Training form boost problem, Zero visible results in 2 weeks
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Lord Foul Posted May 8, 2009, 7:02 am |
Sam, can you please confirm that the training form boost is working correctly for my gang.
I was willing to let last week slide as a fluke, bad luck or the training boost had not kicked in yet. Unfortunately another training week has passed and I've had zero results from the gunnery training form boost that is supposed to be in effect for my gang. I currently have 29 characters in SS training in gunnery and I've seen no change in training form in any of those characters over the past 2 weeks. If they went up 1 point a month ago, they went up 1 point last week and 1 point this week. If they went up 5 points a month ago, they went up 5 points last week and 5 this week. The characters range from new to vets and there are plenty with gunnery as their primary skill. I find it hard to believe all my characters training in gunnery are not able to improve their training form with the boost. When I had the Driving boost 6 months ago I noticed immediate results in training each week. Thanks for checking. 
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*sam* Posted May 11, 2009, 12:21 pm |
I can't check easily as these boosts get rolled up into random calculations. However, what I'll do is add a specific line to the training script so it logs boosts that are being taken into account.
Let me know if you're still suspicious after Friday and I'll check the log. |
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lordbam Posted May 11, 2009, 12:30 pm |
I noticed slow gaining too...
Chars going up 1 points or even none in a week of training in the training center. This is with a LVL3 motivator in town that levels 4-5 points a week. I have a feeling the motivator only motivates himself. |
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*sam* Posted May 11, 2009, 12:33 pm |
I have added motivator logging too, lordbam.
That's definitely not the case. The trouble with this stuff is it's being viewed through the lens of huge random factors and the delay mechanism built into the 'training form' and 'delta training form' calcs.. it's like trying to guess how high a hill is based on how rapidly the slope is changing. |
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Lord Foul Posted May 15, 2009, 7:52 am |
Still no change Sam, if there's a Form boost being given I'm not seeing it this time around on any of my guys. More evidence in my favor is that 27 of the 29 characters training in gunnery have not done any travels/scouts in 4 weeks, so I know they have been in town for the past 3 weeks training at all times and some are on Neo as well. Yet no visible change in training form from a month ago.
One theory I have is that last time when I had the driver training boost I did not have my level 3 Motivator in town and the boost worked perfectly. This time around I do have the level 3 in town and I wonder if the higher level motivator is overriding the training form boost? In any case, let me know if you see anything. Thanks
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lordbam Posted May 15, 2009, 8:25 am |
My SS gangers gained an average of 1.3 this week.
This is with 30 hours of traveling, and a lvl3 motivator. My BL gangers gained an average of 0.7. This is however without a motivator. This has been going on for a couple of weeks now. From what i remember they used to level faster. |
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Lord Foul Posted May 22, 2009, 7:12 am |
Week 4 has passed with no visible change with the addition of the training form boost.
