Scripts v.234, Laprecords changes
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*sam* Posted Feb 25, 2009, 10:28 am |
This patch implements the laprecord changes that have been discussed at great length over the past week or two:
1. There are now three categories of lap record: all time, stock cars this calendar year, and pro cars this calendar year. 2. Stock cars are not allowed rocket boosters/nitros, while pro cars are allowed them. 3. The prize you get for setting a record is now heavily influenced by how long the previous record stood for. 4. Lap records may no longer be set in custom events. 5. The badges shown in the forum are now only for top records (not 2nd and 3rd) and represent the 3 new categories. Note that forum badges are recalculated once per day. The next refresh of the stock/pro records will be scheduled for Jan 1st, 2010. Right now they're all empty.... |
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The Paranoid Tourist Posted Feb 25, 2009, 3:02 pm |
A clarification question or two, if you don't mind:
Will the all-time records be kept or reset as per the discussion at the end of this game year? Since these were set using custom events and/or boosters, I suppose the jury may be still out on that. Also, I see that the all-time records are lumped. Are there any plans to separate them into stock/pro as well? |
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*sam* Posted Feb 25, 2009, 4:04 pm |
All-time records will be kept permanently.
No |
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The Paranoid Tourist Posted Feb 25, 2009, 4:29 pm |
On the former: I only ask because there had been talk of resetting those records. Of course, if all-time records will always include "pro" vehicles, then there's really no reason to reset them. I do wish that they were split up and that the old records were added to the pro all-time records, though. |
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4saken Posted Feb 25, 2009, 5:03 pm |
while i am not 100% in favor of this (as the all-time records were mostly set this way) i can live with it and just try for the yearly records. also while not "true to life" per se, this will make more people involved in racing, i would imagine. anything that puts more players in a town event is a good thing, IMO. time for some racing action! |
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Alocalypse Posted Feb 25, 2009, 5:28 pm |
For once I'm totally unhappy with a patch :P | ||||||
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 25, 2009, 5:39 pm |
pretty orange medals there Alo, whats wrong with the new patch then 
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Lord Foul Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:01 pm |
Agreed, not happy at all. The poll was still warm and valid points were made by both sides and people were changing their minds as arguments were presented. There were not enough votes to simply take them away. Odd that something that was not bugged, not giving someone an advantage over another or hurting the community in any way is taken away. This was something that multiple people enjoyed doing on their own time. |
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Lord Foul Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:25 pm |
Sam, could you allow me or anyone else to respec my mech that has the engine tuner spec.. Now that custom events are not allowed, I have no further use of that spec.
A major change like this should allow a player to respec a character that has specs that they no longer need. Thanks 
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xander Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:40 pm |
Well the vote is 10 to 12, if you count alo voted wrong (that noob) and lugal wanting to change vote, it would be 12 to 10. | ||||||
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Dr Mathias Posted Feb 25, 2009, 11:44 pm |
I haven't piped in on this whole debate since I'm not a racer. I had one 3rd place and that was by accident
As for respec, perhaps engine tuner should apply to any cars the gang drives, including stock track-owned cars. Seriously- if we can modify armor, tyre pressure, suspension, then why couldn't a mech tinker with what's under the hood? |
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darthspanky Posted Feb 26, 2009, 12:21 am |
should even be used in the wilderness so my lv 6 tuner can actually do something at camp with the specs | ||||||
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*Lugal* Posted Feb 26, 2009, 2:32 am |
Come now, this is a step in the right direction, and nothing is set in stone. Sam asked for feedback to weigh against how he felt on the issues, and he went ahead and patched it. This - and everything else - is still up for debate, and Sam takes what we say into consideration. I'm still pushing to open up custom events, and I'm optimistic. You guys know it's just him coding this stuff; we owe him at least the respect of not putting him into a "patched too soon / updated too slow", damned if you do/damned if you don't trap. |
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Seiler Posted Feb 26, 2009, 2:50 am |
I think it should DEFINITELY apply to engines in wilderness encounters. Why wouldn't the gang actually tune the engines of their fighting vehicles if they had that ability? And I also believe that custom events should be allowed for the setting of Custom and All Time Records, just not stock ones. |
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The Paranoid Tourist Posted Feb 26, 2009, 4:10 am |
I agree entirely with both of these statements. The former simply out of kindness and the latter because it seems like a fair and legit compromise. |
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Lord Foul Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:40 am |
Lol, it's getting a little deep in here Lugal and PT.
