby cars and coupled with a mortar vehicle its really nice to have the big splash damage. It takes one turn (or less - split fire the atg on two merchant carriers) to breach a carrier( lorry or van or anything) and then the landy/apache can make sure of passengers with GG and CR. Occasionally will bring flechette as a side mount on apache. Basically range is less of a problem because you want to charge their escort so you don't let the carriers get away, that's why ATG over CC. HRR are for boosting the cr and knocking anything that makes it past the dual ATG, into the Sars canyon. Best of all this ride is funfunfun to play with. ......................... vet northernsummer deathrce1 raceL1 deathrceL1 ww ped1 sssc paintball semiprocombat ped2 e2g gwextrav gwped combat1 paintladder elmsautumn gateautumn wv race1 combatL1 pvp1 pvp5 pvp4 zom pvp3 circuit1 pvp2 circuit2 circuit3 ss2fl67 slay2013 storm2013 geek triangle198,98,31 Posted Jul 19, 2010, 10:35 pm Last edited Jul 19, 2010, 10:37 pm by Joel Autobaun

*Ayjona* Edgerunners Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 515 Joined: Dec 6, 2006 *Rezeak* said: Trash Truck + twin TGs + Rapidfire = Subcompacts flying over mountains It's the little things that make life in the wastelands bearable. ......................... vet marshal wv Posted Jul 21, 2010, 12:58 am

d0dger an0maly Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Members Posts: 2,492 Joined: Jan 24, 2010 FireFly said: The Crazy Experimental LineLander of Doom Only 2 Crewmen, Sure, 1 reload per gun, should be enough right, with that you can barely squeeze in a 3.2l, I'd say go for a V8, but with reloads it wont even fit. Optional is a 2l rotary, for 3 crewmen. Either way, It packs some nasty punch As for ATG/CC Apache... have fun flying backwards, I remember when mike tried double ATG ones, he nearly got us all killed with their recoiling madness  This setup works great in a BPU, 4L or V8, 3 crew plenty of reloads. Nasty firepower that basically never lets the enemy get to you. ......................... vet wv combat1 combatL1 paintladder pvp5 sssc deathrceL1 pvp4 zom race1 semiprocombat deathrce1 raceL1 pvp3 pvp2 ww pvp1 paintball santa2 gwped4,16,10 Posted Jul 21, 2010, 6:26 pm

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 I was going to ask what good BL BPU builds are, thanks d0dger! Does anyone have a HCR in BL I could buy off you? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jul 21, 2010, 11:29 pm

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Unless you plan to take an ammo wagon watch out for reload space with an HCR/CC combo on a BPU. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 1:00 am

*Dark Tempest* The Black Legion Darkwind Guru Mutants Faction Group: Marshals Posts: 2,049 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 Thinking about that, will go with CC/RL until further notice. How about dual CC? ......................... vet wv marshal pvp2 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 1:07 am

*Ninesticks* The Wombles Darkwind Guru Renegade Group: Marshals + Rule Council Posts: 3,371 Joined: Apr 11, 2008 Much depends on whether you want side weapons or not. I normally match up a CC on a BPU with either CR, MMG or PG and then side weapons depending on how much ammo I may need. If you are running two or more you can drop some or all of the side weapons on one to give you a fighting ammo carrier for the other. ......................... vet wv marshal pvp4 community pvp20,1,0 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 1:34 am

*Bastille* Raging Scavengers Darkwind Guru Evan Reds Faction Group: Marshals + Contributors Posts: 7,513 Joined: Mar 31, 2009 Dual CCs is great for getting that BPU dance thing happening. A bit dangerous in my experience. ......................... marshal vet wv pvp4 zom cont pvp32,12,1 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 5:26 am

*Rezeak* The Dark Knights Darkwind Guru Deathrace Mafia Faction Group: Marshals + Storytellers Posts: 2,377 Joined: Aug 8, 2009 With all my BPUs, I either use HCR/CR - 4 reloads for each gun. (My personal favourite) Or CC/RL Or CC/HMG All have plenty of reloads ......................... vet wv deathrceL1 marshal pvp2 zom pvp3 Posted Jul 22, 2010, 5:51 am

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