I have guys in Badlands gaining more points in gunnery each Firday morning from weekly training than I do in SS. Example. A guy in Badlands went up 3 points in gunnery this morning and he scouted all last week and has no motivator, training center, neo drugs or training form boost. I have guys in SS that have stayed in town for 5 weeks with not scouts or travels that get 4 training bonuses; Level 3 motivator Training Center Neo Drugs Training form boost and gain 3 points. I beginning to wonder if the system is actually doing all the training checks. |
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*sam* Posted May 22, 2009, 12:24 pm |
LF - here's what today's training log says about your gang (ID 6655):
Gang 6655 - training form in town 1 boosted by level 3 motivator character 78777: training form boosted by sponsor character 80233: training form boosted by sponsor character 88237: training form boosted by sponsor character 88265: training form boosted by sponsor character 89372: training form boosted by sponsor character 89765: training form boosted by sponsor character 89766: training form boosted by sponsor character 91608: training form boosted by sponsor character 91934: training form boosted by sponsor character 93090: training form boosted by sponsor character 94901: training form boosted by sponsor character 94934: training form boosted by sponsor character 94939: training form boosted by sponsor character 102218: training form boosted by sponsor character 103170: training form boosted by sponsor character 149440: training form boosted by sponsor character 163862: training form boosted by sponsor character 179210: training form boosted by sponsor character 188890: training form boosted by sponsor character 200251: training form boosted by sponsor character 112011: training form boosted by sponsor character 236773: training form boosted by sponsor character 239795: training form boosted by sponsor character 215825: training form boosted by sponsor character 221579: training form boosted by sponsor character 226705: training form boosted by sponsor character 228604: training form boosted by sponsor character 68138: training form boosted by sponsor character 90257: training form boosted by sponsor character 234500: training form boosted by sponsor character 219658: training form boosted by sponsor character 239787: training form boosted by sponsor character 239806: training form boosted by sponsor character 239816: training form boosted by sponsor character 239825: training form boosted by sponsor character 243061: training form boosted by sponsor and here's the relevant bits of PHP code, which do the procesing: Code: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
$newTrainingForm = $trainingForm + $deltaTrainingForm; $deltaTrainingForm += (rand(-30,30)/100.0); if (isset($sponsorSkill[$trainingSkill])) { $newTrainingForm += 0.15; $deltaTrainingForm += 0.15; logDTxt("character {$pkc}: training form boosted by sponsor"); } if ($currentMotivatorLevel>0) { logDTxt("Gang {$row['FK_Gang']} - training form in town {$row['FK_Location']} boosted by level {$currentMotivatorLevel} motivator"); } $newTrainingForm += ($currentMotivatorLevel/20); if ($newTrainingForm>2) $newTrainingForm=2; else if ($newTrainingForm<0.4) $newTrainingForm=0.4; if ($deltaTrainingForm>1) $deltaTrainingForm=1; else if ($deltaTrainingForm<-1) $deltaTrainingForm=-1; It's all very simple, and the extra information in the training logs, as listed above, shows that the relevant boosts are indeed being applied. The fact remains that this is a big random factor: $deltaTrainingForm += (rand(-30,30)/100.0); and that characters will often get stuck in a rut (i.e. with $deltaTrainingForm negative and $newTrainingForm at 0.4) or on a high (i.e. with $deltaTrainingForm positive and $newTrainingForm at 2.0) motivators and sponsors affect the overall trend ina fairly subtle way which would take a fairly large sample size and sample period to actually discern clearly. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted May 22, 2009, 7:13 pm |
Well holy .... that ends that debate pretty much lol
I gotta say Sam is the bestest Dev ever for that kind of feedback. Bookmarking this post - still pretty rare to give us that kind of number crunching. I think I might have the Combat League locked up (yeah prolly cursed myself there), I have already changed almost everyone to training heavy guns in anticipation of next weeks glorious large guns sponsorship. I have several guys in *good* training form right now. Some already training lrg guns and some who were just killin at training other stuff. So I should be able to give some fairly accurate feedback next friday. We'll see if my experience is similar to Lord Foul. I probably will have to wait a few weeks to see a trend, so I will keep training them large guns over time(was my plan anyway). Incidentally I have one person only training with first aid(I have that sponsor) and her training FORM, has noticably improved over the last several weeks(game months). Edit: Don't see anything about the town bonus(SS-driving/cycling Sars-Mech) in there Sam...is that added in later that you didn't show us? (if so, that's cool don't show us). I could see why that would have nothing to do with training FORM, which is good. |
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Lord Foul Posted May 22, 2009, 10:40 pm |
Thanks for the effort Sam, guess most of my gang is in a Rut or just sucks at gunnery training. 
Dashed are my dreams of gangers going up more than 5 points in gunnery per week like it was with Driving. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted May 23, 2009, 1:29 am |
They will come around man, it's training FORM. it will take a few weeks and the benefits last even past your sponsorship. It's actually a huge deal in my opinion. |