Me an Alo show our appreciation to Sam when we see a patch we like and we can just as easily show dislike if we so wish. Me and Alo have great respect for Sam and he knows it, otherwise we would not have stayed here so long to support him. Me and Alo and probably others dislike the patch, but we will still go forward with what Sam wants for the game. (Hands Lugal and PT some tissue to wipe their noses) 
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*sam* Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:28 am |
I didn't think it was bugged either, but the fact was that several players wanted custom events removed from records, therefore a vote seemed like the fairest way. I can very easily revert the change, of course. RE the engine tuner spec. - I could certainly make that apply to stock cars too, although it would be unlevelling the playing field somewhat. It's still currently useful for pro. events and the records you can set in them. |
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Alocalypse Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:59 am |
On engine tuner:
I think it should only apply if the mechanic is in the car (its not realistic, but it would make the option to add co-drivers more useful and add more strategy: do I put in a nitro or leave room for an engine tuner passanger? Do I want to risk my engine tuner in a record attempt?) Also I totally agree with what Lord Foul said. |
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The Paranoid Tourist Posted Feb 26, 2009, 1:50 pm |
I believe what you meant to say was, "Alo and I." By the way, there's really no need for semi-masked insults in the thread, Lord Foul. I can already see that we wouldn't get along if we met in real life. You don't need to act cute with your posts. I believe the point that Lugal and I were making is that it's unfair to blame the person who is doing the work for the masses. In some cases Sam is the moderator and the messenger. As much as I respect the guy I did not side with him in this simply because he's Sam. No matter the debate or the result I can't blame Sam for doing what the majority wants and doing his best to implement that. Expressing displeasure toward one man for the decisions of the majority is unfair. |
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*Chase Bansi* JohnBMan033@aol.com Posted Feb 26, 2009, 3:08 pm |
Giving the records badges seems to be a good idea gone bad. Something else to separate the 'haves' from the 'have nots'.
As far as engine tuners in stock events it is a bad, BAD, idea. Although it would give the spec a use (I have one that has never been used) it would seriously alter competing in league events. Someone would dominate every event they enter. It wouldn't be long before we hear the calls for a nerf, so lets not even go there. |
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Dr Mathias Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:09 pm |
I think modifying stock cars at all was a bad, BAD, idea. I was following a logical conclusion and looking for consistency. If you can tweak chassis stuff, why not replace sparkplugs, adjust the timing belt, and switch filters? Would a referee be standing near by saying "Go ahead and switch the armor... yes sir those shocks are a little stiff, go ahead and replace them... remember that you can up the psi... a little welding here too should should do the trick. No, no you can't raise the hood, that's against our rules." This game is becoming very homogenized anyway. So what if I have a level 3 engine tuner. I get to use my jumpstarter in all events, should we take that out of stock events too, has that been unfair to those who don't have it? As usual I look at it from a logic/realism/story perspective. I don't always consider gameplay/homogenization of the playing field. |
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*Chase Bansi* JohnBMan033@aol.com Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:37 pm |
I would have to agree with you that it is 'logical'. I know I sure could use the help in league events. I suppose my thought is to keep it so new players still have a chance in league. As you allude to with driver skills that is already slanted in the vets favor. Perhaps events for noobs and vets are impossible to balance. | ||||||
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*Lugal* Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:40 pm |
Foul, don't insult me simply because I don't want this to become the standard WoW patch-day whine fest.
Your hystrionics are unbecoming. If anyone has criticism of a patch, it needs to be addressed appropriately. Simply posting, "FAIL" does not help at all. Really. |
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Alocalypse Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:52 pm |
I feel like we have discussed these specific things to death in the appropriate threads and there's not much more I have to say really because I already feel like a broken record on the subject.
If that was an insult then I think it was one of the more pathetic ones I've seen (With no offense to Lord Foul) and you people are beyond the usual touchy and carebear here and are headed off to nazi territori here... (I don't mean offense by this either, but I know you will be offended and I don't care, it needs to be said) |
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Marrkos Posted Feb 26, 2009, 5:59 pm |
Does this count as a "Godwin"? 
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*Lugal* Posted Feb 26, 2009, 6:12 pm |
I was going to say that I wasn't really insulted, more annoyed, but now I have to say that I'm simply confused. You, LF, and I were on the same side, arguing against PT. Both sides "discussed these specific things to death" as you say, and - imagine this - we came to an agreement. For this I - as well as whomever else "you people" refers to - get labeled "touchy and carebear"? Where did that come from? I don't even want to know from what stinky orafice you pulled out that Nazi reference, or even what you intended it for. Maybe you don't understand that the point of debate is to resolve a disagreement. It's really not to hear yourself speak (so to speak) and childishly taunt "the other guy." So now both you worked yourselves up into a foaming-at-the mouth-frenzy, and I'm sitting here wondering why. We sat at the same side, "won" the argument, and what? You can't handle it so you mock me? 
But please, don't think I'm actually upset. Bewildered and slightly bemused, though. |
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 26, 2009, 6:37 pm |
Oh it certainly does Markos , good call Godwin gets it right again 
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Dr Mathias Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:04 pm |
Agreed, its hard to even know how to accommodate people when new players and vets are in the same event. Maybe we should have two leagues, a minor and a pro. If a vet enrolls in a minor league event it drops their fame. Lets face it though, mmo's are not like chess. The playing field is never going to be level even though it would be best for everyone. |
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Alocalypse Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:21 pm |
To put it in more civil terms:
I think it's silly when people explicitly state how they're insulted/offended by some usually harmless remark that probably seems more serious because we lack the type of people who will just cuss you out and threaten to kill your family and so on (in all caps). I don't like to have to tiptoe and wonder whenever some remark will be vilified as an insult and inappropriate conduct. In my opinion things are civil enough and I fear that it would hurt discussions if people were less confrontational and afraid to say certain things in fear of hurting someone's feelings.
I protest that! I wasn't drawing a direct comparison to Hitler or nazis in that context, only using it in the sense of someone trying to apply overly and needlessly strict rules to something (like grammar nazi). |
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Kime Dennory Posted Feb 26, 2009, 8:26 pm |
How about make it work, but make it, say, a third as effective as working on your own car (since he has less time to do it). I have seen the effects of engine tuning in three, count them three, races ever. It was kind of neat though. And Alo: you make a nazi reference, you get godwinned. Grammar nazi is a nazi reference. It's, y'know, got the word right in it. -KD |
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The Paranoid Tourist Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:26 pm |
For the record; I don't consider myself to be particularly sensitive. In fact, I think I've allowed more things than I should to roll off of my back throughout my lifetime. The comments made by Lord Foul which prompted my retort were simply unnecessary to the thread and were destructive to the conversation as a whole. | ||||||
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t0rp0r Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:31 pm |
I was thinking this actually might be a great alternative to (or compliment to) adding more pro events - what if the pro leagues require you to have your own car (like current pro events) but have much bigger rewards and run concurrent with the "amateur" leagues? OK, this goes way off the topic of carebears and Nazis, so I humbly unhijack the thread and return it to its rightful owners.
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Lord Foul Posted Feb 26, 2009, 10:52 pm |
PT/Lugal, my post was in jest of yours defending Sam when it really was not needed. “Alo and I” <--- had comments like we owe Sam the respect and kindness of not putting him in a trap.
In my opinion I found them silly and unnecessary as it’s obvious we both respect Sam and would hug him in a manly way if we met, so I posted a silly comment back. If you both were “offended” by it I’m sorry. This is a game after all and people should not be taking things to seriously from comments posted in a game thread. Lets move on like this never happened. Be cool.
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*Lugal* Posted Feb 27, 2009, 12:49 am |
Heh, if you'd done that in the first place we'd not be having this talk.
Like what happened? 
EDIT: Re: Godwin. I hadn't heard of that before. That. Is. Awesome. |
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The Paranoid Tourist Posted Feb 27, 2009, 4:28 am |
I apologize if I read too far into any of the posts made by you or anyone else, Lord Foul. The detriment of online threads is the difficulty of determining another's tone of voice when reading what they've written. Sarcasm is prevalent in society, but it's sometimes hard to pick up in a post.
I am very much ready to move on. I feel like I've done more posting than playing these last few days. Which, considering the losses my gang has taken recently, may not be all bad. |
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Feb 27, 2009, 9:19 am |
    anyway what was we talking about
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*sam* Posted Feb 27, 2009, 10:49 am |
Heh. Just for the record, I wasn't offended by the negative comments. They weren't done in a rude way, they were simply a statement that you didn't like the new rules. I know very well that it's impossible to please everyone all of the time! |